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New York Army Vet Facing 7 Years in Prison Over Empty Ammo Magazines
http://www.theblaze.com ^ | february 23, 2013 | Madeleine Morgenstern

Posted on 02/24/2013 5:47:16 AM PST by lowbridge

An Army veteran in New York is facing up to seven years in prison for possessing five empty 30-round ammunition magazines.

Nate Haddad told WGRZ-TV he was parked on a road last month waiting to meet someone interested in buying them off him when police approached. According to the station, the magazines were for an AR-15 rifle, the same type of weapon Haddad once carried in combat. Magazines over 10 rounds have been illegal in New York since 1994, unless they were manufactured before the law went into effect. Haddad says he thought his were legal, until he found out otherwise.

“I certainly did not think I was committing a felony crime by having these,” Haddad told WGRZ. “My understanding of what I had in my possession was that it was manufactured before 1994, but the arresting officers told me otherwise after I showed them the magazines that I had in my possession.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; newyork; secondamendment
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1 posted on 02/24/2013 5:47:25 AM PST by lowbridge
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Rapists in NY are typically sentenced to 4-12 years (a recent forcible rape conviction netted 15 months!) and serve a small fraction of that time. To the far left fringe, being a decent American potentially capable of defending himself and others against criminals (including rapists and tyrants) is worse than being a rapist.


2 posted on 02/24/2013 5:51:35 AM PST by Pollster1
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This is an outrage. God help our children and grandchildren for what’s happening in this country.


3 posted on 02/24/2013 5:54:25 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: lowbridge

The second amendment doesn’t apply in New York anymore. Why should ex port facto laws be prohibited?


4 posted on 02/24/2013 5:54:49 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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People who want to live free and own what ever magazine they want and own what ever legally weapon they want - should not live in NY, CA, MA, etc...but pick a state that does not infringe on their rights.

After all the “hard working” responsible residents move out of these states — there will be no longer viable income to support all the losers that depend on them for tax revenue - and all that will be left are the entitlement junkies that will be running wild demanding their masters take care of them...

...might not be able to vote them out - but it doesn’t mean you can’t move out!


5 posted on 02/24/2013 5:56:50 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: lowbridge
He is going to court. He turned down the misdemeanors. Hopefully he gets a good jury because if he is found guilty (even if he does NOT do time) he will lose his pension. It is a gamble but somebody has to stop this tyranny. The only problem is he is using ignorance of the law. I wonder where he got the empty clips. I hope from from the military after he used them. Normally you cannot keep empty clips and it would be considered theft. He has a long road. Prayers to him.
6 posted on 02/24/2013 5:58:03 AM PST by napscoordinator
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And how would the arresting officer know when they were manufactured?? Sounds like trial by cop.


7 posted on 02/24/2013 5:58:03 AM PST by OldEagle
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Did the police drive by and say “hey? clean cut white decent looking man? must be be up to no good” or is New York now setting up people on Craigslist? Un f’n believable!
8 posted on 02/24/2013 5:58:51 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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And how would the arresting officer know when they were manufactured?? Sounds like trial by cop.


9 posted on 02/24/2013 5:59:22 AM PST by OldEagle
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I think he should have taken the plea deal. Now he is going to face a trial for a felony, and the Federal Government has found that there is no constitutional infirmity to a ban based on magazine capacity (Heller II, DC Circuit, SCOTUS declined to review the holding).

His only hope is jury nullification, but the evidence is pretty clear, and a judge will take the decision away from the jury if it doesn't convict.

The courts are corrupt on the right to keep and bear arms.

10 posted on 02/24/2013 6:01:32 AM PST by Cboldt
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I just saw a headline on Twitter where some democrats want to pass a bill allowing the police to come into your home once a year and announced to do a firearms check. Pretty scary!


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11 posted on 02/24/2013 6:04:06 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: OldEagle
Well, that is New York for you. There are better places to live.
12 posted on 02/24/2013 6:05:06 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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And how would the arresting officer know when they were manufactured??

Surplus mil spec mags have their date of manufacture stamped on them.

13 posted on 02/24/2013 6:05:06 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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14 posted on 02/24/2013 6:10:18 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Tail Gunner John
Did the police drive by and say “hey? clean cut white decent looking man?

Possibly. Twenty years ago, I was driving my then-girlfriend and her mother to a hospital, and had to go through some part of Brooklyn where those of Italian, German or Polish ancestry were not usually found. I was driving my much-loved '66 Dodge Dart.

I was pulled over, and asked what we were doing. Never was there a hint that I was doing anything wrong. We just touched off the policeman's "One of these things doesn't belong here" alarm.
15 posted on 02/24/2013 6:10:18 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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I bet David Gregory will cover this story — he knows all about magazines and how ordinary citizens (like himself) can possess them in all circumstances, even when the cops specifically say not to. Gregory will lead the charge to see that justice is done. [/s]


16 posted on 02/24/2013 6:13:09 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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Nathan Haddad and his attorney were on Cam and Company yesterday.

Updated posted by Michael Haddad 2 days ago

“I have not yet begun to...

“I have not yet begun to fight!” – John Paul Jones

Yesterday’s court proceedings clarified things! The Jefferson County District Attorney’s office is more interested in political expediency than justice. THAT IS A MISTAKE!

Consultations between Nathan’s attorney Seth Buchman and a team of attorneys specializing in the 2nd Amendment and Constitutional law have already occurred. In addition, outside organizations including the NRA and The 2nd Amendment Foundation are aware of and involved in this action. Strategy is being debated, planned out and implemented.

I want to add a special thanks to Emily Miller at the Washington Times for her careful, fair and accurate reporting. In a time when most reporters simply carry water for the government Emily truly stands out as wanting to find “truth.”

We will continue to raise funds and are prepared to take this as far as necessary to obtain justice. Nathan did not choose this path but he is on it. If this path takes him to the Supreme Court of the United States that is where we will go!

We will be sharing additional information in the coming days including actionable steps you can take.

“An unjust law is no law at all”—Augustine of Hippo

Please send interview requests, comments, or suggestions to: americans4the2nda@gmail.com

Thank you!

Nathan Haddad’s legal fund

http://www.gofundme.com/1tkukc


17 posted on 02/24/2013 6:14:08 AM PST by KeyLargo
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“I certainly did not think I was committing a felony crime by having these,” Haddad told WGRZ. “My understanding of what I had in my possession was that it was manufactured before 1994, but the arresting officers told me otherwise after I showed them the magazines that I had in my possession.” ( from the article)
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Well! ....This absolutely settles it. I am **NEVER** going to New York for any reason. Why? Because what other nutty laws to they have to nail someone with?

From Ayn Rand:

“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”


18 posted on 02/24/2013 6:17:15 AM PST by wintertime
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Don’t mean to lecture...however -

They are called magazines...not clips.

Magazines......not clips.

Thank you.


19 posted on 02/24/2013 6:19:17 AM PST by LFOD (Formerly - Iraq, Afgahnistan - back home in Dixie.)
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“I think he should have taken the plea deal. Now he is going to face a trial for a felony,”

Nathan Haddad said last night on the Cam & Company program that he is a federal employee and does not want a criminal conviction which will ruin in chances for any career advancement or job prospects in any job where he would need such things as a security clearance.

If he were to plead guilty to misdemeanors his arrest record will still show that he was arrested for Felonies.


20 posted on 02/24/2013 6:20:14 AM PST by KeyLargo
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