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Down On Downton: Why The Left Is Torching Downton Abbey
Forbes ^ | 2/14/13 | Jerry Bowyer

Posted on 02/15/2013 1:33:55 AM PST by malkee

So Downton Abbey‘s message is an anti-class warfare one. The fact is that the spirit of the critics is hard left, and maybe that’s why Downton Abbey makes them so angry, because the success of the series shows that this group does not speak for America.

It also shows something equally important to the future of our culture: that there is no inherent need for good TV to be left of center. Stories sympathetic to virtue, preservation of property and admiration of nobility and of wealth can be told beautifully and to wide audiences, and I suspect they will be more and more in the future.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: classwarfare; downton; downtonabbey; hollywood; pbs
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Haven't posted on FR in a while but this story caught my eye.

And I wondered my liberal friend didn't watch Downton Abbey, even though it's available on basic cable.

1 posted on 02/15/2013 1:34:03 AM PST by malkee
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To: malkee
sorry I must be oblivious, what is a “Downton Abbey?”
2 posted on 02/15/2013 1:39:20 AM PST by Quick Shot
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To: Quick Shot

Downton Abbey is a PBS period drama currently in its third season. It takes place WWI/20s era.

It’s one the few TV programs I watch. I never thought of the conservative/liberal divide in regard to this show, but Jerry Bowyer does a good job of describing it.


3 posted on 02/15/2013 1:43:40 AM PST by malkee
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To: malkee

It takes place in Britain. It’s on Sunday nights at 9pm if you wish to view it, but this Sunday is the last episode of the season, and it’s a continuing story, so you might be lost if you watch it. Kind of a modern day Upstairs/Downstairs, if you remember that program from the 70s.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 1:46:30 AM PST by malkee
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To: malkee
there is no inherent need for good TV to be left of center

Nothing makes me change the channel quicker than a tv character spouting a political or social agenda comment that has no relation to the program.

Broadcast TV needs to be watching the numbers to see what people will/want to watch. Every season, several new programs are pulled within weeks because people won't watch them. Yet, the next season, broadcasters try similar programs with their underlying political and social agendas stuck in the scripts.
5 posted on 02/15/2013 2:01:11 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Downton has had huge ratings here, and especially for PBS. It’s also wildly popular in the U.K.


6 posted on 02/15/2013 2:07:59 AM PST by malkee
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To: malkee

I never heard of it until I started seeing numerous comments about it.

So, I found it on Netflix. Halfway through Episode 1 of Season 1, I was hooked. I caught most of Season 2 on PBS and am glued to PBS each Sunday night for the current season.


7 posted on 02/15/2013 2:17:29 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Quick Shot
what is a “Downton Abbey?

B-side of a Petula Clark 45?

8 posted on 02/15/2013 2:35:04 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I know I have that 45. Now I’m going to have to look.


9 posted on 02/15/2013 2:38:03 AM PST by David Isaac
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To: malkee

And I wondered my liberal friend didn’t watch Downton Abbey”

...and I don’t understand how a conservative can have a “liberal friend”. I had a few and I no longer associate with them. I have liberal in laws coming to town this weekend and I’ll avoid them like the plague.

When I found out my daughters piano teacher of 5 years was a lib, I fired him and told him I won’t knowingly give money to someone who supports the destruction of my country, family and income.


10 posted on 02/15/2013 2:45:30 AM PST by albie (`)
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To: malkee

My parents’ assisted-living building had an “Upstairs Downstairs” viewing group a couple of years ago. They would meet every week and watch an episode or two on video. Eventually they got through the whole series and went back to doing puzzles.


11 posted on 02/15/2013 2:55:33 AM PST by Tax-chick (Oh, what's the point?)
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To: David Isaac

It’s a joke, son. Glad you caught it.


12 posted on 02/15/2013 2:58:57 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: albie

There’s a difference in libs. Some are merely uneducated, and sponges for whatever they see on TV. Others, the ones you want to avoid, are active and pushy.

I used to be a lib until I educated myself. My wife was. Many of us were. But if one grows up and is still a lib, and refused to rationalize their liberalism, that’s when they are no longer innocent, and worthy of back-turning.

Back on topic, I’ve been thinking about getting involved with this show, but I haven’t convinced my wife yet. We don’t have any network or cable TV, so it’s all Netflix for us, and it’s right there.


13 posted on 02/15/2013 3:01:56 AM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: albie

I have a liberal friend, whom I used to work with. He retired in 2004. He is actually a very nice guy, and smart. He’s of German descent and from Chicago, sort of “bad” influences. The German part makes him something of a statist, he is more inclined to favor government intervention than I would ever be. (I grew up in New York City, btw, and by age 15 it was clear to me that most government interventions in the economy are counterproductive, wasteful and unfair. My life experiences have only manifestly confirmed that view.)

Still and all, he is a good enough engineer to recognize things like solar power and electric cars are pipe dreams.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 3:09:00 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: malkee

Not with everyone.


15 posted on 02/15/2013 3:12:15 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: TomGuy
"So, I found it on Netflix. Halfway through Episode 1 of Season 1, I was hooked. I caught most of Season 2 on PBS and am glued to PBS each Sunday night for the current season."

You can also watch Full episodes on PBS.COM look for the Masterpiece tab.

16 posted on 02/15/2013 3:13:54 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: TomGuy
Nothing makes me change the channel quicker than a tv character spouting a political or social agenda comment that has no relation to the program.

And nothing makes me change the channel quicker than seeing two homosexuals kiss, which is what happened in the one and ONLY episode of Downton Abbey I tried to watch. And have never watched again.

17 posted on 02/15/2013 3:15:48 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: albie

A hard liberal that I know (o-bot, overpaid state employee, etc) from my former line of work that I am still facebook “freinds” with her apparently loves it from what little that person puts up.


18 posted on 02/15/2013 3:16:35 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: Quick Shot

If you want to start enjoying the Abbey journey, you should do it in order. Netflix streaming is a good way as is buying/borrowing the discs.

We find it to be a very addictive show.

:]


19 posted on 02/15/2013 5:17:00 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Quick Shot

Hi, Downton Abbey in my opinion is a beautifully written, very well acted drama series on PBS. It centers around an aristocratic lord and his family along with the staff, many who love and respect them. The characters are so well done that I even like the Marxist son in law (wink, wink).


20 posted on 02/15/2013 5:29:37 AM PST by navymom1
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To: albie

How can you convince anyone of the error of their ways if you avoid them? I have a very liberal step-daughter who constantly mouths the usual liberal idiocies. I listen quietly and occasionally make a thoroughly un p.c. rejoinder. She doesn’t agree, but it does make her think. I’m quite content with that for the time being. Just messing with her mind.


21 posted on 02/15/2013 5:46:44 AM PST by driftless2
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To: malkee

Are there any zany, whacky, wise-crackin’ homo characters in DTA who just want to raise a child? Cuz, if a show ain’t got them, then there’s a problem.


22 posted on 02/15/2013 5:51:51 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: navymom1

Jumping in, It is the first TV my wife has actually watched in years. Mostly, she listens with an occasional nod of the head to glimpse something, then back to the computer monitor. For Downton Abbey, she actually comes to the couch and really watches. We had a marathon and watched all the first two years in about two weeks. We were up to speed by the time the third season began.

Taken in a broad sense, Downton Abby is about change. It concerns individuals and how they are personally affected by the broad sweep of transition from what was to what is and to the unknown what will be.

The twentieth century is about the death of kings and political change resulting from dead monarchies. Downton Abby is about the death of nobility and loosening of the ties on society. Lord Grantham is the tragic figure that must live through the relatively short period where the turmoil and literal war are accelerated. He is fortunate to have a family and loyal staff that helps him weather the transition.


23 posted on 02/15/2013 5:58:23 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: malkee

It’s just “Dynasty” with a funny accent.


24 posted on 02/15/2013 6:03:48 AM PST by DManA
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To: MinuteGal

DA ping list?


25 posted on 02/15/2013 6:03:48 AM PST by randita
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To: bert

Taken in a broad sense, Downton Abby is about change. It concerns individuals and how they are personally affected by the broad sweep of transition from what was to what is and to the unknown what will be.

The twentieth century is about the death of kings and political change resulting from dead monarchies. Downton Abby is about the death of nobility and loosening of the ties on society. Lord Grantham is the tragic figure that must live through the relatively short period where the turmoil and literal war are accelerated. He is fortunate to have a family and loyal staff that helps him weather the transition.


You have written the most astute summary of the theme of Downton Abbey that I have read. Lord Grantham, a truly nice man, is a tragic figure. I hadn’t realized that was the definition of his character until I read your comment.


26 posted on 02/15/2013 6:15:55 AM PST by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: bert

Taken in a broad sense, Downton Abby is about change. It concerns individuals and how they are personally affected by the broad sweep of transition from what was to what is and to the unknown what will be.

The twentieth century is about the death of kings and political change resulting from dead monarchies. Downton Abby is about the death of nobility and loosening of the ties on society. Lord Grantham is the tragic figure that must live through the relatively short period where the turmoil and literal war are accelerated. He is fortunate to have a family and loyal staff that helps him weather the transition.


You have written the most astute summary of the theme of Downton Abbey that I have read. Lord Grantham, a truly nice man, is a tragic figure. I hadn’t realized that was the definition of his character until I read your comment.


27 posted on 02/15/2013 6:16:04 AM PST by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: maica

Uh-oh

I did not hit the post button twice.

Another thought about fading cultures. Is the “change” that we are experiencing during the Obama Regime as inevitable as what happened a century ago? Or is it just temporary?


28 posted on 02/15/2013 6:25:18 AM PST by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: N. Theknow

Perhaps you need to re-think that. The kiss, as it were, was a homosexual assaulting a sleeping heterosexual.

There was no gay agenda at play.

It showed an evil, lying, scheming homosexual (ever see THOSE on TV?) imposing himself on an unsuspecting heterosexual male.

The story continued with how the situation was to be handled and how the House would deal with this evil, lying, scheming (ever see THAT on TV) homosexual, and how this assault ruined and destroyed the homosexual.

That scene was far, far from advancing a homosexual agenda. Quite the opposite.

Please watch the series from the start to get a true understanding of the characters involved.


29 posted on 02/15/2013 6:38:02 AM PST by Hulka
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To: bert

Nicely stated.


30 posted on 02/15/2013 6:39:34 AM PST by Hulka
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To: navymom1

Agree.

And the Marxist son-in-law is changing his ways as he begins to understand the positive role of the House in the community and his personal responsibility to the family.


31 posted on 02/15/2013 6:41:54 AM PST by Hulka
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To: malkee

But the real question is, who won the cricket match, the House team or the Village team?


32 posted on 02/15/2013 6:50:54 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: David Isaac

In the UK at least, the B-side was “You’d Better Love Me”.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vinyl-45-record-label-Petula-Downtown/dp/B001UGOX8S


33 posted on 02/15/2013 6:53:23 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: malkee
Stories sympathetic to virtue, preservation of property and admiration of nobility and of wealth can be told beautifully and to wide audiences, and I suspect they will be more and more in the future.

One hopes so.

34 posted on 02/15/2013 6:55:35 AM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: randita; MinuteGal

DA Ping? Thinking the same thing :)


35 posted on 02/15/2013 6:57:36 AM PST by Jane Long
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To: Hulka
I know what I saw and it was two homosexuals kissing willingly. Both were awake. It was the episode where the former enlisted man was trying out as the personal valet.

Go here and see for yourself: You tube link "Downton Abbey Gay Kiss"

36 posted on 02/15/2013 7:01:10 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: N. Theknow
I see.

That guy, on the left, is the one I was referring to. The show advances no homosexual agenda and the homosexual is ruined. . .and rightfully so. . .for his actions being a homosexual and for his scheming, lying and evil ways. . .something you will hardly ever, if ever, see in any other show.

Homosexuals are not a recent invention and this show describes quite well how shocked and repulsed people were when confronted with such activity. . .and does so without trying to say those that were shocked and repulsed were somehow intolerant bigots. Indeed, the show includes the police investigating for arrest on an allegation of someone being homosexual. . .and is done with quiet detachment and no moral posturing. The show is not sympathetic to homosexuals and makes no effort to indoctrinate (like most other shows do).

The show is not advancing a pro-homosexual agenda and cannot be lumped in with other shows that always have the gratuitous well-adjusted, witty and sane homosexual being mature and responsible.

I invite others that view the show to comment.

37 posted on 02/15/2013 7:21:10 AM PST by Hulka
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To: malkee

Also on @ 3 AM Monday on the left coast.
Can’t stay up as late as 9.


38 posted on 02/15/2013 7:42:46 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: Hulka
The aftermath of the attack has Lord Grantham saying that “Thomas should not be punished for something that he cannot help”. The writer has inserted a present day attitude/idea/pc bs into a 1920’s setting. That is a “gay agenda at play”, not the assault on a sleeping heterosexual.
39 posted on 02/15/2013 7:55:18 AM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: N. Theknow

Got a remote control?


40 posted on 02/15/2013 8:03:41 AM PST by GSWarrior (Do you think Jack White and Jack Black get along?)
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To: bert

I watched a PBS special the other night on Highclere Castle which it turns out is used for scenes in Downtun Abbey (which I have never watched). Apparently the guy who does the show is a good friend of the current Earl. They did interviews with the Earl and his wife and it sounds like the show is actually based on their ancestors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highclere_Castle


41 posted on 02/15/2013 8:04:55 AM PST by sheana
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To: All
Elizabeth McGovern, aka Lady Cora, fronts a country rock band. Check it out. Who knew she could sing?
42 posted on 02/15/2013 8:10:53 AM PST by GSWarrior (Do you think Jack White and Jack Black get along?)
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To: GSWarrior
Got a remote control?

Yes, and I used it when I saw this crap. Which is why I posted that nothing makes me change channels faster than seeing homosexuals.

43 posted on 02/15/2013 8:46:20 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: N. Theknow

It depends on the context for me. I hate the tripe that the networks promote about homosexuals. But the fact exists that throughout history homosexuals have been THERE. To avoid the subject entirely seems like historical revisionism. There is a difference between promoting homosexuality and portraying homosexuality. Plus I am pretty certain that DA is not must see TV for the young set.


44 posted on 02/15/2013 9:07:28 AM PST by GSWarrior (Do you think Jack White and Jack Black get along?)
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To: malkee; randita; Jane Long; flaglady47; mickie
Just as many freepers knock and mock good conservative candidates for not being 100% politically "pure", so they knock and mock an intelligent, well-written show series for not being ideologically "pure".

A homosexual is portrayed in the Abbey family manor as well as an Irish marxist rebel. They are woven into the narrative in a way that you don't feel they are there for shock value.....nor leftist propaganda value. Indeed, it's just the opposite.

There are other slices of life.....a moneyed brash American relative, and a young family member involved with a married man and involved in the "shocking" new world of jazz and the beginning of the post-WW1 flapper era. Two murder mysteries are woven into the plot, and, horrors....the story line of a prostitute.

I suggest the critics of this show confine themself to Merry Melodies cartoons and Mother Goose stories if the ups and downs, good and bad of real life offend them so terribly.

Rush himself stated on the air that he's watched every episode without fail....that's good enough for me. If he was offended, he would have tuned out.

Leni

45 posted on 02/15/2013 9:43:25 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: randita; malkee; libbylu; Intolerant in NJ; Liberty Valence; TomGuy; 1_Rain_Drop; higgmeister; ...
Ping to list...

Leni/MinuteGal

46 posted on 02/15/2013 9:58:03 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: N. Theknow
I was turned off by that as well.

It came early in the series; I thought "if they keep on with this gay story-line I'm outta here".

But the gay man was rebuffed shortly after when he tried an advance on one of the nobles. And then he turned out to be the most tawdry character in the series.

I'm with you...I can't stand how they try to sneak homosexuality into these TV shows. But at least with Downton they didn't continue with that story-line...at least up to the end of Season 2.

47 posted on 02/15/2013 10:05:10 AM PST by what's up
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To: GSWarrior
And, who knew Michelle Dockery, aka Lady Mary, could sing jazz?
48 posted on 02/15/2013 10:09:15 AM PST by Jane Long
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To: malkee

Aside from the homosexual tells

It’s a wonderful show

Setting and acting


49 posted on 02/15/2013 10:11:39 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

Daughter recommended Downton Abbey. Picked first 2 seasons up on Amazon Prime for free. I’m hooked. Can’t wait for season three to hit Prime.


50 posted on 02/15/2013 10:32:27 AM PST by MWestMom (Will Americans stop someone who views our children as "collateral damage" in their quest for power?)
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