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Posted on 02/15/2013 6:48:02 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
Exclusive: North Korea tells China of preparations for fresh nuclear test
By Benjamin Kang Lim
BEIJING | Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:31am EST
(Reuters) - North Korea has told its key ally, China, that it is prepared to stage one or even two more nuclear tests this year in an effort to force the United States into diplomatic talks with Pyongyang, said a source with direct knowledge of the message.
Further tests could also be accompanied this year by another rocket launch, said the source who has direct access to the top levels of government in both Beijing and Pyongyang.
The isolated regime conducted its third nuclear test on Tuesday, drawing global condemnation and a stern warning from the United States that it was a threat and a provocation.
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The US will probably do the “usual drill”. I am sure that will make a big impression on Kim3.
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The US will probably do the “usual drill”. I am sure that will make a big impression on Kim3.
I have heard that the State Department’s Asia Team has no Korea experts!!!
Once again, amature hour is exposed at the Obama White House.
Because of Obama’s stark weakness it won’t be too much longer until some country pushes the envelope and launches some “unexpected” attack somewhere. America’s weakness, as deliberately and starkly portrayed by Obama, unfortunately will likely soon cause much death, destruction and misery.
Benghazi times 1,000?
Would Obama actually pick up a phone at that point?
Democrats response is always the same. “Its Bush’s fault”, what make this any different.
Democrats response is always the same. “Its Bush’s fault”, what makes this any different.
There was speculation posted on another thread that this flurry of Nork nuke testing was actually clandestine testing of Iranian weapons.
What differnece does it make!!!!
They certainly could take some of the million tons of nitrate and urea fertilizer South Korea donated to them and blow it up in tunnel.
Ooooooooo! a NUKE! Better surrender!
1. The Japanese announce that in response to NK they will produce nuclear weapons.
2. The Americans announce that #1 is understandable and that they will be fast tracking a Japanese request to purchase plans for light weight nuclear warheads, the Pershing II missile system, and Tomahawk cruise missiles.
3. Through back channels, the U.S. and Japanese tell the Chinese (and Russians) that they are willing to turn their plans off IF North Korea is dealt with.
Throw the ball to China and they will jerk the leash on NK pronto. They have no desire to have a nuclear armed Japan.
The real decision maker is China. If we are serious about NK then we should look to China's pressure points.
In fact, I would approach the Chinese with an offer to encourage them to invade NK as a humanitarian move. In return, we would agree to not base U.S. forces on unified Korean soil. Let the Chinese occupy NK and try to make some sense of that mess, while keeping the DMZ in place. After a decade or so, the Chinese will be ready to turn the mess over to South Korea.
I think that's akin to: "An angry pit bull has told its key ally, owner Steve..."
The pit bull might be marginally less inclined to bite the man who gives it food every day than it is to bite strangers, but the man is always well aware the possibility of being attacked exists.
Obama is gonna send Kim a few more modern, “green” nukes with less fallout problems.
In the interest of sustainability and saving us from the climate.
It is safe to say so.
I’m betting that North Korea is working on its nuclear program with the full knowledge and support of China, Russia and Iran.
Condoned by China
Russia doesn't care as long as its nuke is directed elsewhere, except that there would be nuclear accident a la Chernobyl and Fukushima
As long as we continue to Free Trade with Communist China....and rack up trillions in trade deficits.....we have no standing in dealing with North Korea and their main sponsor Commie China. Both nations just laugh at us
We raise tarrifs on the Communist Chinese....and both NK. and Commie China will want to deal. Unfortunately Free Traders and Liberals are our biggest threat to national security
If NK wants a nuke so bad, we should be generous and drop a couple on them.
... maybe throw in a fruit basket with a nice note on it too.
I’m sure it’s being discussed by our CIC on the golf course.
N Korea is probably passing information technology to Iran.
I concur.
So how does the world let a madman slaughter his own people and threaten everyone with nuclear war?
People are going to die either way and are dying now of starvation and execution. The citizens of the world can resolve this or the madman, or his heirs, will.
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Question: What do you call it when a small nation spends tens of millions of dollars to build nuclear weapons that they don’t need for defense only to detonate them in underground tests in a game of brinksmanship while their economy regresses to the stone age and tens of thousands of their people starve every year?
Answer: Madness.
Come on, please please have an atmospheric test....
None of which would work.
Because you don't think China has the power over NK, or because you don't think China cares about a nuclear armed Japan?
They are working together on nuke and missile technologies. Probably also the chem/bio weapons.
Because China thinks they are the big kid on the block and won’t respond well to ultimatums from anyone including us. They know our dear leader lacks the stones to do anything.
And no China doesn’t care about a nuclear Japan. NK is building a bomb for America, not for anyone else.
Forgetting Obama, they would have no other way to respond. "Like it or lump it" being the catch phrase. A big part of their keeping "big kid" status is Japan remaining non-nuclear. I'm quite certain they care about Japan going nuclear.
China has a great deal of influence over NK. While NK is willing to starve millions and is thus resistant to pressure from the outside world, they are not capable of withstand being cut off from China.
China may like to think of itself as immune to pressure, but its not. Japan tying nuclear capability to NK force their hand.
The trick would be getting the Japanese on board to just do it, no threat, no ultimatum, just an announcement that it will happen. Giving China the alternative through backdoor channels would allow them to save face. They would act, then Japan would decide they no longer needed to go nuclear.
China supports NK because it is a convenient proxy to hit our pressure points. The natural answer would be to make NK a bigger pain for China than they are for us.
We’ll have to shoot one of those meteors over North Korea like we did Russia today. That will settle them down...
Agreed. And our “leader” sit back and twittle their thumbs.
Curious you mentioned the Japanese. As it happens it’s the Souks that have the most to lose if the Norks get frisky. And just yesterday the Chicoms had a pretty detailed news story about the Souks explaining some of their capability. They just shot off a surface polaris style missile and a sub launched cruise missile in plain view of the Norks complete with a highly visible Israeli style bunker hit. The South guy was carefully explaining how they could put their missiles thru any particular office window in Norkland. I’m guessing the Souks have figured out they can’t depend on Obamuzzie on any particular day so they are willing to light it up if they get spooked———and they have some really good matches.
I have family in SK. For the most part South Koreans love America but don’t have much use for the American Govt. They don’t wait around much.
They don’t want war but most of the people I’ve spoken with expect it some day.
Both charter members of the Axis of Evil
“Question: What do you call it when a small nation spends tens of millions of dollars to build nuclear weapons that they don’t need for defense only to detonate them in underground tests in a game of brinksmanship while their economy regresses to the stone age and tens of thousands of their people starve every year?”
The answer is: demonic possession.
If I read that correctly...we, the US, are going to send a “stern warning”....Obama must really be pissed...wow ! Wait till John Kerry gets going ! BTW, it is true that John Kerry’s great uncle is Minister Neville Chamberlain?
And when the PRC dumps a couple of Trillion $$$ worth of US Treasury Bonds onto the market? If you think the economy is in the toilet now, just see what happens when the 10 year Treasury rate is 8% within a week and the going rate for a fully conforming 1st mortgage is around 12%. Not to mention what that will do to the price of the dollar, the capital levels of banks after seeing their US Treasury portfolio decline by 10 - 15%. The potential of that is the total financial system collapse we barely avoided in 2008.
You were doing fine until the 2nd paragraph.
The yield was between 5 kt and 16 kt.
http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/6288/making-yield-estimates
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Middle_East/article1215608.ece
“The most disturbing question is whether the Iranians are using North Korea as a backdoor plan for their own nuclear program. The Iranians didn’t carry out a nuclear test in Iran, but they may have done so in North Korea,” Levkowitz said. “There is no official information on this... but Iran may have bypassed inspections via North Korea. If true, this is a very worrying development.”
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=303499
They always seem to show up for N.Korean nuke tests. The 2 countries are working hand in hand - nothing new.
Worrying should have begun years ago.
The analysts also found activity in two different parts of the site. They said that if the North detonated the bomb in a tunnel in the northern area, “then the southern tunnel would be readily available for a fourth test.”
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