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I think the Gun Control Laws have been put in place and we don't know it.....

Posted on 02/17/2013 1:57:31 PM PST by kas7351

I went to a local gun show yesterday and was just amazed. To begin with the line was extremely long, everyone that I spoke to had the same thought on their mind and that was to spend money at the show....

What amazed me was the price of ammo, I had to pay twice as much for ammo this time then I did back in November. SO here is my thought to the title of this post.

We all have read about the billions of rounds of ammo that the gov't has been buying over the past months. What a better way to limit our ability (or control our guns) than to take away the ammo???? I think this is how they are tipping the scales to control us..... WITHOUT us realizing they are doing it....

I did get mad yesterday when I paid, I asked the clerk if they are paying more for the ammo then before. He smiled and smartly said oh yes sir we are! I have heard from dealers that the costs have gone up a cpl of percent but not 100%! Since the supply is down, the dealers are raping us.... Guess I can't complain too much as that is CAPITALISM at its best!


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1 posted on 02/17/2013 1:57:45 PM PST by kas7351
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To: kas7351

You should have prepared long time ago, don’t come crying about it now.


2 posted on 02/17/2013 2:04:16 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Not crying and I did but you can never have too much... Can You?


3 posted on 02/17/2013 2:05:07 PM PST by kas7351
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To: kas7351

Capitalism, I don’t think so. It’s more of an artificial influence because the ammo is not being used but is being stockpiled.

I know of people burying pallet loads.


4 posted on 02/17/2013 2:06:09 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: kas7351

Enough to take some of theirs away from them or die trying is all you really need.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 2:07:20 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: kas7351
Yesterday I walked over to the ammo case at the local Walmart.

A man was standing there looking at the nearly empty shelves. One box of 50 in 40 S&W was the only pistol ammo on the shelves.

We started talking and 22 RF was mentioned. He said he had a buddy that owned one 22 rifle and did very little shooting, but his buddy had purchased 10,000 rounds of 22 RF ammo.

Small wonder 22 RF ammo is in short supply.

6 posted on 02/17/2013 2:11:02 PM PST by TYVets
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To: TYVets

10K rounds is 50 200 round sessions. Sounds like a years supply to lots of folks.


7 posted on 02/17/2013 2:15:09 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: kas7351
We all have read about the billions of rounds of ammo that the gov't has been buying over the past months.

Too little, too late. The American public has already scooped up enough ammo for an extended revolution.

8 posted on 02/17/2013 2:15:12 PM PST by umgud
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To: umgud

With the way the government’s been making noises about passing gun control laws, I think gun companies should exercise a little gun control of their own and refuse to sell guns or ammunition to any government agencies. Let’s see how the government does without any guns or ammo.


9 posted on 02/17/2013 2:17:20 PM PST by Optimus Prime (Do liberals even qualify as sentient beings?)
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To: kas7351

Americans Won’t Give Up Their Guns, Law Or Not!
A Commentary by J. D. Longstreet
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Ordinarily, I’d agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut , there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.

To those on the political and those pushing gun control — in the childish naivete — You need to understand two things: One — Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That’s one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.
If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs — please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!
For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I’d go so far as to say some are even leaning forward, eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.
Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to pry the weapons from their cold dead hands. Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin — and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.
Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.

I just don’t think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion — PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.
Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world — combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran , France , and Germany combined! SOURCE:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1889966/pg1 Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?
And don’t think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?
A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. ‘Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces.’ SOURCE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as ‘scary looking’ weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. The Justice Department’s interviews also showed so-called ‘assault weapons ‘are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban… .’
Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
Consider this: ‘Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.

The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases.’
Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99

As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns — well within an arm’s length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed either with an edged weapon or a firearm.

Let’s be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.

I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.

A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.
Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.

As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.

Molṑn lab ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army’s demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.
I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.
So what does molon labe mean? Well, it is an invitation — and a challenge — all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: Come and take em.

This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but — intend to win decisively.

J. D. Longstreet

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Molṑn lab ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army’s demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae. From the original Greek molon labe means: Come and take em. Mike Larsen


10 posted on 02/17/2013 2:20:05 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: kas7351

No whining!

Deny. Defy. Do Not Comply.


11 posted on 02/17/2013 2:20:19 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: umgud

Deny. Defy. Do Not Comply.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 2:23:05 PM PST by x1stcav (Man up! We're all going to have to become Samuel Whittemores.)
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To: kas7351
supply and demand...
13 posted on 02/17/2013 2:24:51 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I recently upgraded the arsenal from 7.62x39 AK’s to 7.62 NATO FAL’s.

Had 3 cases of Yugo MilSurp ammo to sell, so I listed it in the local rag at a high price, just to test the waters. Gone in 24 hours, no dickering required. Probably should have held onto it for a few months/years. Doh!


14 posted on 02/17/2013 2:27:50 PM PST by pingman (Trust a lib? Surely you jest!)
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To: Optimus Prime
With the way the government’s been making noises about passing gun control laws, I think gun companies should exercise a little gun control of their own and refuse to sell guns or ammunition to any government agencies. Let’s see how the government does without any guns or ammo.

That's already happened. I didn't keep track, being a casual reader, but there were two companies last week that essentially will be doing this.

The first company said they'd fulfill government/law enforcement orders LAST, their order being military-civilian-local government.

The other company said they were not going to sell to New York...PERIOD. Nothing. Orders already placed by civilians could be picked up from shipping destinations outside NY or they could get a refund, and the NY state gov and local NY municipalities could simply do without their business.

This is the right-wing version of the left's boycotts. We can play the economic game, too.

'bout time we did.

15 posted on 02/17/2013 2:30:23 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: kas7351
I just have to throw in a very amusing bumper sticker I saw the other day:

My assault weapon will never be illegal, it will just become undocumented!

As to the article, I agree 100%.

16 posted on 02/17/2013 2:40:42 PM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: kas7351

I keep a certain supply at home, and I don’t go to the range until I have purchased the replacement ammo.

Needless to say, I haven’t been to the range since early last December.


17 posted on 02/17/2013 2:54:27 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: kas7351

Maybe it’s time to invest in reload equipment.


18 posted on 02/17/2013 2:58:08 PM PST by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: hope

Good luck finding primers.


19 posted on 02/17/2013 3:05:51 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: TYVets

I will tell you exactly what is happening. I went to Wally World this morning at 7:00 A.M. There were two people already at the counter waiting for ammo to be put on the shelves. Minutes later, 8 other people showed up behind me.
All of these people seemed to know each other and apparently go around to all the area Walmarts texting each other if they find out that a shipment of ammo has come in. Anyhow, I exchanged some pleasantries and smiles with everybody and just listened to them talk. Apparently, these guys have no jobs or make going to buy ammo their primary job. Once they get their quota of ammo (Wally world limits sales to 3 boxes of ammo per caliber), they combine what they have gotten throughout the week and offer their ammo for sale at gun shows or online gunsites. Some of them don’t go to Academy Sports anymore because apparently there is a group of illegal aliens (yes, I said illegal aliens) who camp out at Academy the night before and then, being the first in line, these same illegals buy up all the spam cans (usually Russian 7.62x39 or 5.56 steel cased ammo) or bulk brass cased ammo (i.e. Remington UMC - 250 round count). What they do with it, give it to the cartels or, more likely, resell it online or gunshows...who knows? Anyhow, it infuriates me how people like this are making a bad ammo situation even worse.

I am better off than most as I had more than couple of thousand rounds of ammo for each caliber I own before the panic. But, it restricts my range time, because I don’t want to fall below my current levels.

So, I thought I would just provide a personal perspective on this ammo shortage problem. I have some ammo backordered through Cabelas and will likely get it sent to me two months after placing the initial order.


20 posted on 02/17/2013 3:25:25 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: hope

That is what I have been thinking also....


21 posted on 02/17/2013 3:25:38 PM PST by kas7351
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To: kas7351

Retail axiom: Maximize profits whenever possible.

Its not evil. Its just business.


22 posted on 02/17/2013 3:32:26 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: kas7351

Ammo is expensive because it is in extremely high demand. Some retailers have not raise prices much, but if you order from them, you are going to have to wait several months to get cartridges in hand.

People are preparing for a war.


23 posted on 02/17/2013 3:32:59 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 3Fingas

I did th really world tour this morning also. I got up and left the house by 630 visiting 3 stores. I did also run into 3 people who do this regularly and they knew the timing of every shipment. I was able to buy a little ammo this morning, just not exactly what I wanted.

But I did learn the plan.....


24 posted on 02/17/2013 3:34:59 PM PST by kas7351
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To: Optimus Prime
With the way the government’s been making noises about passing gun control laws, I think gun companies should exercise a little gun control of their own and refuse to sell guns or ammunition to any government agencies. Let’s see how the government does without any guns or ammo.

Several companies have done just that. None of the majors though, AFIK.

25 posted on 02/17/2013 3:37:35 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: 3Fingas

haha, yep. Status: Out of Stock


26 posted on 02/17/2013 3:48:16 PM PST by hope (Whom the Son sets free is free indeed!)
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To: 3Fingas

Its called “Profiteering”


27 posted on 02/17/2013 3:50:49 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: kas7351

If you are patient and you want to spend a lot of time running around, you can get some ammo. Knowing the counter person in the store and getting on someone’s text list also helps.
I will occasionally check the stores, but I really don’t have time for it. So, for me, I will place bulk back orders through Cabelas or other online retailers and just wait. My friend, who is a Glock armorer and a neophyte reloader, bought several pallets of 9mm prior to the panic. I thought he was crazy at the time because 9mm was everywhere. I told him that he should have spent that money on 5.56. I guess we were both right.


28 posted on 02/17/2013 3:52:09 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Chuckster

I got another word for it, but yours is better for polite company. :-)


29 posted on 02/17/2013 3:54:02 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: 3Fingas

I don’t have the time either but after yesterday’s gun show, I thought that I would try it this morning.... I like your process of ordering and waiting.


30 posted on 02/17/2013 3:57:23 PM PST by kas7351
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To: 3Fingas
Here is a different slant on buying ammo at Walmart.

A lot of foul language, but could this be happening?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13wMNeC80LQ

31 posted on 02/17/2013 4:03:57 PM PST by TYVets
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To: kas7351

It’s about replacement costs. They may have paid less for the ammo they are selling than their current profit margin would justify but in order to restock they will have to pay more.


32 posted on 02/17/2013 4:10:10 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TYVets

10K rounds is just a little over eighteen (18) “bricks”. One Appleseed session can consume a brick...


33 posted on 02/17/2013 4:10:10 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: kas7351

The wally world federal 100 box/5.56 is a great deal if you can get around ~$38. My cabelas order was for 1000 rounds of Remington works out to something like $48/100 shipping included. .38/round vs .48/round...worth the difference to me to avoid the aggravation.


34 posted on 02/17/2013 4:10:33 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: pingman

.308 is a nice round. Lot’s of punch and availability.

AR10 type is my choice for next major acquisition.


35 posted on 02/17/2013 4:18:20 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: kas7351

As the fighter pilots say - the only time you have too much ammo (or gas) is when you’re on fire.


36 posted on 02/17/2013 4:19:13 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: TYVets

I have no doubt that this is happening all the time. Another variation on this employee corruption is store clerks calling friends and family to purchase ammo they know is in stock.. Same thing with Colt AR15s. They probably get a kick back from the resale of said items. Wally World still gets these in, but they never make it to the display case.


37 posted on 02/17/2013 4:19:27 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: pingman

Good decision on the switch of calibers
Think out to a year or so from now.
Most of the 7.62x39 is imported Russian or middle eastern mfrs

Think oblamoa would just crank out another EO banning importation of that caliber. Imagine the uproar. Owners of AK’s, SKS’ and their variants would be in a bind for lack of ammo

Tin foil hat off.
Btw I just sold my old Yugo SKS to keep different calibers in NATO styles


38 posted on 02/17/2013 4:31:04 PM PST by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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To: kas7351

For all who are worried about the government stockpiling ammo, it should be of great assurance that the government ignorantly assumes that some minimum wage thug hire, given a gun and ammo, is just as capable as a highly trained and disciplined soldier.

Look at the people who hold the majority of the jobs at DHS.

200,000 of them. In real terms, only those who were LEOs before W. Bush are worth a damn. The rest couldn’t hold down a job as a french fry cook at McDonalds.

So give “Supervisor Tyrone” and his company of “Tyrones” Glock .40s and a thousand rounds of ammo each, and what do you get? They might be able to bully a group of crippled, unarmed retirees, but face them off with serious competition and they will scatter.

There are about 20 million veterans in the US. And a whole heck of a lot of non-veterans who are skilled with guns. And a whole bunch of local and state LEOs who will not play ball with federal thugs, either.

And what about the US military? How many of them are willing to attack Americans, just because some Washington empty suit “ordered” them to?


39 posted on 02/17/2013 4:35:19 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I am a little concerned about the question of the military? I am confident that the older vets will do the correct thing and uphold their oath. The younger generation and especially the DHS thugs are a different story.. imho....


40 posted on 02/17/2013 4:45:34 PM PST by kas7351
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To: hope

Good luck finding reload equipment.


41 posted on 02/17/2013 4:46:31 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: kas7351

Always a possibility .... Reloading should be a skill set every gun owner should consider or have available in times like these.

I purchased ten 1000 count #200 large rifle primers today at a local gun show for 38$ per 1000.

Gang molds are available as well are jacketed bullets, 168gr HPBT is the fodder for my varmint, deer, target and personal defense long guns.

Powder is plentiful , as well is new and once fired brass for most calibers.

A simple rock chucker reloading kit is available with dies for less than 500$.

Roll yer own folks. Don’t wait.... Rainy day is almost upon us. Ammunition and spare parts for what you have is key.


42 posted on 02/17/2013 4:53:03 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: kas7351

there are states with price gouging laws on the books.

(primarily for natural disasters and fuel prices)

odd how those laws are not enforced in this instance.


43 posted on 02/17/2013 5:01:22 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I live near a Wally World that has had 12 boxes of Remington 30.06 on the shelf for the last three weeks at $21.97 ea. Not one has sold in that period of time.


44 posted on 02/17/2013 5:04:15 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Renegade

We still have some .40 pistol, 22-250 and a few other odds and ends.


45 posted on 02/17/2013 5:05:55 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Chuckster

The word you’re looking for is “capitalism”.


46 posted on 02/17/2013 5:07:47 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: kas7351

“We all have read about the billions of rounds of ammo that the gov’t has been buying over the past months. What a better way to limit our ability (or control our guns) than to take away the ammo???? “

What a stupid way. It’s like solving obesity by buying up potato chips.

The ammo market was built on a supply a chain feeding sensible continuing demand rates. Suddenly everyone buys all they can, regardless of price, for months - of course the shelves empty out, no conspiracy needed.

Demand will recede and supply will grow, and market balance will be restored. And for all the ammo the government is buying, citizens are buying way more.


47 posted on 02/17/2013 5:09:42 PM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Squantos

Good advice. And there’s nothing like knowing you can make your own.


48 posted on 02/17/2013 5:10:41 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: hope

Reloading only works insofar as you can cut your brass costs by 80-90%. You still need new bullets, powder, and primers for every round - and still need replacement shells after a few uses each.


49 posted on 02/17/2013 5:12:36 PM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: kas7351

The Nazi party filled the ranks of their brown shirts with prisoners, “butch” homosexuals and street scum. And they pretty well got what they paid for. Basically paid rioters to fight paid communist rioters and attack opposition political rallies. No secret that the police detested them.

Once institutionalized, however, they were just annoying and more a nuisance to the Nazi party than useful. So Hitler created the very elite SS, whose first mission was to round up and kill the brownshirt hierarchy, and put their rank and file back in prison.


50 posted on 02/17/2013 5:15:09 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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