Senators near a deal on background checks for most private gun sales

Washington Compost ^ | February 23, 2013 | Ed O'Keefe

[ConservativeInPA]

A bipartisan group of senators is on the verge of a deal that would expand background checks to all private firearms sales with limited exemptions, but significant disagreements remain on the issue of keeping records of private gun sales, according to aides familiar with the talks.

[Trod Upon]

Universal background checks followed by universal registration followed by an attempt at confiscation followed by open warfare.

[TigersEye]

The basic idea is that an environment in which minor crimes are ignored or tolerated is liable to become one in which more substantial criminality also thrives, ...

Today we face the opposite and IMO the consequences will be even worse. We have major laws and the Constitution itself being ignored and violated by the highest offices in the land. You say my gun has an illegal cosmetic feature? I say "I'm not shipping crates of guns to ultra-violent drug cartels in Mexico."

[Venturer]

A Bi-Partisan group of traitors disobeying their oath to support the Constitution.

[Venturer]

You trust the House?

I don’t.

I doin’t trust any one of those on Capitol hill.

[theBuckwheat]

Followed by open warfare?

Are we close to holding a Constitutional Convention yet, or are people still worried that a Convention will take away their RKBA? For my part, we still have at least on peaceful option left and we are obligated to discuss it. And know that the more serious the discussion about a Convention becomes and the more people join in, the more frantic it will make the left. And keep in mind that whatever a Convention passes must also be ratified by a super-majority of the surviving states.

A convention could also address the other defects and weaknesses in the Constitution that allow an EPA that has run amok, has allowed the seizure of private property for the benefit of corporate interests (like the Kelo decision), has lead to regulatory tyranny like the raid on Gibson Guitars over the wood it imports, and the conviction of a sea food importer for the horrible crime of shipping lobsters in a styrofoam container rather than a cardboard one. More important, we could stop the federal government from placing us all in debt-serfdom through infinite money printing and perpetual debt. And last but not least is the outrage of ObamaCare. It is time to redefine the federal government. The only issue is if this will be a peaceaful or a bloody process.

see also:

State resistance to rogue post-constitutional federal government: the last best hope
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=47194

A Bill Of Federalism
Randy E. Barnett, 05.20.09, 4:11 PM ET

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/20/bill-of-federalism-constitution-states-supreme-court-opinions-contributors-randy-barnett_print.html

[Texas Fossil]

I suggest that the Stupid A-Holes in DC simply make a trip to the nearest store in their home district that sells ammo. Look at the bare shelves, then ask the question, how do my constitutents feel about gun control.

Be forewarned, this is not a local issue. Nation wide the same thing has happened. It will not go away.

The MSM can forget this crap.....

POLs are all warned, we are watching and do not like what we see.

[i_robot73]

Boy, that will make my next biz venture quite lucrative....Teaching fellow Citizens how to mil their own gun parts, buy the rest and assemble them into whatever caliber they wish.

I will actively purchase a nice CNC mill, CAD the blueprints and pump out everything legally possible from blocks of nice, cheap aluminum. Hell, maybe even a 3D printer will work. ~$3k outlay for the CNC, I bet I could make my $ back in no time flat.

Come to Jax, FL and I will teach you how to use household tools to facilitate the assembly of any weapon you wish, no federal registration required.

[Texas Fossil]

“That Which Is Seen, and That Which Is Not Seen.”

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15962/15962-h/15962-h.htm

Search for: “The Broken Window”

Bastiat clearly understood before 1874 the consequences of socialism and part of that was the “Broken Window” concept.

[BerserkPatriot]

Not so fast – looks like the CommiePost has been doing a wee bit too much wishcasting:

Coburn: Senators still not close to deal on background checks http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284557-coburn-senators-still-not-close-to-deal-on-background-checks#comment-811167327 Coburn warned that any talk of registering gun owners would doom the effort. “There absolutely will not be record-keeping on legitimate, law-abiding gun-owners in this country,” he said. “And if they want to eliminate the benefits of actually trying to prevent the sales to people who are mentally ill and to criminals, all they have to do is create a record-keeping. And that will kill this bill. So if you really want to improve it, you have to eliminate the record-keeping.”

Of course, this doesn’t mean that we’re out of the woods, we all still need to keep up the pressure on those traitorous jackals…. Oh, did I say traitorous jackals?… I really meant that they are back stabbing traitorous jackals… yeah, that’s it.

[IncPen]

On March 4th, I am attending the Lincoln Day dinner here outside of Chicago. The keynote speaker is Rand Paul with Kirk also speaking. Talk about two ends of the spectrum. This may turn out to be a very interesting night

Shout Kirk down.

[Trod Upon]

Yes, I think it a distinct possibility in the face of a national confiscation effort. To me the only question is of scale. Perhaps it would take the form of sporadic, fruitless resistance as the last flames of liberty are snuffed. Perhaps it would spawn a conflagration the likes of which this land has not suffered in over a century. When people perceive their backs against the wall, there is really no telling what could happen. We are enduring a leftist political movement’s attempts to fundamentally alter the relationship between citizen and state, with utter contempt for the documents that create and define the nature of that relationship. It’s really quite extraordinary to see what is happening as the termites clamor for “just one more bite, just one more bite” from our nation’s trembling foundation. What can one say about those who admit their desired policy measures will not have the effects ostensibly intended, yet push ahead anyway? What are their ends?

[marktwain]

Not so fast – looks like the CommiePost has been doing a wee bit too much wishcasting:

Coburn: Senators still not close to deal on background checks http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284557-coburn-senators-still-not-close-to-deal-on-background-checks#comment-811167327 Coburn warned that any talk of registering gun owners would doom the effort. “There absolutely will not be record-keeping on legitimate, law-abiding gun-owners in this country,” he said. “And if they want to eliminate the benefits of actually trying to prevent the sales to people who are mentally ill and to criminals, all they have to do is create a record-keeping. And that will kill this bill. So if you really want to improve it, you have to eliminate the record-keeping.”

Yes, let us not throw Senator Coburn under the bus here. The "no record keeping" option will never be accepted by the Obama administration. If there is no record keeping, then the bill simply means an easy to check national database of proscribed purchasers. The left will never allow that, because they will scream that anyone will be able to use it, which would lead to "discrimination" of anybody with a record.

This could actually be useful to us, as Constitutionalists could claim "Why do we need 4473's and bound books, or the FBI instant check system, when anyone can check this database to be sure they are not selling to a prohibited purchaser?

It would also allow anyone to see if they were on the prohibited purchaser list, and would require an easily understandable method to have yourself taken off the list.

I think this is good political judo by Senator Coburn.

No record keeping, no universal background check. Works for me.