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What we have now is American Caesarism, no longer the Rule of Law but the Rule of Man
The Evening Sun ^ | 02/22/2013 | Jason McNew

Posted on 02/24/2013 8:56:58 AM PST by Gennie

George Washington, a man much loved, was the father of our country. Frederick Nietzsche, a man much loathed, was a 19th century German philosopher who brazenly declared that "God is Dead."

While these two men could not have been more different, their descriptions of government were oddly similar. Washington compared government to fire; "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." (It cannot be proven conclusively that Washington himself originated this quote. However, it has been attributed to him for over a century and is in keeping with what he and the Founders said and wrote.)

Nietzsche groaned: "The state is the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it lies, too; and this lie creeps from its mouth: 'I, the state, am the people.'... Everything about it is false; it bites with stolen teeth." These observations by Nietzsche defy the romantic ideals laid forth by Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address: government of the people, by the people, for the people. Nobody ever said philosophy was easy.

While a safe and civilized society is not possible absent a properly empowered government, there is one lone fact which distinguishes government from all other human enterprises. Government is granted, by consent of the governed, the authority to utilize violence against citizens who break the law.

This singularity is shared by all forms of government; whether Democratic, Totalitarian, Feudal (rule by a noble class) or Theocratic (governed out of religious text.) Fail to pay taxes or send the children to school, and after the letters and telephone calls - eventually the authorities are going to kick the door down with guns drawn. The law is not voluntary, and it is the gun which puts the "force" in "enforcement." Government, while wholly indispensable, is also inherently dangerous.

Arguments about the proper size and role of government aside, I think most can agree that the foremost task of government is to ensure that the citizens are not deprived of life, not deprived of liberty, and not deprived of their (justly acquired) property. Marxists are free to disagree on the last point.

Looking back over the last forty or fifty centuries, governments in general have a very poor track record of protecting human rights. The 20th century was particularly atrocious in this regard - Bolshevism and Naziism produced in excess of 100 million human corpses. Human liberty is an exception - not the norm. We Americans take our freedom for granted.

A crucial feature of the American Constitution is a principle known as the Rule of Law. The Rule of Law requires that no one is exempt from the law, not the police or government officials, not the wealthy or celebrities, not industry or unions. While Rule of Law is far from perfect, unless strictly adhered to, what then remains is Rule of Man - government by whim of the political class.

As with many bygone nations, America finds herself slipping away from the Rule of Law, and sliding toward the Rule of Man - an American Caesarism. At whatever pace, the slightest perceptible movement toward Caesarism is reason to dispense (via ballot box) with every last elected politician in Washington D.C.

So what is American Caesarism? It is when the political class:

- Treats peaceable citizens as suspects of crime (Patriot Act, TSA, NDAA, etc.)

- Plunders the citizens' wealth by devaluing their savings via expansion of the money supply (inflation.) Thinkers ranging from Jefferson to Lenin wrote about this form of stealth robbery. Lenin was in favor of it. This is stealing, and the net results are no different than the forceable taking of ones valuables. Quantitative Easing makes the middle class poorer - especially seniors living off their savings.

- Repeatedly wages undeclared wars outside of our own borders, on other peoples' lands (their property), which causes violent "blow back" (a CIA term.) In his farewell address, Dwight Eisenhower warned of the dangerous influences of the military-industrial complex. Aggressive wars make Americans materially poorer and less safe, while enriching politicians and their favored donors.

- Makes a mockery of free markets by passing and signing unreadable, incomprehensible bills which were actually written by industry lobbyists. Housing, education, and health care are now unaffordable because Congress literally lets the banking and health care industries write their own legislation.

- Allows an entrenched Robber Baron class, which is not "one percent" but actually a tenth of that, to fund both "sides" of national elections.

- Deliberately creates a Moocher class, which is nowhere near 47 percent, in order to secure party votes.

- Allowed the national debt to continually grow at a faster rate than GDP, and then claiming that net output is growing. (See Karl Denninger's book Leverage, and his website www.market-ticker.org.) The U.S. economy has not grown based on the reinvestment of real surplus capital (savings) since before 1980. It is impossible for sustainable wealth creation to occur based on the emission of unbacked credit. What happened in 2008 was an economic prequake.

- That which cannot go on forever, won't. History tells us that an entrenched political class will not just give up their power willingly. It is entirely possible they will turn on the citizenry, just as they did in modern democratic states like Spain, France, and Germany.

While there is much that can be done to reduce gun violence, that is the subject of another article. Peaceable American citizens must not accept any further encroachments upon their right to bear arms. To do so would be a monumental error.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: caesarism; corruption; criminalpresident; guncontrol; obama; ruleoflaw; ruleofman
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1 posted on 02/24/2013 8:57:10 AM PST by Gennie
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To: Gennie

Gee, no sh . . . . . kidding!

I’ve been saying this for a couple of months, now!


2 posted on 02/24/2013 8:58:17 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Gennie
The subject of the last paragraph is due to the subject of all the preceding paragraphs.
3 posted on 02/24/2013 9:03:49 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Gennie

That’s a man?


4 posted on 02/24/2013 9:08:04 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Gennie
While Rule of Law is far from perfect, unless strictly adhered to, what then remains is Rule of Man - government by whim of the political class.

The rule of man assumes that man knows what is best for man. This, however always means that a few fallible men seem to know what is best for all mankind.And libtards believe that they are the ones that know best. And what they know is that the state must guide and shape man in their own libtard image.

5 posted on 02/24/2013 9:10:59 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Gennie

We are fast approaching a 1776 moment. The time for beginning a reissue of the Declaration of Independence was a couple of years back. Even Caesar did not want to destroy Rome and this POS kenyan has made it clear that is what he wants. He has styled himself more as the new Fuehrer, with his cult of personality and use of dictatorial powers.

Piss on him, his National Socialist Democrat Party, and piss on all democrats.

FUBO & FAD


6 posted on 02/24/2013 9:15:50 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

With the Feds watching forums like this for incitement...one cannot say what needs to be said, but it should be understood.


7 posted on 02/24/2013 9:19:10 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Gennie

Since spring 2008.


8 posted on 02/24/2013 9:19:36 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Gennie

Been coming for a long time. No republic in the history of man has survived for more than a few centuries. The only real question is what or who will take over our current form of government? With the current crop in our political class, I’m thinking we’re headed towards a fascist regime, with a communist backbone, basically a smaller version of china. Or we might end up like south africa or zimbabwe.


9 posted on 02/24/2013 9:22:16 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Gennie
Perhaps an examination of the underlying principle of America's Declaration of Independence and Constitution might help to shed light on its problems today. The following essay can be downloaded here. It highlights the difference between the founding idea of individual liberty and other ideas which place government over people.

"The Unique Idea"

Our Constitution embodied a UNIQUE IDEA. Nothing like it had ever been done before. The power of the idea was in the recognition that people's rights are granted directly by the Creator - not by the state - and that the people, then, and only then, grant rights to government. The concept is so simple, yet so very fundamental and far-reaching.

CREATOR

People

Government

America's founders embraced a previously unheard-of political philosophy which held that people are "...endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights...." This was the statement of guiding principle for the new nation, and, as such, had to be translated into a concrete charter for government. The Constitution of The United States of America became that charter.

Other forms of government, past and present, rely on the state as the grantor of human rights. America's founders, however, believed that a government made up of imperfect people exercising power over other people should possess limited powers. Through their Constitution, they wished to "secure the blessings of liberty" for themselves and for posterity by limiting the powers of government. Through it, they delegated to government only those rights they wanted it to have, holding to themselves all powers not delegated by the Constitution. They even provided the means for controlling those powers they had granted to government.

This was the unique American idea. Many problems we face today result from a departure from this basic con­cept. Gradually, other "ideas" have influenced legislation which has reversed the roles and given government greater and greater power over individuals. Early generations of Americans pledged their lives to the cause of in­dividual freedom and limited government and warned, over and over again, that eternal vigilance would be required to preserve that freedom for posterity.


Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III:  ISBN 0-937047-01-5 Here.


10 posted on 02/24/2013 9:22:33 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: mjp

“History tells us that an entrenched political class will not just give up their power willingly. It is entirely possible they will turn on the citizenry...”

They are electing a new citizenry for this reason, deliberately importing third world immigrants dependent on our ruling class’s handouts. The Republicans are willing junior partners.


11 posted on 02/24/2013 9:24:53 AM PST by kreitzer
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To: Gennie
Render unto God what is God's.
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
Sometimes Caesar due an ass kicking.
12 posted on 02/24/2013 9:26:59 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Gennie

It isn’t the rule of man that we need fear — laws are written by man.

It is when the rules are established by A Man (or small cadre). Be it Unconstitutional XOs creating illegal branches of government and opening the borders to all comers, when we go from Constitutional Representation to Fascism.

Tell your kids the final straw of liberty was in 2008. It started with the 16th and 17th Amendments, accelerated downhill while the Great Society was built and has now hit the wall.

Bread and Circuses and Santa Claus.


13 posted on 02/24/2013 9:30:59 AM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: freedumb2003
It started with the 16th and 17th Amendments,...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It started with the socialist-entitlement, single-payer, prison-like, and compulsory-use K-12 schooling that was forced upon the nation in the mid-1800 to early 1900s. These schools also fed the children a lukewarm and generic pap of Protestantism.

It only took one to three generations of socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling to give the nation enough voters to support usurpation of large tracts of state land for federal parks, feminism, the federal reserve, popular election of Senators, the failed “one world” League of Nations followed by the U.N., the communist dominated union movement, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

If children are schooled in socialist-entitlement, prison-like, compulsory, and godless schools we will eventually have a nation with a majority population of citizens who are comfortable with socialism, government compulsion, and godlessness. And...They will have no problem being state prisoners.

Personally, I have made a decision. I consider the government's socialist-entitlement K-12 schools soooooo EVIL for the child and such a threat to our nation's continuing freedom that I will NOT have a government teacher or worker for a friend. They are too evil, too stupid, or too much of a useful idiot to be my friend. They are NOT welcome in my house. ( I don't have abortion workers or Nazis for friends either. )

14 posted on 02/24/2013 9:42:59 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Gennie

And the rule of man is equal to Nazi Germany. The communists controlling government have a hard grasp on America. Lets turn that around.


15 posted on 02/24/2013 9:44:39 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Gennie

Allowing people to become career politicians and bureaucrats to be represented by unions are the main problems.


16 posted on 02/24/2013 9:45:40 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: Gennie

We have the tyrannical rule of man through selective law enforcement.


17 posted on 02/24/2013 9:52:29 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Gennie

Good post! Thanks!


18 posted on 02/24/2013 10:01:56 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Ouderkirk
With the Feds watching forums like this for incitement...one cannot say what needs to be said, but it should be understood.?

The Feds are becoming more paranoid by the day. I pursue many news sites feeds, blogs, etc for user comments: What you read here is often much tamer than what is expressed elsewhere.

The comments by leftist pukes is beyond outrageous. They have a boiling hatred of Conservatives.

At the delight of the Marxist this Republic is being torn asunder. I have no doubt that before his term is up that some serious civil disorder will occur (of course started by his underlings)

If you can suffer the foul language and hatred, go and read people's sentiments posted around the web. It is quite eye opening.

Conservatives mostly comment about Constitutional principles and being left alone. The lefts comments are mostly about having Conservatives being eliminated.

19 posted on 02/24/2013 10:07:39 AM PST by sand88
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To: loveliberty2
America's founders embraced a previously unheard-of political philosophy which held that people are "...endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights...."

The idea of Church and civil government being two God-ordained powers that have complementary roles goes back to the Old Testament. The role of civil government is clearly laid out in the whole counsel of God, notably by histories recounted of the Kings, prophets and priests of ancient Israel.

For example, Kings were to be held to the same laws as much as the least of the citizens were; they were bound to discharge their duties in a godly manner. Of course, there were many wicked Kings who did not, but certainly in the end God holds them accountable the same as everyone else. The monarchies of Christendom typically recognized that they were God-ordained institutions, however they certainly very often neglected many of their true obligations as described in the whole counsel of God.

The American founders simply chose the representative form of government, specifically, that the selection of leaders would not be by inheritence but by elections.
20 posted on 02/24/2013 10:10:23 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: RJS1950

It’s long past time to broach a topic which should have been raised YEARS ago when this America-hating Marxist began his campaign to DESTROY the country in which many of us were raised and served in uniform.

Let’s get on with it and let the chips fall where they may. If it leads to race riots, SO BE IT. He’s created more racial division than anyone in my lifetime. The option is to quietly submit to PC and to further acts of tyranny by this miscreant.

If it triggers CLASS WARFARE, SO BE IT. Class divisions have been exacerbated by this Chicago street thug since he came on the scene and they will only become more pronounced if he is allowed to remain in office.

I’ve resisted previous calls for his impeachment on the basis that he is IN OFFICE ILLEGALLY and impeachment might only serve to legitimize his tenure and possibly embolden another unvetted, Constitutionally ineligible usurper to have a go at it in the future.

His recent actions (Benghazi, EOs on destroying the 2nd Amendment, his appointments of fellow Marxists to the SCOTUS and executive offices, etc., etc.) cause me to rethink that: I WANT HIM GONE AND IN PRISON BY WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE!

If IMPEACHMENT is what will work, SO BE IT!!


21 posted on 02/24/2013 10:21:37 AM PST by Dick Bachert ("Those who hammer their swords into plowshares will likely plow for those who do not." B.Franklin)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Thank you.

Clearly, the American experiment in liberty had its roots in Judeo-Christian thought.

In 1839 John Quincy Adams was invited by the NY Historical Society to deliver the Address for the 50th Year Celebration. In that lengthy Address, Adams enumerated the nation's noble history in what is known as his "Jubilee" Address and concluded with these words:

"In more than one case, the change has extended to political and even to moral principle; but the policy of the country has been fashioned far more by the influences of public opinion, and the prevailing humors in the two Houses of Congress, than by the judgment, the will, or the principles of the President of the United States. The President himself is no more than a representative of public opinion at the time of his election; and as public opinion is subject to great and frequent fluctuations, he must accommodate his policy to them; or the people will speedily give him a successor; or either House of Congress will effectually control his power. It is thus, and in no other sense that the Constitution of the United States is democratic - for the government of our country, instead of a Democracy the most simple, is the most complicated government on the face of the globe. From the immense extent of our territory, the difference of manners, habits, opinions, and above all, the clashing interests of the North, South, East, and West, public opinion formed by the combination of numerous aggregates, becomes itself a problem of compound arithmetic, which nothing but the result of the popular elections can solve.

It has been my purpose, Fellow-Citizens, in this discourse to show:-

    1. That this Union was formed by a spontaneous movement of the people of thirteen English Colonies; all subjects of the King of Great Britain - bound to him in allegiance, and to the British empire as their country. That the first object of this Union,was united resistance against oppression, and to obtain from the government of their country redress of their wrongs.

    2. That failing in this object, their petitions having been spurned, and the oppressions of which they complained, aggravated beyond endurance, their Delegates in Congress, in their name and by their authority, issued the Declaration of Independence - proclaiming them to the world as one people, absolving them from their ties and oaths of allegiance to their king and country - renouncing that country; declared the UNITED Colonies, Independent States, and announcing that this ONE PEOPLE of thirteen united independent states, by that act, assumed among the powers of the earth, that separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitled them.

    3. That in justification of themselves for this act of transcendent power, they proclaimed the principles upon which they held all lawful government upon earth to be founded - which principles were, the natural, unalienable, imprescriptible rights of man, specifying among them, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - that the institution of government is to secure to men in society the possession of those rights: that the institution, dissolution, and reinstitution of government, belong exclusively to THE PEOPLE under a moral responsibility to the Supreme Ruler of the universe; and that all the just powers of government are derived from the consent of the governed.

    4. That under this proclamation of principles, the dissolution of allegiance to the British king, and the compatriot connection with the people of the British empire, were accomplished; and the one people of the United States of America, became one separate sovereign independent power, assuming an equal station among the nations of the earth.

    5. That this one people did not immediately institute a government for themselves. But instead of it, their delegates in Congress, by authority from their separate state legislatures, without voice or consultation of the people, instituted a mere confederacy.

    6. That this confederacy totally departed from the principles of the Declaration of independence, and substituted instead of the constituent power of the people, an assumed sovereignty of each separate state, as the source of all its authority.

    7. That as a primitive source of power, this separate state sovereignty,was not only a departure from the principles of the Declaration of Independence, but directly contrary to, and utterly incompatible with them.

    8. That the tree was made known by its fruits. That after five years wasted in its preparation, the confederation dragged out a miserable existence of eight years more, and expired like a candle in the socket, having brought the union itself to the verge of dissolution.

    9. That the Constitution of the United States was a return to the principles of the Declaration of independence, and the exclusive constituent power of the people. That it was the work of the ONE PEOPLE of the United States; and that those United States, though doubled in numbers, still constitute as a nation, but ONE PEOPLE.

    10. That this Constitution, making due allowance for the imperfections and errors incident to all human affairs, has under all the vicissitudes and changes of war and peace, been administered upon those same principles, during a career of fifty years.

    11. That its fruits have been, still making allowance for human imperfection, a more perfect union, established justice, domestic tranquility, provision for the common defence, promotion of the general welfare, and the enjoyment of the blessings of liberty by the constituent people, and their posterity to the present day.

And now the future is all before us, and Providence our guide.

When the children of Israel, after forty years of wanderings in the wilderness, were about to enter upon the promised land, their leader, Moses, who was not permitted to cross the Jordan with them, just before his removal from among them, commanded that when the Lord their God should have brought them into the land, they should put the curse upon Mount Ebal, and the blessing upon Mount Gerizim. This injunction was faithfully fulfilled by his successor Joshua. Immediately after they had taken possession of the land, Joshua built an altar to the Lord, of whole stones, upon Mount Ebal. And there he wrote upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he had written in the presence of the children of Israel: and all Israel, and their elders and officers, and their judges, stood on the two sides of the ark of the covenant, home by the priests and Levites, six tribes over against Mount Gerizim, and six over against Mount Ebal. And he read all the words of the law, the blessings and cursings, according to all that was written in the book of the law.

"Fellow-citizens, the ark of your covenant is the Declaration of independence. Your Mount Ebal, is the confederacy of separate state sovereignties, and your Mount Gerizim is the Constitution of the United States. In that scene of tremendous and awful solemnity, narrated in the Holy Scriptures, there is not a curse pronounced against the people, upon Mount Ebal, not a blessing promised them upon Mount Gerizim, which your posterity may not suffer or enjoy, from your and their adherence to, or departure from, the principles of the Declaration of Independence, practically interwoven in the Constitution of the United States. Lay up these principles, then, in your hearts, and in your souls - bind them for signs upon your hands, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes - teach them to your children, speaking of them when sitting in your houses, when walking by the way, when lying down and when rising up - write them upon the doorplates of your houses, and upon your gates - cling to them as to the issues of life - adhere to them as to the cords of your eternal salvation. So may your children's children at the next return of this day of jubilee, after a full century of experience under your national Constitution, celebrate it again in the full enjoyment of all the blessings recognized by you in the commemoration of this day, and of all the blessings promised to the children of Israel upon Mount Gerizim, as the reward of obedience to the law of God." here

What President, Senator, or Congressman today has the courage to declare what this man who served under that Constitution in many capacities, including as President and, until his death, as Congressman declared in New York City on that day in 1839?

Any citizen today can access the writings and speeches of the founding period. There is no excuse for ignorance.

22 posted on 02/24/2013 10:47:38 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Gennie

GOD DENIERS LED BY A CONGENITAL LIAR
ARE REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH INCITERS/
FOR FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
BE DEFENSELESS WHEN THEY COME
FOR TO THEIR GOVERNMENT YOU MUST RUN

It’s time to get government out of Our face
Our religion and and Our pocketbook

(The above is designed to be printed up and passed around your precinct and your friends and neighbors as a (index sized) palmcard. On the face (REVERSE SIDE)or below the slogan you can put the name of the candidate you favor and the election dates...EXCELLENT FOR SLIPPING UNDER WINDSHIELD WIPERS ON CARS PARKED IN KEY PARKING LOTS CHURCHES, RALLY SITES....


23 posted on 02/24/2013 10:48:05 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: Gennie

I have an 85% confidence level that when dumBO says “everyone plays by the same rules” he means my rules.


24 posted on 02/24/2013 10:50:51 AM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Gennie

Quo Brutus est?


25 posted on 02/24/2013 11:29:55 AM PST by expat2
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To: sand88

We understand that the leftards can post anything and advocate and incite to their hearts content.

Yet anything similar that is posted here is immediately removed by the Admin Mods. Were it left up, we get one or both treatments of hate speech or the knock on the door from the FBI or similar.


26 posted on 02/24/2013 11:42:31 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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>> Bolshevism and Naziism produced in excess of 100 million human corpses.

Roe v Wade added over 50 million more.


27 posted on 02/24/2013 1:01:58 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Since spring 2008.

LOL That's it? How about federal farming laws? The Miller decision? Bonus Army fiasco?

28 posted on 02/24/2013 1:43:02 PM PST by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: DustyMoment; Gennie
Obama, the new Caligula.
29 posted on 02/24/2013 1:46:18 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Gennie
Since king barry picks and chooses which laws will be enforced and which can be broken without penalty I suggest that we do the same.
30 posted on 02/24/2013 2:04:46 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: wintertime

>>It started with the socialist-entitlement, single-payer, prison-like, and compulsory-use K-12 schooling that was forced upon the nation in the mid-1800 to early 1900s. These schools also fed the children a lukewarm and generic pap of Protestantism.<<

The 16th and 17th Amendments were the DIRECT CAUSE of all those things (and the timing matches yours — the opening of the 20th Century).

The ability for the Government to steal (wantonly, recklessly and with abandon) the fruits of a man’s labor and the complete and final emasculation of the States (beyond what The Civil War did to Amendments 9 and 10) were the source of all the evils you describe.


31 posted on 02/24/2013 2:04:55 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Ouderkirk

“With the Feds watching forums like this for incitement...one cannot say what needs to be said”

I can and frequently do. Nothing violent or illegal about what needs to be done. Quit your jobs, leave your businesses. That’s what our ancestors did when called to serve their country. It wasn’t convenient or easy for them. Often it was deadly.

The libs have their strategy: overload the system. We should employ ours: starve the beast.

No income, no tax revenue. Put the govt on notice that you will no longer financially support the calculated, systematic destruction of America.

Unless Directive 10-289 is now law, what I propose is completely legal. Nobody needs to get shot, no civil war scenarios.

And if you organize, plan, coordinate, do it intelligently, you could take back America in a matter of weeks. Clean out the Congress without firing a shot. The schools too. And the courts. And the damn borders.

Or you could all just sit here pecking and whispering as if the government cares. It does not. Talk is cheap.

They don’t NEED your guns. They need your money.


32 posted on 02/24/2013 2:13:19 PM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: Gennie

I couldn’t disagree


33 posted on 02/24/2013 2:16:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: wintertime

?I will NOT have a government teacher or worker for a friend. They are too evil, too stupid, or too much of a useful idiot to be my friend. They are NOT welcome in my house. ( I don’t have abortion workers or Nazis for friends either”

I’m starting to feel the same way about government enablers, financial supporters, consenting victims — ie, income tax payers.


34 posted on 02/24/2013 2:19:38 PM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: sand88
The lefts comments are mostly about having Conservatives being eliminated.

That is not to be taken lightly. The hard core Obamatons would happily cattle-car every Freeper off to a labor camp.

35 posted on 02/24/2013 2:36:44 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: freedumb2003
The 16th and 17th Amendments are a symptom.

If by some magic the 16th and 17th Amendment were repealed tomorrow, by Tuesday, there would be a mass movement to have them reinstated. Why?

Answer: Because we have nation of voters trained to be comfortable accepting socialism and government compulsion by attending socialist-entitlement and compulsory attendance K-12 schools.

Answer: We have a nation of citizens who were trained in their government schools first to be lukewarm and generic in their worldview regarding God, and now are being forced to think and reason godlessly in the existing godless government schools. Since a religious vacuum is impossible we should not be surprised that vast swaths of our nation worship government as their redeemer and savior.

Children who attend government socialist-entitlement schools are at risk of learning that any mob powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is powerful enough to give them **lots** of free things. This was true in the mid-1800s, the early 1900s, and now.

36 posted on 02/24/2013 2:56:20 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Jacquerie
That is not to be taken lightly. The hard core Obamatons would happily cattle-car every Freeper off to a labor camp.
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They won't use cattle cars. They will use big yellow school buses, and even many Freepers will compliantly board them just as they were trained to do in their government run socialist-entitlement and compulsory K-12 schools.

37 posted on 02/24/2013 2:58:36 PM PST by wintertime
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To: HomeAtLast
My husband and I retired 10 years earlier than planned. We live **very** modestly. The evil ones get NO income tax from us ( completely legally!) because their is no income to tax.

As for the property tax that goes toward funding the godless indoctrination in the county's socialist-entitlement schools?...Well...That's hard to avoid, but we do live in far **less** house than we can afford. That helps defund this godless abomination ( misnamed) “schooling”.

38 posted on 02/24/2013 3:04:36 PM PST by wintertime
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To: kreitzer

And on a smaller scale of that - “gerrymandering” - politicians choosing their voters, rather than voters choosing their politicians.


39 posted on 02/24/2013 5:46:12 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

save for later read


40 posted on 02/24/2013 6:25:45 PM PST by borntobeagle (It's The End Of The World As We Know It And I Don't Feel Fine.)
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To: DuncanWaring

save for later read


41 posted on 02/24/2013 6:25:54 PM PST by borntobeagle (It's The End Of The World As We Know It And I Don't Feel Fine.)
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To: Gennie

If this was all Obama’s (and Michelle’s and even Valerie Jarrett’s) doing this would just be partisan banter.

The scary part is this is more than just a small group acting in emperor type ways. Far more.

This is the Bill Ayers and the the radical Columbia gang from the 70s and 80s getting their last shot.

Remember the 25 million. Remember that Ayers and that crew kill. They killed in 70s and they have no remorse if they kill now.

Obama is a red-diaper baby and he clearly believes what he was taught by Frank Marshall Davis and other communist mentors. But he is not the mastermind.

You have a virtual daughter of Jessie Jackson as his wife. Mr. Jackson has his beef with America after watching his mentor gunned down in Memphis. Do that chip on his shoulder transfer to a girl who literally grew up in his house - of course.

Valerie Jarrett’s grandfather’s vision of integrated neighborhoods were rejected by the racist Chicago establishment. She has a big chip on her shoulder.

But none of these are masterminds of slowly subverting the Constitution and government in general. No budget from Congress, executive orders, using the EPA to destroy companies, leverage the Holder Department of Justice as a virtual SS, Drone strategy, etc. Ayers and his gang of radicals could only dream of what is going on now in the 1970s.

This is not one mans narcissism. Not at all. The overall pattern is driven by a larger and more sinister group. The core of this group is old. But they are on their last run to achieve what they set out to do over 30 years ago.


42 posted on 02/24/2013 6:30:19 PM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: Ouderkirk

What the don’t understand is, the snowball effect.

And...they won’t have a snowballs chance in hell when it comes.


43 posted on 02/24/2013 7:40:35 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: HomeAtLast

I’ve always said that if a few millon of us decided on April 15th to say enough is enough, and refuse to file and not send the bastards any more money, we could start a snowball effect that would cripple this government so bad they would be begging us not to burn down their houses.


44 posted on 02/24/2013 7:49:25 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Gennie

Mfl.


45 posted on 02/24/2013 7:51:02 PM PST by Jane Long (Whew...good to be back in FR Realville. Thanks Jim & John)
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To: wintertime
Personally, I have made a decision. I consider the government's socialist-entitlement K-12 schools soooooo EVIL for the child and such a threat to our nation's continuing freedom that I will NOT have a government teacher or worker for a friend. They are too evil, too stupid, or too much of a useful idiot to be my friend. They are NOT welcome in my house. ( I don't have abortion workers or Nazis for friends either. )

Three out of four Gospels agree that there is dire consequence for teaching children evil.

Luke 17:1-2 Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.
Matt. 18:6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Mark 9:42 And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.

46 posted on 02/24/2013 9:29:46 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gennie; P.O.E.

Hanover, PA Ping.

And a bump so I can locate it later today!


47 posted on 02/24/2013 11:12:25 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Three out of four Gospels agree that there is dire consequence for teaching children evil.
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That is what government teachers agree to do every godless school day. They **willingly** seek to support and uphold a godless and socialist-entitlement system of indoctrination that is EVIL for the child and is a threat to our nation. If they **really** cared about children they would be warning every parent they meet to remove their children immediately from these pits of evil.

And....Teachers who seek work where they are compelled to contribute anything to the abominable NEA are under special condemnation.


48 posted on 02/25/2013 5:35:27 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Gennie

Well, all I can say is that if America is slipping from the rule of law to the rule of Man it is doing via the rule of lawyers...


49 posted on 02/25/2013 7:45:47 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: wintertime
My husband and I retired 10 years earlier than planned. We live **very** modestly. The evil ones get NO income tax from us

Glad to hear it, and not in the least surprised. You have solid convictions and you actually practice them, that takes a lot of guts. I salute you.

PS: Don't know if I mentioned it -- haven't time to back-read -- but in some states, if your income is low enough, you can actually get a rebate of property tax. I will freepmail you in more detail on that.

50 posted on 02/25/2013 8:05:52 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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