Posted on 02/24/2013 9:28:42 AM PST by Altura Ct.
I made a typo in that last message. It should be: “McCarthy made 7 speeches about PEARSON...”
His attack on Marshall was a policy criticism. Marshall’s policies were advancing Communism — not deliberately, in all probability, but that was the effect that they were having. Ditto Acheson.
Pearson was helping to spread Communist propaganda — again, not knowingly, probably, but that is what he was in fact doing.
Somehow, though, it’s wrong to say so?
Marshall, Acheson, and Truman all looked the other way.
TBP: Oh please stop! One does not use the word “conspiracy” (an illegal act) to describe a “policy” difference. “Conspiracy” refers to MOTIVES and INTENT.
You obviously have no serious knowledge about this period in our history. NO historian (not even McCarthy defenders such as Evans and Herman) denies that McCarthy thought Acheson and Marshall were sinister, evil beings consciously working to advance Communist objectives.
McCarthy’s heirs (the John Birch Society) certainly had no problem understanding what McCarthy meant. Which is why Robert Welch expanded his list of “traitors” to include President Eisenhower.
Again, one simple factual challenge for YOU:
QUOTE some historian (and yes feel free to use McCarthy admirers) who supports YOUR absurd theory that McCarthy was only referring to honest policy differences and that Acheson and Marshall were NOT “deliberately” advancing Communism.
IF you cannot or will not QUOTE an historian, then ADMIT you are full of crap!
TBP:
Incidentally, it would be VERY easy to select several of YOUR statements in this thread to “prove” that YOU were “advancing Communism” — perhaps “not deliberately...but that (is) the effect they were having.”
J. Edgar Hoover and senior FBI officials are on record numerous times (publicly) in speeches, books, and interviews and (privately) in FBI investigative files — where they discuss the objectives of the communist movement in the United States.
Communist Objective #1 (first and foremost) was to undermine public confidence in our national leaders and our institutions. Consequently, every time someone like yourself (and Sen. McCarthy) use language calculated to evoke suspicion, fear, disgust, contempt, and revulsion toward our national leaders (Truman, Acheson, Marshall, Eisenhower, etc.) that is PRECISELY what Communists wanted.
In July 1961, wire services and major newspapers in the U.S. reported comments made by former Soviet spy Anatoli Granovsky who was a Captain of Political Intelligence in the Ministry of State Security of the Soviet Union in 1945 and 1946. He previously was in the NKVD (Soviet Secret Police).
The John Birch Society was so impressed with Granovsky’s credentials that they chose to publish the paperback edition of Granovsky’s book in 1962 and the JBS sold it in their American Opinion bookstores. The hardback edition was published by the noted conservative book publisher, Henry Regnery.
Granovsky’s comment:
“The Soviet Communists would sacrifice a thousand American Communists to save the John Birch Society, for instance.
I don’t mean the Birch Society is Communist-infiltrated. It doesn’t have to be. By discrediting prominent Americans, it confuses the population about whom to trust. In socializing Czechoslovakia…we did everything to divide the armed forces units trained by the British and the Americans by spreading rumors about officers until they were so thoroughly discredited their men would not obey them and they had to be removed.”
Similarly, people like yourself who have no serious knowledge about the McCarthy period -— but who mindlessly parrot every falsehood and every politically-motivated accusation which McCarthy made -— can be said to be engaged in what amounts to a “seditious conspiracy” against the United States government.
McCarthy admirers often resort to the ploy evidenced in YOUR comments here. You PRETEND that McCarthy never made any grave errors. You euphemize and sanitize his accusations to the point where everything becomes nothing more than a “policy difference” — when EVERY WORD out of McCarthy’s mouth was focused upon what he thought were the MOTIVES and INTENTIONS of senior government officials -— which is why McCarthy began his speech about Marshall by declaring:
“How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this Government are concerting to deliver us to disaster?”
Don’t you understand the clear meaning of the word “concerting”??
It means “mutually contrived or agreed on”.
Please stop your pretense that you are a careful student of these matters and just admit you are an advocate for McCarthy and you have no interest whatsoever in ANY data if it contradicts what you presently believe.
Actually, no it wouldn’t. You know better than that.
No surprise in your reply. As previously stated, you are totally clueless and in denial about this entire period in our history. You are nothing more than a propagandist and like all propagandists you totally ignore all data which contradicts what you prefer to believe. Consequently, you have created a self-sealing circular argument which is impervious to FACTS.
As everyone reading this exchange can now see, you have no ability to QUOTE any reputable source (even including defenders and friends of McCarthy) who agree with your brain-dead premises and conclusions.
You even reject the explicit statements made by McCarthy where he describes his personal antipathy toward Acheson, Marshall, et al — and where he leaves no doubt whatsoever that he is discussing their MOTIVES and INTENTIONS — not “policy differences”.
This is why intellectually honest people cannot “discuss” or “debate” anything with people like you.
Even recent defenders of McCarthy (such as Arthur Herman and Medford Stanton Evans) who have spent many years carefully investigating primary source documentation (which is totally foreign to you!) — DO NOT agree with your statements!
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