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Why is the Department of Homeland Security buying so many bullets?
Fox News ^ | February 14, 2013

Posted on 02/15/2013 3:56:08 AM PST by Zakeet

Edited on 02/15/2013 4:03:42 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Online rumors about a big government munitions purchase are true, sort of.

The Homeland Security Department wants to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition in the next four or five years. It says it needs them -- roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States -- for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; ammo; guncontrol; guns; homelandsecurity; secondamendment
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To: ThunderSleeps

Wake up - instead of the usual 1 year at a time deal, they’re supposedly going 5 years out, but we won’t know that for another year. They claim it’s for economy, but since when are they concerned about responsible oversight of our tax dollars? They have thousands more armed Federal ‘agents” than ever before and are buying ammo not typically used by LEO folks. They tell us that it’s OK because they are just saving us money and some folks buy it despite all the lies coming out of their pie holes. I guess it’s easier to try to settle into the feel-good mode of believing they really do have our best interests at heart.


21 posted on 02/15/2013 5:23:28 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Zakeet
because we need half of those hollow point rounds for target practice

If I wasn't paying for my own ammo, you bet I'd be using the hollowpoints, even the expensive $1/round social purposes stuff, for practice.

22 posted on 02/15/2013 5:38:16 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: norwaypinesavage

They want the volume discount!


23 posted on 02/15/2013 5:49:12 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Zakeet

Massive civil unrest in major cities this summer.

Same reason they are desensitizing us to military operations in major cities.


24 posted on 02/15/2013 5:55:11 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Zakeet

Us: “Why do you need a billion bullets?”
Then: “We got such a good deal we couldn’t afford NOT to buy a billion bullets.


25 posted on 02/15/2013 5:59:13 AM PST by DManA
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To: ThunderSleeps

You sure do assume that federal agents spend a lot of time on the gun range. I don’t buy it.

In the late 1980’s I was assigned to a Naval Security detachment on a major weapons depot with possible high-value weapons. We trained with firearms more than most other non-SEAL Navy personnel, and that was still less than 800 rounds per year each, total. That included rifle, pistol, shotgun, and the bulk of it was M-60 machinegun quals.

I hope that DHS doesn’t have 100K agents trained to be SAW gunners.

Currently, I have a friend who manufactures custom ammunition. He just told me last night that he is several thousand rounds behind on filling 9mm orders and can’t find those bullets anywhere at any price.

Something hinky is going on.


26 posted on 02/15/2013 6:07:30 AM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I believe the same thing. I’ve read that a lot of the ammo purchased is 380 hollow points, that same as I have in my 2 pistols. You don’t use hollow points for training.


27 posted on 02/15/2013 6:14:07 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Timber Rattler

I believe the same thing. I’ve read that a lot of the ammo purchased is 380 hollow points, that same as I have in my 2 pistols. You don’t use hollow points for training.


28 posted on 02/15/2013 6:15:18 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Timber Rattler

I believe the same thing. I’ve read that a lot of the ammo purchased is 380 hollow points, that same as I have in my 2 pistols. You don’t use hollow points for training.


29 posted on 02/15/2013 6:15:22 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Timber Rattler

Bingo. Radio talk show hosts never consider this possibility. The government can write as many pretend checks as it wants to and just adds it to the deficit.


30 posted on 02/15/2013 6:26:16 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Zakeet

31 posted on 02/15/2013 6:26:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Zakeet

According to industry information coming from the SHOT show and some other industry sources, ammo manufacturers are producing 1 billion rounds per week. The order by the government is about a week and a half of production.

So it isn’t that much.


32 posted on 02/15/2013 6:33:00 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: norwaypinesavage
The agencies don't add up either. FOX only addressed the purchases made by DHS and ICE but nary a mention of the other dozen of agencies who have made such purchases that don't have any use for them. FOX makes this out to be about future orders but we've known about this for a year. Speaking of the future or possibly ESP visions of the future, we all wondered why the education department needed ammo and (que the Twilight Zone music) then Newton happened and now there's a rush to get armed guards resource officers.
33 posted on 02/15/2013 6:47:08 AM PST by bgill
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To: Zakeet

All that one has to understand that ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IS A LIE!

We aren’t stupid, we know the reason very well and won’t accept the government propaganda lies on this subject.

IT’S TO DEFEAT FREE AMERICANS SO THAT THEY CAN INSTALL COMMUNISM HERE AT HOME!


34 posted on 02/15/2013 7:22:17 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: ThunderSleeps

***That’s 13000 to train with and shoot over 5 years, or 2600 per year. ***

When I was in the USAF we were trained with 100 rounds rifle and 50 rounds pistol per year. That was back in 1966-1969.

Two years we used M-16s, two years with M-1 carbines, S&W revolvers.


35 posted on 02/15/2013 8:10:35 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Too old to cut the mustard any more.)
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To: Zakeet

OBama does what he does becassue all conservatives will do is call RUSH or post here.

God Bless the boldness the left has to get in the street and in our faces.

I wish the right had but .0001 as much.

Ohh but we have to work rather than save our children...

Maybe next week after the BBQ.


36 posted on 02/15/2013 12:53:43 PM PST by NoLibZone (It's time folks. It's time. Posting aint gonna cut it.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
and i don’t even rely on my firearm for work. That’s 13000 to train with and shoot over 5 years, or 2600 per year.

They don't rely on a firearm either, they merely carry one, just as a city cop or a security guard does. Do cops and MPs, both of whom are more likely to engage in a shootout, use 2600 rounds per year?

37 posted on 02/15/2013 12:55:39 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Also 3,000 bullets in reserve per agent, would be HUGE. If or when a big shootout like WACO happens, then bullets could be brought in to supply the agents engaged in the battle, but few if any of the agents will ever see such a thing during their career, so why would each individual nationally, need to have such a massive combat load backing him?


38 posted on 02/15/2013 1:01:28 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Zakeet
It says it needs them -- roughly the equivalent of five bullets for every person in the United States -- for law enforcement agents in training and on duty.

Hollow-points for training? Riiiight.

Too bad reporters are so freaking ignorant.

39 posted on 02/15/2013 7:48:10 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Zakeet
"If you see something, say something."

OK, I see it:

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40 posted on 02/15/2013 8:22:33 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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