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Another Jihadist Terror Plot in Britain
Terror Trends Bulletin ^ | 23 Feb 13 | Unknown

Posted on 02/23/2013 8:10:03 PM PST by LSUfan

The United Kingdom is unfortunately a nation that is in the process of slowly committing cultural suicide.

It pains us to say it because the UK is in many ways the cradle of modern Western civilization and there has been no more steadfast US ally for very nearly 100 years.

But the British made a bargain with the devil when they decided to allow massive Muslim immigration a generation ago. As a result, there are now Shariah zones in areas of Britain and there are neighborhoods in London where British servicemen have been told not to wear their uniforms because the locals are offended.

Still, these symptoms of the cultural suicide pale in comparison to the periodic Jihadist attacks and plots that are uncovered. This week has revealed yet another Jihadi plot, this one perhaps among the worst to be contemplated by monsters that are living in and amongst good, innocent British subjects.

The latest plot in the UK involved three Jihadis in Birmingham who were preparing to detonate nail bombs at rail stations with an aim to slaughtering thousands.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; eurabia; europeanunion; islam; jihad; religionofpeace; terrorism; terrorplot; unitedkingdom; waronterror
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From the article:

"Perhaps the most troubling aspect of the Birmingham terror plot is the fact that members of the Muslim community there knew that these men were traveling to Pakistan to train for terror, yet not a single person came forward to warn the police that this was going on."

1 posted on 02/23/2013 8:10:09 PM PST by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

Meanwhile Britain continues to allow immigration from Muslim countries (as does the U.S.).


2 posted on 02/23/2013 8:43:41 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: LSUfan
" members of the Muslim community there knew that these men were traveling to Pakistan to train for terror, yet not a single person came forward to warn the police that this was going on.""


3 posted on 02/23/2013 9:14:15 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

Shazam!


4 posted on 02/23/2013 9:49:59 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: null and void

three good little muslims...and there are thousands more, hundreds of thousands...

5 posted on 02/23/2013 10:32:15 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

They’re dead?


6 posted on 02/23/2013 10:37:05 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: LSUfan
It seems that some of one of the plotters’ friends are incredulous that he could be a part of planning such an atrocity. Irfan Naseer’s friends paint a picture of a jolly, fat Muslim:

Part of the plan. Make muzzies look happy and harmless.Here is a sitcom that is shown in Canada

Little Mosque on the Prairie

7 posted on 02/23/2013 10:47:02 PM PST by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: BBell

That series finally ended last year. It had very few viewers, (even by Canadian standards). The only reason that it survived so long is that it was produced and broadcast by the government-owned, and heavily-subsidized CBC. But, let’s not call it propaganda. That would be rude.


8 posted on 02/24/2013 12:25:12 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: LSUfan

A few headlines

UK: Third of rapists and killers ‘are foreign’
150 people caught after rioting swept across UK ‘were foreign nationals and will be deported

UK rioters came from abroad: 1 in 7 jailed after summer of violence was a foreign national

Too sick to work but not to riot: One in eight defendants on incapacity or disability benefits

Almost 1m schoolchildren in England speaking English as a second language

I was forced to marry at FIVE-while living in UK: Horrific story of the British child bride

Sharia Compliancy forced on citizens in Britain, Comply or be prosecuted

100,000 women undergo genital mutilation in Britain

Muslim child-rape gangs in Britain

Britain to have smallest army since Napoleonic wars

British schools drop Holocaust lessons for Muslims

Almost half of Brits want to leave the EU

UK: Homeowners win right to use lethal force on burglars

Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

British Army shutting down for 3+ weeks

Decade that changed the face of the UK: in London less than half of the population is white British

For the first time, fewer than half of us are married

UK: Sikh soldier becomes first guardsman to parade outside Buckingham palace in a turban

Christians drop 13 percent in UK; Census reveals just 59 percent identify s Christian in 2011

Islam is the fastest growing religion in England; Christianity on the decline, census data shows

Britain spending more on benefits than Scandinavians

It’s official: Muslim population of Britain doubles

British textbook erases Israel

British judge calls a woman who killed son for not learning the Koran “a devoted and loving mother”

Muslim patrol hooded vigilantes walking streets or London telling women to cover up


9 posted on 02/24/2013 2:00:09 AM PST by Haddit
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To: null and void

No, sadly they are the three who were sent to prison, they are ‘good’ muslims according to islam, for planning to kill lots of kuffar people for allah. And there are hundreds of thousands out there all planning to make allah happy by killing as many as they can.


10 posted on 02/24/2013 2:45:56 AM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks LSUfan.
The latest plot in the UK involved three Jihadis in Birmingham who were preparing to detonate nail bombs at rail stations with an aim to slaughtering thousands

11 posted on 02/24/2013 5:03:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Ah. I was going on that civilized society definition of a good muslim; the only good muslim is a ....


12 posted on 02/24/2013 6:09:41 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: LSUfan

“when they decided to allow massive Muslim immigration a generation ago.”

I am curious as to the identity of the referenced “they”. Does anyone know the history of this “decision”?


13 posted on 02/24/2013 6:37:28 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Haddit

‘UK: Third of rapists and killers ‘are foreign’
150 people caught after rioting swept across UK ‘were foreign nationals and will be deported

UK rioters came from abroad: 1 in 7 jailed after summer of violence was a foreign national

Too sick to work but not to riot: One in eight defendants on incapacity or disability benefits

Almost 1m schoolchildren in England speaking English as a second language

I was forced to marry at FIVE-while living in UK: Horrific story of the British child bride

Sharia Compliancy forced on citizens in Britain, Comply or be prosecuted

100,000 women undergo genital mutilation in Britain

Muslim child-rape gangs in Britain

Britain to have smallest army since Napoleonic wars

British schools drop Holocaust lessons for Muslims

Almost half of Brits want to leave the EU

UK: Homeowners win right to use lethal force on burglars

Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate

British Army shutting down for 3+ weeks

Decade that changed the face of the UK: in London less than half of the population is white British

For the first time, fewer than half of us are married

UK: Sikh soldier becomes first guardsman to parade outside Buckingham palace in a turban

Christians drop 13 percent in UK; Census reveals just 59 percent identify s Christian in 2011

Islam is the fastest growing religion in England; Christianity on the decline, census data shows

Britain spending more on benefits than Scandinavians

It’s official: Muslim population of Britain doubles

British textbook erases Israel

British judge calls a woman who killed son for not learning the Koran “a devoted and loving mother”

Muslim patrol hooded vigilantes walking streets or London telling women to cover up’

1—You DO realise that many of the ‘foreigners’ were not Muslim or even ethnic?. Many were Eastern Europeans, illegals from Romania, Bosnia....dont assume always a dark face.

2—The language issue is a disgrace that was allowed to fester under 13 yrs of Labour rule.

3—Child marriage is just as illegal here as in the US. It may happen, but that dosent mean it is condoned.

4—The ‘Sharia Compliancy’ story is a load of nonsense, the story came from Paul Weston and his extreme rightwing party. Complete bilge.

5—The Muslim child gangs issue has been another disgraceful issue that was allowed to fester due to Labour, the PC police forces in the areas and local councils. I would point out that MUSLIM groups in the areas actually told police they existed. But the police and councils did nothing.

6—Yes, the army is subject to cuts. BUT we still have a very fine armed forces, the match man for man of any in the world. And we are building new ships, planes and equipment for all three services.

7—The Holocaust story is not true. In fact I posted in threads here some time ago about it. It was not true. Not the ‘only Halal meat’ story. Or the ‘mohammed is no 1 name in England’ story.

8—UK homeowners have ALWAYS had the right of self defence (another US myth). The last two govts and the courts have simply strengthened the laws in favour of the victim.

9—The British army did NOT shut down for 3 wks.

10—Cities are multiracial and multicultural by definition. People in the US make WAAAY too much issue of the fact London is heavily ethnic. London isnt the UK. Or even UK cities.

11-Sikh soldier?. Meh, who cares. The Sikhs are a proud people who have bravely served us for 200 years. I really wish I could be angry, but....

12-Islam is still just 5% of England, and 0.84% of Scotland. And even less in Wales and NI.

13—ONE textbook (from a Muslim publisher with questionable ties) got rid of Israel. Hardly a ‘national’ crime.

14—Those Muslim thugs on the streets are being investigated and several have already been arrested.


14 posted on 02/24/2013 1:12:22 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Chewbarkah

The main Pakistani or Indian immigration to the UK happened in the 1950’s-70’s, under both Labour and Conservative govts.


15 posted on 02/24/2013 1:20:56 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Jyotishi

Actually this current govt has and is restricting immigration, inc those from Pakistan, India and SE Asia.


16 posted on 02/24/2013 1:21:42 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

> Actually this current govt has and is restricting immigration, inc those from Pakistan, India and SE Asia.

Does the restriction apply only to Muslims or others as well?


17 posted on 02/24/2013 3:11:59 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Jyotishi

Others.

We are trying to limit immigration per se. The EU migration from E Europe is another problem.


18 posted on 02/24/2013 3:28:28 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Thank you for the information. Multiculturalism has its disadvantages, doesn’t it?


19 posted on 02/24/2013 3:55:08 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: the scotsman

thanks.


20 posted on 02/24/2013 4:41:33 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: LSUfan

The U.S. has no right to judge Britain for their blindness to Islam. In fact, we should have learned ourselves, but instead are going down the same path.


21 posted on 02/24/2013 5:01:15 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed ph)
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To: null and void

22 posted on 02/24/2013 9:44:23 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: the scotsman

Round ‘em up, behead ‘em out. Rotting hide.


23 posted on 02/24/2013 11:55:02 PM PST by tdscpa
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To: Chewbarkah

It was mostly a blowback from the Empire. Many foreigners held British passports from the time they were under British rule, and that of course gave them right of residency in the UK. It wasnt intended for that of course, it was so they could move around doing work, but it was a loophole that was exploited.


24 posted on 02/25/2013 3:37:58 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Jyotishi
Its fine so long as we rejoice in the differences. The problems come when we become defined by them. That happens when the overiding arc that everyone agrees on, that unites everyone, begins to fail. Think on it. Increasingly people in your own society do not think of themselves as Americans. They are more and more defining themselves as african-americans, Hispanic-americans, anglo-americans, gay americans, muslim-americans, west coast americans...and so on and so on.

Its a very bad sign.

25 posted on 02/25/2013 3:46:11 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Jyotishi

Are there ANY advantages?.


26 posted on 02/25/2013 4:31:33 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Jyotishi

Are there ANY advantages?.


27 posted on 02/25/2013 4:35:14 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Fred Nerks

Pictures would be better with an entry wound right above their dead eyes.


28 posted on 02/25/2013 8:19:43 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative

You must have read my mind.


29 posted on 02/25/2013 12:07:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: LSUfan
You know, I can't feel too much grief for a nation that did whatever it could to frustrate Israeli ability to defend itself against Muslim aggression in its infancy. British officers even fought with the Jordanians against Israel in the 1948 war.

This is a nation that will send police to your home for the crime of uttering negative words against Islam.

Also a nation that pays (on the dole) its extremists to plot or call for terror attacks.

30 posted on 02/25/2013 12:49:22 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Sadly this is what us Canadians are up against. We have Sun News, the only conservative news source, in its infancy and struggling to keep its head above water. Canada is the only Western nation I know of that has a regulator (CRTC) that actually decides what content must be carried by its broadcasters.


31 posted on 02/25/2013 12:51:50 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: the scotsman

Yes, but it is true that even criticizing Islam can get your ass in jail. Not even Canada has gone to that extent. It is also true that up to 7/7 Britain basically ignored the soap box terrorists in Hyde Park who were advocating violence.


32 posted on 02/25/2013 12:55:24 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Wisconsinlady
True but have you ever talked to a Brit about the Palestinian question? The anti-Jewish anti-Israel bias in Britain is epidemic. I remember talking to a fellow who went ballistic when I compared the PLO to the IRA. Funny how the Brits can recognize terrorists in their back yard, but see the PLO as freedom fighters. The BBC bias on Israel is horrendous. Even their fictional programming reflects this bias. A wonderful book by Sir Walter Scott (Ivanhoe), where his Jewish character was sympathetic, was turned into a sniveling, conniving, pathetic human being in the BBC production of the same story. I think the British are paying for their decades of antisemitism and working against Israel's national interests.
33 posted on 02/25/2013 1:00:07 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: the scotsman

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1170122820/Piers_profile_twitter.jpg

Can you take this man back?


34 posted on 02/25/2013 1:01:44 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Chewbarkah; LSUfan

The floodgates really opened after Blair took over in 1997. Any attempts at immigration control were deliberately abandoned as part of a new but unannounced gov’t policy. The idea was to force a “multi-culti” society on the country (and no doubt increase Labour party rolls) and enable any criticism of the policy to be deemed “racist” and thus discredited.

There were reports that it was indeed policy but proof only emerged years later in a leaked memo.


35 posted on 02/25/2013 6:58:37 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD
Here is just one of many articles about it. It's also true to say the present gov't doesn't seem to be doing much to correct the problem.
36 posted on 02/25/2013 7:09:11 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Sam Gamgee

No, its not ‘epidemic’.

I have said this a million times here, but dont let a minority of vocal leftists in the UK make you think that the majority of British hate Israel. And support Palestine.
The brutal truth is that most Brits are sick of the Isr-Pal conflict and couldnt care either way. That might be callous, but it is not support for Palestine either.

I am fed up with commentators who equate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism. Its a cheap, nasty trick. And lazy.

And your assertion that the British people are anti-semitic is an offensive lie. An utter and disgusting lie. The Jewish population of Great Britain lives happily without any major anti-semitism. In fact, Judaism is openly celebrated as a long standing and vibrant part of British culture. British TV ran Jewish documentaries across all five of its network channels last year, celebrating the Jewish British culture. Did America?.

British Jewish entertainers, writers, politicians and businesspeople openly celebrate their Jewishness. The London East End Jew, with his sharp wit and mouth is as well loved and known a cultural icon as the Glaswegian or the Cockney.

The current British Prime Minister is part Jewish. As is the deputy PM. As is the leader of the opposition party(Labour). So you have Jewish-descended people in the three most important political positions in the UK. Are Obama, Biden and Romney Jewish?......

Your comments about Britain are simply obnoxious. They are a disgusting slander on the vast, vast majority of the British people. Who are no more antisemitic than their American cousins.

You’d do well to remember that the UK is the nation that rejected the naked antisemitism of the 1930’s Fascists, and continues to reject the antisemitism of the BNP and other fringe neo-nazi parties and groups.

The UK is the nation that stood alone against Hitler in 1940 and 1941, while America and others stood by. The UK is the nation that defeated the Nazis, liberated Belsen and saved Jewish lives.

To suggest that the British people are antisemitic OR that the jews of Britain are victims of mass cultural or physical antisemitism is a downright and disgusting lie.


37 posted on 02/27/2013 3:39:12 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

You,sir, would do well to remember; that Great Britain, embraced Adolf and socialist fascists by the collar. Neville, was only a facile mouthpiece for British higher political desire. Do not be a knob, about this fact. Brits set the current Mid-east conflicts in motion, decades ago. Need a world history lesson? Keep talking.


38 posted on 02/27/2013 4:10:03 AM PST by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

And America did nothing to oppose Fascism until Hitler declared war on the US. Whilst the British stood alone as Europe fell. Even then, the US made Britain pay for every bullet and bomb. The US Nazi Party even flourished in the US, as the British Fascist Party of Oswald Mosley in the UK was being driven off the streets by protests.

We had useless Neville and the Cliveden Set, but you had Joe Kennedy, Charlie Adolf Lindbergh, isolationists and good old Father Coughlin, the pro-Nazi raging antisemitic bigot. Who was loved by millions of Americans.

Oh, and thanks for stabbing us in the back over Suez. Had you supported us, the French and Israelis, Nasser would been ousted, and many of the Palestinian terror problems of the last 40 years might have avoided. Remember just who founded the PLO in 1964. And remember who gave support to Arab terrorism until his death.

The blood of the 9 Munich athletes, and all the men, women and children murdered by Arab and Palestinian terrorists since 1964 lies on American hands. Two wars which could have ended with Israel defeat and Jewish annihilation, were it not for their military genius, lie at America’s doorstep.

So dont try and make out that America dosent have any role to play in the Middle East in the last century. Your nation’s decisions have cost people their lives there too.


39 posted on 02/27/2013 7:21:59 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman; RedHeeler
I'm sure 200 years ago Americans would never have believed this national "crying for daddy" would be coming from their end.
40 posted on 02/27/2013 8:08:02 AM PST by fattigermaster (Train for life in prison because they are stacking the bricks and setting the bars around you.)
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To: the scotsman
Your damn limeys love your lies. I don’t believe your damn lies. You Brits cloak your virulent Jew hatred in anti-Israel sentiments. One of worst anti-Semites was Jack Straw. You damn limeys armed the Arabs when you vacated Palestine and refused to allow the Jews to defend themselves. Your BBC is one the the most anti-semitic organizations next to Al Jazeera. Plain and simple, the Brits hate any Jew that dares defend themselves. You also are all committed Arabists, flooding your country with terrorists.
41 posted on 02/27/2013 11:09:07 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: the scotsman
Thou dost protest too much. Your Britain's post-war policy and attitude is one of hugging the thugs in the PLO and the Middle East.
42 posted on 02/27/2013 11:16:52 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: the scotsman
Antisemitism is so natural for your people you don't even see it. Your constant barrage of criticism of Israeli policy with absolutely no criticism of huge human rights abusers like Syria or Saudi Arabia is telling. Israel is a nation defending herself against terrorism. It's not lazy to tell that British criticism is uneven and misplaced.
43 posted on 02/27/2013 11:19:42 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Again, you equal antisemitism and criticism of Israel.

They are not the same: you can criticise Israel, even be violently opposed to it, and not be an antisemite. One is hatred for a country, the other hatred for a race/religion.

The British people have never been an antisemitic people, and we are talking simply anti-semitism here, not anti-Israeli policy. British anti-semitism has been a preserve of the upper class in the 30’s (the Cliveden Set) or the knuckle dragging racist (today’s BNP). Antisemitism is tiny in England, and Scotland, NI and Wales have no history of it.

The British people have never been remotely an antisemitic people. As I said, many of our icons and best loved entertainers, writers and musicians are openly and proudly Jewish. Jewish culture is celebrated (again, I ask: did US television show not one but FIVE different Jewish culture series, as British TV did last year?. If not, the surely you in America are antisemitic, no?). Many iconic British businesses are Jewish.

Our three most powerful politicians are part Jewish. The Prime Minister of Great Britain is part Jewish. Britain had a Jewish PM when you lot were debating Dred Scott. WHERE IS YOUR JEWISH PRESIDENT?. Surely then America is antisemitic, no?.

As to the British not criticising ME tyrants and torture. God almighty. Who was at the forefront to oust Gaddafi?. Who sent planes, ships and the SAS to Libya, whilst America only moved after Britain and France

And if you dont think the British officially or publicly criticise Syria and other ME states, you havent a ******* clue, mate, not a clue. I see more condemnation from the British Foreign Secretary than I ever do from America. And the war in Syria is still frontpage news and the first item on British tv and radio news.

Saudi Arabia?. If anyone is their biatch, its you.

p.s guess which country helped Israel in the 1948 war, using planes to repulse attacks on Israel: Britain or America?. Give you a clue: its not you. So we actually fought for Israel in 1948 whilst America sat on its behind as usual.


44 posted on 02/27/2013 12:21:07 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Sam Gamgee

As opposed to US policy, which in 1956 backed the Arabs instead of its greatest ally, as well as France and even Israel. Allowing Nasser to go to the Communists, as well as allowing him the time and space to build up what became Arab terrorism, which we are paying for even now.

Congratulations America. If we hugged the PLO, you damn well helped set it up.

And didnt Carter, Clinton et al ‘hug’ the thugs in 1978 and 1994?. I dont think they are British........


45 posted on 02/27/2013 12:24:48 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Sam Gamgee

And why did we vacate Palestine?. Whose terrorist gangs was it that murdered and bombed British soldiers, civilians including many Jews themselves, from 1944 to 1948?....

I know the answer, do you?.


46 posted on 02/27/2013 12:27:23 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Sam Gamgee

‘You damn limeys armed the Arabs when you vacated Palestine and refused to allow the Jews to defend themselves.’

Really?. Actually, unlike America, the British were actually fighting FOR Israel in 1948:

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/raf.htm
http://www.spyflight.co.uk/iafvraf.htm

Learn your history.


47 posted on 02/27/2013 12:32:19 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Sam Gamgee

‘You damn limeys armed the Arabs when you vacated Palestine and refused to allow the Jews to defend themselves.’

Really?. Actually, unlike America, the British were actually fighting FOR Israel in 1948:

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/raf.htm
http://www.spyflight.co.uk/iafvraf.htm

Learn your history.


48 posted on 02/27/2013 12:34:41 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
Bullshit from you once again. You guys gave all your resources to the Arabs in the 1948 war. Your own officers in the Jordanian army killed Jews. You damn well know that your virulent hatred for Israel stems from your native anti-semitism. You can be Jewish and be a self hating Jew. And once Britain gets it Muslim majority, then all bets are really off. Good riddance to a country of dirty rotten Tories.
49 posted on 02/27/2013 12:35:12 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: the scotsman
The BNP is the only party that will actually keep you bloody idiots safe from rampant immigration. The BNP would stop the nonsense whereby British citizens are not even free to criticize Islam or immigration without facing jail time. Britain is most definitely a failed state.
50 posted on 02/27/2013 12:37:37 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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