Skip to comments.Retired general says National Guard could help curb Chicago violence
Posted on 02/22/2013 3:48:52 AM PST by Libloather
To reduce the homicides and shootings plaguing Chicago streets, elected officials should consider calling on the state and federal governments for help, even the National Guard if necessary, said a retired Army lieutenant general who spearheaded the military response after Hurricane Katrina.
"Just like we do with any disaster. When the tornado comes, or the floods come, the federal government comes in to help," Russel L. Honore said Thursday at a news conference in Chicago.
"Let's not let this be about pride. 'We are big ol' Chicago, we are too proud, we can handle this.' Maybe you can't handle it. If you need help, get the federal government here. But let's control the streets so children and elderly people can be in a safe community."
Honore, known for his no-nonsense leadership, was in Chicago as part of The HistoryMakers project to record and archive the stories of African-American military leaders. The nonprofit organization houses the largest collection of recorded histories of African-Americans.
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All you have to do is utilize the New York City frisk-policy. Then enforce the laws that you have on the books. Yeah, you would antagonize the local population a great deal by putting young black men in jail, but they are the ones killing other young black men, and women. Within six months....you’d start to notice things changing, and within two years...you’d be amazed at the safe nature of Chicago streets.
If the military can’t stabilize Afghanistan why does he think it can stabilize Chicago?
It may have to come to that.
They too are “stuck on stupid”
If the military cant stabilize Afghanistan why does he think it can stabilize Chicago?
Maybe he thinks the rules of engagement would be better than the ones imposed on American Troops in Afghanistan?
“If the military cant stabilize Afghanistan why does he think it can stabilize Chicago?”
Because in afganistan the locals are not nationalists. They are tribal and have been going back to Alexander The Great, meaning they are wiling to fight and die for a way of life. These punks in Chicago are, well they’re punks and cowards. They won’t stand and fight if confronted with a serious threat that willing and able to take them on (shoot to kill). But, that won’t happen, so things will continue as is, punks win.......
What about USC Title 10? Posse Comitatus?
Oh, never mind, what the heck am I thinking? This regime doesn't follow any laws.
And If we were to become a Truly Religious People again, violence would also be curbed.
I was not aware the NG was nuclear armed?
We can’t use the NG to protect the border because of Posse Comitatus but we can use them to police the streets?
As a former National Guard tank officer, I think that using Guardsmen for urban crime control is stupid beyond belief. They have civil disturbance training but that doesn’t equate to law enforcement. Because the Guard can be activated & sent into situations by the Governor, Posse Comitatus does not apply IMO. Would avoid it and instead use police tactics from other cities that actually work.
I say let the blacks kill each other and clean out the gene pool. If you think this is racist, well it isn’t me going around shooting members of my own race.
Let Rahm and Obama take a steam together.
Worth repeating and repeating and repeating.............
“Retired general says National Guard could help curb Chicago violence”
Can you say ‘third world s^%$ hole’?
He sure as hell stabilized NO after Katrina
but don’t blame Gen Honore or the military for Afghanistan we know who is running that show (Barry’s adminstration) and anyone who makes them look bad by really trying to win will get the Gen Allen-Gen Petraeus farewell kick in the ass
I say since the Ballerina Mayor’s administration is “stuck on stupid”, put General Honore in charge of cleaning up Chicag0 and give him 4 weeks to show results
Now who’s stuck on stupid?
This type of thinking is WAY to common among the cocktail party DC class generals.
Just how would than be done politically correctly? Would the areas surrounding the ghettos be Occupied and stripped to redistribute their wealth to the ghettos?
Adopt "Shall Issue" CCW, Stand-Your-Ground, and Castle Law,, and see what happens in Chicago.
Actually, if you really want Chicago cleaned up, eliminate welfare entirely, and give welfare recipients (and the thugs who mooch off them) a choice of "work or die".
I don’t know why people don’t get that. It’s a whole different ball game.
Rahm doesn’t want his gangland activities interrupted.
Yeah, their first job could be rounding up illegal aliens.
Their second job would be assuming the jobs of those they rounded up.
Armchair swagger and bravado is not very helpful. I live in Chicago, have done so for 20 years.
It’s not just blacks. Hispanic gangs are every bit as much of the problem.
The root problem is family breakdown. Saturating the city with National Guardsmen is no solution.
The increase in crime and shootings is DIRECTLY related to changes in policing tactics, done to save money.
Rahm Dead Fish Emmanuel owns this mess fair and square. He and his sock puppet chief of police (a stupider man never was born) steadfastly refuse to change tactics and hire the policemen neeeded.
The gang problem requires gumshoe police work, not Rambo-types on every street corner.
Wasn’t there a movie (sort of) about this kind of thing, called “The Siege”? That didn’t end well for the NG General, IIMN.
Adding more police will be ineffective.
More police may catch more criminals, but then what do you do with them when the jails are full and the court calendars are clogged? You need a change of tactics wherein you focus on career criminals and ensure they are put away until they are old and gray. Then you take away the incentives of leading a criminal life.
The people of Chicago don’t want to handle, or pay for, this problem. So, the solution is to bring in the National Guard and let the state or federal government pick up the tab. Figure out how much the National Guard would cost and take that much automatically out of the city budget. See if Chicago will go for that.
SO, more people with guns is the answer?
“What about USC Title 10? Posse Comitatus?”
He is wanting to use National Guard troops. Unless placed on “federal” active duty, they stay Title 32 and are NOT subject to posse comitatus. So, this is a backdoor way of getting “semi-federal” military for long term use on American soil.
What is really gauling is how they take ARNG troops from one state and use them in another. I can halfway see them retaining Title 32 status when acting within the state where they, more or less, belong to the governor. However, when they leave their home state, how can they still be considered Title 32?
The Katrina mess opened this up. Most of Lousiana’s ARNG troops were in a title 10 status and over in Iraq when Katrina hit. So, other ARNG troops from other states were used. It really is pushing the envelope.
Because of the high tempo of operations during Iraq and Afghanistan, the differences between Regular Army and ARNG became blurred with ARNG units mobilized to Title 10 status so they could reinforce the Regular Army.
This “general” is out of the Loop. As if Chicago’s police and commissars would “kill the golden goose”.
Sets a bad precedent; Nastional guard hunts street thugs this month, Tea Party Patriots next.
They could keep them in those lovely FEMA camps, if they were not reserved for us.
It depends on the "Problem" you are trying to solve. Rahm has no desire to actually fix anything.
He only needs a crisis to take advantage of to gain more power and control over the rest of the public gullible enough to "do something"
his goal is to allow the predators to destroy the remaining culture so he can rebuild the new society based in his beliefs instead of the founding principals that have worked for over 200 years.
I’d start with the Sheriff of Cook County deputizing a large number of “adult citizens of good character” by posse comitatus, to be armed neighborhood watches, under the supervision of a deputy Sheriff. Each of them would be issued an open carry handgun and bullets, and the deputy would carry a shotgun.
Outdoor gang activity would just stop. At first they would flee indoors, but inside they cannot very effectively do business or maintain control of an area. And with the cooperation of the Chicago PD, who could enter buildings to do their thing, the gangsters would have no choice but to flee their ‘hood.
Then use the Giuliani technique to clear neighborhoods of bad guyz one by one. Once cleared, it is a lot easier to keep them cleared.
So could drones. Obama’s not opposed to killing American citizens without due process, ya know.
Replace the Godfather with Rudy Guiliani and see what happens.
Is this prohibition in the original Constitution or in subsequent laws?
Inquiring minds, etc. Apparently this retired "general" does not see a problem with his suggestion.
You really think Obama's armed peeps in Chicago are nationalists?
You really think Obama's armed peeps in Chicago are nationalists?
You really think Obama’s armed peeps in Chicago are nationalists?”
You must care a lot about this post because posted your reply twice :)
Anyway, I went back and re-read my post. I have to acknowledge that I didn’t do a very good job in expressing my thoughts. Soooo, I’ll try again. Guess I was thinking more about the Afghanistan situation than the Chicago cesspool in stating that they are tribal vs national. Meaning they have no interest in forming a nation as their allegiance is to their respective tribe and its customs and rules. As you may know, many have attempted to bring Afghanistan within their sphere of influence; Greece (Alexander The Great), Brit’s, USSR, and now the U.S. Now, what does that have to do with Chicago and their gangs? Not much I suppose except that they pledge their allegiance first and foremost to their homie gang and not to anything else. Do I think that our military could clean these rat nests out? Sure, it’s had plenty of practice doing so in Afghanistan. But, I seriously doubt that their ROE’s that they would be required to operate under would allow that. Heck, they might not even be allowed to pack live ammo.
Well, hope clarified this some and soothed your festering soul :)
Police presence does deter. My neighborhood has been invaded by gang turf wars precisely because police really cracked down on an adjoining area after a toddler was shot in crossfire.
I agree that courts and prisons are part of the problem. But policing tactics were changed by the Ballerina.
The only real solution is family and society. And not much hope there.
This thread is about using the National Guard. That’s foolish. None of the options are great.
It is the welfare state that allows this chaos. In an environment where if you don't perform productive work, you die, the gang bangers could not exist for long.
“If the street gangs had tried their thing in a solid neighborhood of 100 years ago, the working men of the neighborhood, in order to protect their families and property, would have just lynched all the gang bangers, and that would have been that.
It is the welfare state that allows this chaos. In an environment where if you don’t perform productive work, you die, the gang bangers could not exist for long.”
Hey fellow Bear! Agree with all you say. However, I’m not very hopefull that these festering cesspools will ever be turned around. So, the question is should we, the productive tax paying class continue to sustain these hell holes, I.e., Detroit, Chicago, or cut’em off and thereby force them to relocate? Personally, I’m thinking most of those with a modicum of ambition and self respect have already left these places. So, maybe it’s more cost effective to leave those who remain where they are. Call it tribute if you like. I know I don’t want them around me. Just saying....
They can’t stabilize Alghanistan because of the rules of engagment use now....If we would fight to win and get the HXXX out we would save more lives...
I would wean them off.
First, take all the dozens of means-tested programs, and consolidate them under one program, called "welfare". The programs are spread out among a bunch of agencies to hide how much welfare spending there actually is.
Second, adopt a policy that welfare benefits WILL NOT be increased if a woman has additional kids.
Third, reduce welfare spending to the point where it's not at all worth it for a women to have kids in order to get benefits.