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Large group grouses at sage grouse hearing ( UN 21 in Utah )
San Juan Record ^ | Feb 13, 2013

Posted on 02/17/2013 5:30:02 PM PST by george76

More than 200 people crowded into the Monticello High School auditorium on February 7 for a public hearing on the proposed designation of endangered species status for the small population of Gunnision Sage Grouse in San Juan County.

Representatives from the US Fish and Wildlife Service faced a mostly hostile but mostly respectful crowd. They were there to explain the rationale behind the proposed designation and how it may affect the area.

Two rules are proposed: one would designate the bird as an endangered species and the other would designation large swaths of land as critical habitat.

San Juan County Planner Nick Sandberg explained that challenging the designation as an endangered species may be difficult because it is part of the settlement of a lawsuit.

Sandberg added that challenging the designation of critical habitat may be the best approach for local landowners.

Sandberg said that the comment should not be emotional and should focus on specific and identifiable impacts on the land and on the threat to the livelihood of area residents.

Pleading that the responses should be non-emotional may be very difficult in what has become a very emotional issue.

The frustration that many local landowners feel over the ongoing public lands battles quickly turns into rage over this designation, because it impacts primarily private land.

Approximately 95 percent of the critical habitat proposed for San Juan County is on private land. At roughly 140,000 acres, this represents an estimated 35 percent of the total private land in the entire county.

The impact on private land is significant since more than 92 percent of the land in San Juan County is owned by the state or federal government, leaving just eight percent of the total land mass as private ground.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Idaho; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: Oregon; US: Utah; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; coal; ecofascists; endangered; energy; grouse; sage; sagegrouse; spottedowl; un21; unagenda21
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1 posted on 02/17/2013 5:30:06 PM PST by george76
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Really funny that this bird is found only on private land. Or is the reason that it is, that the government has taken such bad care of its land that the bird can't live there any more?

It's not enough the government has taken a majority of the land in the West -- its goal apparently is to have it all, so that it can all become as worthless as what it has now.

2 posted on 02/17/2013 5:35:41 PM PST by Emile (Leftists are so 'open-minded', their brains have fallen out. -- (HT to GOPJ))
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To: jazusamo; girlangler; Flycatcher; Carry_Okie; GladesGuru; AuntB; SierraWasp; LucyT; Utah Binger; ...

Approximately 95 percent of the critical habitat proposed for San Juan County is on private land.

The impact on private land is significant since more than 92 percent of the land in San Juan County is owned by the state or federal government, leaving just eight percent of the total land mass as private ground.


3 posted on 02/17/2013 5:36:55 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Bureaucrats are getting their feathers ruffled.


4 posted on 02/17/2013 5:41:50 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: george76
The US Fish and Wildlife initially did not plan a meeting in Monticello. It was added later at the request of San Juan County.

At a similar meeting in Dove Creek, CO in January, federal agents from Homeland Security, dressed in tactical gear and carrying weapons, were in attendance.

5 posted on 02/17/2013 5:42:14 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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Wonder why they need tactical gear and carrying weapons ?


6 posted on 02/17/2013 5:50:37 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Jusssttt in case the rubes got restless. Intimidation par exclenece. Agenda 21 and the u.n. suck! BIG! Not enough people know or understand what agenda 21 is all about. Try to spread the word and you get that vacant stare. Sad.


7 posted on 02/17/2013 5:56:41 PM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: george76

Just finished reading “Eco-Fascists: How Radical Conservationsts are Destroying Our National Heritage” by Elizabeth Nickson.

Excellent book on how the government, big corporations, trust fund babies and ENGO’s are implementing UN agenda 21 piecemeal through the Endagered Spieices Act and junk sciene such as biodiversity and conservation biology. In the book the author specifically writes about the sage grouse and other environmental causes that are turning land into deserts.

Highly recommend it. Especially for those in Utah trying to save their heritage and fight big gov. The author gives actual cases/events where citizen warriors fought back and won. She also gives their contact information.


8 posted on 02/17/2013 5:59:10 PM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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Wonder why they need tactical gear and carrying weapons ?

Two reasons. One they have them, so they will use them. This should concern everyone that police department have been given, pushed to buy, or bought themselves, military gear since the World Trade Center was attacked. Almost every police response to anything will more and more become a massive jack booted overreaction.

Second, this designation may confiscate the wealth of land owners in the area, who may not be able to sell the land, use the land, sell mineral rights to the land, and render them destitute. That would be enough to cause some to go on a murder rampage.

9 posted on 02/17/2013 6:00:11 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: george76
When you are instituting a system of "government by jackbooted bastard," they have to dress the part.
10 posted on 02/17/2013 6:12:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: george76

What is that UN treaty that affectingly bans private ownership of land?


11 posted on 02/17/2013 6:15:54 PM PST by Foolsgold (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: george76
Yep. Feds love neglected lands. Reminds them of what's left of their stupid brains.
12 posted on 02/17/2013 6:30:51 PM PST by redhead (PRAY DAILY for a Restoration of the Righteous Intent of America)
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To: george76

The grouse are not doing good around here, because there is no food or habitat for them.


13 posted on 02/17/2013 6:38:03 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: george76

There’s a bureaucratic scam if there ever was one...


14 posted on 02/17/2013 6:47:50 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Vince Ferrer


Two reasons. One they have them, so they will use them. This should concern everyone that police department have been given, pushed to buy, or bought themselves, military gear since the World Trade Center was attacked. Almost every police response to anything will more and more become a massive jack booted overreaction.”

Gives good reason to be concerned about the growing use of drones doesn’t it.


15 posted on 02/17/2013 6:47:50 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Vince Ferrer

They first off need to secure their land by bringing their patents forward and discharging all the debts on it. It gets a lot harder for Corp.Gov to screw you if you don’t have acquiescence through adhesion contracts from public and private debt.


16 posted on 02/17/2013 6:52:21 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: george76

Hurry up and make them extinct. Problem solved.


17 posted on 02/17/2013 6:58:02 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Foolsgold

What is UN Agenda 21? If you do not know about it, you should.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-the-soros-sponsored-agenda-21-a-hidden-plan-for-world-government-yes-only-it-is-not-hidden/


18 posted on 02/17/2013 7:06:32 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Emile; george76
The Deseret Ranch has ten times the sage grouse density as the neighboring BLM land. The reason is simple. Sage grouse eat leafy vegetation. Those plants absolutely depend upon soil disturbance for germination that cows or elk provide. Everybody involved knows it, including FedGov.

San Juan County Planner Nick Sandberg explained that challenging the designation as an endangered species may be difficult because it is part of the settlement of a lawsuit.

Challenge it? They should JOIN it, holding Federal agencies responsible for the loss of appropriate habitat as the superior stewards they are. They should compete with the agencies and activists for delivery of larger sage grouse populations. If the ranchers are fools enough to get sucked into the Hegelian trap being set for them, they'll only have themselves to blame.

19 posted on 02/17/2013 8:28:57 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Big Horn
Most of the grouse in Idaho are lost to predation by coyotes. I've seen only two in 10 years in the Pocatello area.
20 posted on 02/17/2013 11:52:29 PM PST by Myrddin
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