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Posted on 02/13/2013 9:53:11 AM PST by tobyhill
The National Rifle Association will assert that President Barack Obamas attempt to enact new gun control laws will result in the confiscation of peoples firearms in a new web video scheduled to run in five states and the District of Columbia.
The video will go online around the time Obama begins delivering his State of the Union address, in which he is expected to mention his effort to reduce gun violence through legislative means.
NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam told CNN that the organization based its warning on what he said is a Justice Department document, Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies, that was written in January and given to the NRA.
A Justice Department spokeswoman told CNN that she couldnt immediately authenticate the document, but did confirm that Greg Ridgeway, whose name appears on it, is currently deputy director of the National Institute of Justice, which is the DOJs research arm.
This internal Justice Department memo says an assault weapons ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence, NRAs chief lobbyist Chris Cox says in the video that was provided to CNN before it aired online. Unlikely, that is, unless it comes with something else. Obamas experts say that a gun ban, like the one being debated right now in Congress, will not work without mandatory gun buybacks and not exemptions.
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Gee, do you think Obama has that in mind? He’s an active shooter himself, you know. /s
And, you can take THAT to the bank!
That tells you they were flooded with posts they didn't like.
The comments on that page make my blood boil.
Oh, darn CNN...looks like the Democrats are gonna do great in 2014 if this remains an issue!
The man described himself as a SKEET shooter. That's something completely different.
Time to remind the LEFT-tards the power is the the People, us Gun owners:
Alinsky can work on Communists too! Every please do your part. Call the manufactures and demand they Boycott NY State Sales just like La Rue Tactical and Olympic Arms have!
Pin it all on Andrew Cuomo, make it Personal. We have the power to smack down this Communist bully: Please read the entire list....
Gun Control; Time to Fight
As consumers and 2nd Amendment advocates, we have to engage an economic boycott of all ammunition and firearms covering the entire State of NY; Citizens & Government while pulling an Alinsky Andrew Cuomo when executing the boycott. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules for Radicals)
The embargo ends when the current NY Government agrees all NY State Citizens have a 2nd Amendment Right to own any quantity and all types firearms, those made 400 years ago and those to be made in the future!
The firearms industry from top to bottom completely terminate sales of a firearms and ammunition to all of NY State, citizens to Government to include the Federal Government offices in NY State till the State of NY recognizes the US Constitution and its own State Constitution starting on 12 February 2013.
To the Citizens aka Serfs in NY State
You will suffer till you elect representatives that respect the Constitutions. You made your bed, now go lie down in it! If you are a gun owner in NY you are a Serf, and it sucks to be you. If you are a believer
in Gun Control, great! Now your Government will have no guns too! NY Government can continue to prosecute the criminals without guns or ammunition.
To all Government in NY State
You want gun control for your Citizens and Taxpayers? Well the rest of us out here think that concept is flawed. The rest of the Country think you, the Government should be just as restricted or more so restricted than the law abiding taxpayer .how do you like not having Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines or no Ammunition now? If it sucks for you Mr & Mrs. Government Employee in NY State well it sucks to a NY State Citizen under the current laws too!
Respect your citizens/ taxpayer and Constitutions.
To Industry: Time to break the bullys face
Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren will be running on the 2016 Democrat Presidential ticket. With record sales in other markets, there will be zero impact if all NY sales terminated tomorrow. If the NY State Government along with the SAFE act are not reigned in, this cancer will only spread. Time to fight the bully and make the bully understand in no uncertain terms, the 2nd Amendment is very important, has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with citizens/sovereigns reigning in and eliminating out of control Government, foreign or Domestic.
To the Citizens of the other 56 States
Call every manufacturer of ammunition and firearms and tell them to stand up to Andrew Cuomo and the NY State Government by completely boycotting all sales to NY State till the SAFE Act, Assault weapons ban and any other restrictions to firearms ownership are removed. Respect the 2nd Amendment or pay the consequences. Boycott NY State or we as consumers will boycott your company!
Federal Ammunition, Winchester/OLIN, FN USA, FN Herstal, Remington, Freedom Firearms Group, Colt, S&W, Glock, Lewis Machine Tool, Heckler & Koch, Sig-Sauer etc.
Call the NRA and every other gun rights organization to support the industry boycott of NY State and make sure that Andrew Cuomo owns it!
Contact them all and tell them you support a NY State Firearms and Ammunition Boycott!
Mr. Cuomo owns this. Every Answer, every utterance about this initiative is his. This will end his chances for President in 2016.
When NY State Government Officials complain: ANSWER Call Andy
. When NYC Police Commissioner
Ray Kelly and NYC Mayor Bloomberg whines ANSWER: Call ANDY! When the UN security teams in
NYC complain .. answer Andrew Cuomo ..When hunters in NY complain: ANSWER: Andrew Cuomo .. when non gun owners fear the cops will not be armed: ANSWER Andrew Cuomo. When any NY State Citizen comments, complains, or utters any thought about their safety: ANSWER Andrew Cuomo.
If it drags on and a NY Citizen or Police Officer is killed due to no training ammunition the answer is: Andrew Cuomo
When the news media runs a story explaining the criminals gangs think this boycott is great cuz the Po
Po aint gots noz bullets . The answer is Andrew Cuomo
Andrew Cuomo is your fear, Andrew Cuomo is your pain, and Andrew Cuomo is your lack of security ..your lack of ammunition and firearms.. Governor Cuomo can heal that pain .
When Mr. Cuomo buckles: the left will hate him. The Left will punish him
NO negotiations, NO middle of the road,
Nothing but recognition of the Individual Taxpayers Rights to Firearms Ownership
When NY State Government recognizes the Rights of the Citizens, then and only then will sales resume
MAKE EVERY Gun Grabbing Democrat or Republican politician fear being Coumod by Taxpayers that believe in the Second Amendment.
The Common Sense Solution is already in place: Current NY State Constitution ARTICLE XII*
Section 1. The defense and protection of the state and of the United
States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature
shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized.
For clarity and intent here is the original language from 1777
XL. And whereas it is of the utmost importance to the safety of every State that it should always be in a condition of defence; and it is the duty of every man who enjoys the protection of society to be prepared and willing to defend it; this convention therefore, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, doth ordain, determine, and declare that the militia of this State, at all times hereafter, as well in peace as in war, shall be armed and disciplined, and in readiness for service.
(just a small observation: As read, the citizens of NY State should be fully armed the duty of every man , not the NY State Government or any Employee that takes a pay check from TAX REVENUE. Right now, it is completely backwards! NY State should be more like Switzerland of 2012 and less like Nazi Germany of 1938.)
US Constitution 2nd Amendment, which by the way is now in been affirmed as incorporated and defined to protect the individuals right to own firearms, via the Heller decision
If a citizen and Militia member in NY cannot own it, can neither a NY State Government Agency nor
Employee. That is common sense and that is the current Constitution!
Make Mr. Cuomo recognize that fact. See the rules below and start making Andy Cuomos political life painful or we will be dealing with him and his venal ilk in 2016!
RULE 1: Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have. Power is derived from 2 main sources money and people. Have-Nots must build power from flesh and blood.
How: NY State Boycott of all arms and ammunition, starting with NY State Government, local
Government and all NY State Citizens/Taxpayers/Serfs
RULE 2: Never go outside the expertise of your people. It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
We all know firearms and the Second Amendment. Time to say NO to the Bullies in NY State!
RULE 3: Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
NY State Government will be clueless on how to handle a boycott by Industry initiated by Taxpayers from the other 56 States.
RULE 4: Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
No Rights to own Firearms for Citizens = No Rights, exemptions, or any other weasel language to possess
Firearms or ammunition for Government Employees anywhere in NY
If a NY State Citizen cannot buy the firearms/magazines/ammunition
. Nor can a Government Entity or
Government Employee in NY State
RULE 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is irrational. It is infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
Call Andrew Cuomo, he owns: your lack of Rights, your lack of security, or lack of ammunition or lack of firearms
RULE 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. Theyll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more.
Theyre doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
For those of us outside of NY State: More product available and we end this gun control issue for a while
For those in NY State: Think of this as Chemo-therapy for gun control cancer; the process is not very enjoyable, but the results of killing off the gun control cancer are worth it.
Enjoy watching the NY State bureaucrats squirm and fuss
Enjoy watching the anti- gun types freak when the Government is not armed either! Que Mike Bloomberg, NY Police Union types and the UN idiots guns for our security now! While leaving the taxpayers un-armed
ENJOY ANDREW COUMO GET POUNDED ON ALL SIDES and watch his 2016 chances go away!
RULE 7: A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Dont become old news.
Start this MONTH, it wont last long!
Abe Lincoln took on slavery, so let us free taxpayers that enjoy firearms and the 2nd Amendment from being treated like Dred Scott honor Mr. Lincoln and start the BOYCOTT on 12 February 2013!
Call or e-mail every manufacturer of firearms and ammunition and demand they BOYCOTT all sales to NY STATE! Call and/or e-mail the NRA, NSSF, and SAMMI and demand they support a BOYCOTT of all firearms and ammunition to NY State to begin on February 12, 2013 starting with the NY State Government due to ANDREW Cuomo!
RULE 8: Keep the pressure on. Never let up. Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
The Boycott Ends when LAWS are repealed, not amended, not replaced
REPEALED and Law Abiding
Citizens & Taxpayers RIGHTS are recognized
RULE 9: The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
NOT A THREAT. DEMAND a total BOYCOTT and make sure Andrew Cuomo owns it!
RULE 10: “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.
The enraged Parties such as the NY State Police, Local Police, Government Employee Unions and finally
Citizens/Serf will be plenty of pressure on Mr. Cuomo.
RULE 11: If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive. Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
Common Sense will prevail
RULE 12: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Never let the enemy score points because youre caught without a solution to the problem.
No Compromise: The answers & solutions are already in place, the NY State Constitution and the US Constitution
RULE 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
best to describe him as a bull shooter!
We knew this was the goal fifty years ago when Thomas J Dodd and Emanuel Cellar proposed their first handgun “registration”.
If the antis get a law passed banning certain firearms, you can bet that before the ink is dry they will be back with a new set of demands for more, and more, till there is no more.
Nelson T. ‘Pete’ Shields
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc.
“I’m convinced that we have to have federal legislation to build on. We’re going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily given the political realities going to be very modest.
Of course, it’s true that politicians will then go home and say, ‘This is a great law. The problem is solved.’ And it’s also true that such statements will tend to defuse the gun-control issue for a time.
So then we’ll have to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen that law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal total control of handguns in the United States is going to take time.
My estimate is from seven to ten years. The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country. The second problem is to get them all registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors totally illegal.”
-Pete Shields, Chairman and founder, Handgun Control Inc., “A Reporter At Large: Handguns,” The New Yorker, July 26, 1976, 57-58
“Yes, I’m for an outright ban [on handguns].”
-Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., 60 Minutes interview
NOW they have added certain rifles and shotguns to their “to be banned list”.
Some have said that there has never been any confiscation of guns in the US, but I remember differently.
In Ohio, I believe, many years ago, a city passed a law forbidding the sale of “Saturday night specials”.
An injunction was placed against the city and the guns continued to be sold AND REGISTERED.
The courts sided with the city and upheld the law, the the city sent out notices to those who had bought guns, after the first ban date, to TURN THEM IN.
If the gun grabbers lose a couple of people at every house they try to plunder, they will soon tire of it.
mandatory buyback is outright communism.
at that point there is no mandatory that can be resisted.
mandatory car buyback
mandatory computer buyback
mandatory stock buyback
IOW no private property allowed.
They do not lose the STAFFERS.
The gun grabber staffers remain year after year.
The career leftists of the DOJ stay year after year.
The career leftists of the DOJ become the Federal judges since no private attorneys are accepted any more. (see sotomayor who is utterly unqualified)
Staffers need to go with their bosses.
Absolutely! That’s what bothers me the most. The uninitiated moron out there still watching CNN is going to believe this lie that NRA members and hunters are supporting this BS.
They’re using Alinsky tactics to force the “truth” that is a lie down the throats of the public to push the narrative in their favor.
No it won’t, and no they can’t, that is unless they want a full blown revolution on their hands. Like I said before, the leftists are scared shitless of the sheer amount of firepower possessed by law abiding Americans, and that firepower is guaranteed by the second amendment of the US Constitution exactly to foment the despotic aspirations of a tyrannical government, exactly like the one that is presenting itself to us right now. The leftists hammer away at our freedoms and liberty, slowly chipping away our Constitutional rights, and with it the very foundations of our country. The big question is, what are we going to do about it? Will it be fight, flight, or capitulation?
husband is a nra lifer but he/we will not send the NRA another dime...not since learning they supported that chump from PA who insulted Marines and some of the other garbage they supported...
husband is a nra lifer but he/we will not send the NRA another dime...not since learning they supported that chump from PA who insulted Marines and some of the other garbage they supported...
Loved your post.
In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, “I do not think that word means what you think it means.”
(Offered in friendship and good humor.)
Andrew Cuomo owns this travisty of the Federal Constitution Second Amendment
It was done late at night , a result of backroom construction
with the full complicity of the Democratic controlled State Senate .
It was done in “EMERGENCY SESSION “ , .. but NO EMERGENCY EXISTS !!
No discussion , no opposition allowed , rammed through by Democratic leaders
within 20 minutes !
The only opposition , discussion occured in the State Legislative House .
The Saratoga County Deputy Sheriff’s Police Benevolent Association stated
the Sheriff’s and police thusly :
“ ... assault weapons, which are banned under the new legislation if they have 1 military-type feature, were responsible for 5 out of 769 homicides in New York last year or .007% hardly a public safety crisis for our state.
The Albany County District Attorneys Office prosecuted 4 cases involving assault weapons last year none of which involved their use in the commission of a crime
and a recent FBI report showed that hammers and clubs were responsible for more deaths than rifles and shotguns ..
The SCDSPBA believes this is absurd, serves no public safety interest in the slightest,
and crosses the proverbial line from reasonable restrictions on gun ownership
to outright harassment of law-abiding gun owners.
( Saratoga County Deputy Sheriff’s Police Benevolent Association )
Andrew Cuomo owns this crap legislation just so that he will be noticed
for the Presidential elections of 2016 !
That was “the emergency “~ his notariety !
Restated for simplicity :” assault weapons, which are banned under the new legislation if they have 1 military-type feature, were responsible for 5 out of 769 homicides in New York last year or .007% hardly a public safety crisis for our state.”
The New York law on firearms statewide was motivated by
“.007% hardly a public safety crisis for our state. “
You violate the Federal Constitution for .007 % ?
There are no mpore pressing problems for the State ?
You must be taking publicity lessons from Schumer !!
Governor Andrew Cuomo ,..you are a Clown !
But there are a lot of people out there that will believe the lies and they voted for Zero twice.
See, that’s the whole point of 0bama being shown shooting, and Kerry “gettin’ a huntin’ license here”, etc -
they are trying to cover up their end goal.
Total confiscation is the end goal,
incrementalism is the means,
and we can either help them by “compromise”,
or just say “no”.
The recent gun and ammo “buyup” is not a society that fears confiscation,
it is an indicator of a society getting ready to go to war.
About that picture... the shooter is wearing his watch on his left wrist. Don’t lefties wear watches on their right wrists?
Summary of Select Firearm Violence Prevention Strategies
Both New York City and Washington DC both passed registration laws, on Nields's template, while swearing up and down that they were NOT going to confiscate any weapons, they needed the information for other reasons, that the opponents of registration were being unreasonable and frankly hysterical.
They waited about two years and then sent police door-to-door. One knock, no notice, on-demand surrender your weapon now or go to jail now.
That's how they did it.
I saw two movies not long back.
VIVA ZAPATA, in which the people win a revolution and turn in their guns,then the army attacks.
THE ADVENTURERS in which the same thing happens.
NEVER TURN IN YOUR GUNS!
Quite a rant!
Well, Feinstein et al certainly screwed up on that one. Just try to buy a handgun right now -- they have been selling like "they're going out of style". Even my Dem ex-wife is getting one!
The second problem is to get them all registered.
That will be a huge problem. Most gun owners know that registration will lead to confiscation, and those that don't certainly will when the gun-grabbers get serious about that phase. Even the docile Canadians didn't go for that one.....
The Scots buried their swords when the English started coming after their weapons. Gun-owners will know when it is time to buy strong waterproof bags.....
There is mandatory real-estate buy-back, though — eminent domain.
I have a niece who LOVES living in California because of all the socialism,
but, just a while back, she wanted me to check on the availability of a handgun at a local shop (in another state).
Sorry, honey. Not being able to buy a handgun kinda goes with the territory.
they must have go so over worked and pissed ff blocking pro gun laws and pro 2nd amendment that they have now turned off comments thus making it look at the majority of Americans want guns banned.
What the elft does too is always and I mean always, Powell, Geraldo and the mindless cult of obama , they all pretend to be a republican but rhe GOP has gone extreme, or they go hunting and thye support this, or they don;t need two mags to go hunting, or they come form a hunting pro gun family and trust this clown in the white house to put these new laws into place.
yet again the left strikes down debate, censors, opposing views and then pretend to be on our side but saying our side has gone too far.
Well two can play thta game.
I voted for obama, I trusted him to work in the middle and get things done for the love of the country but he;s gone radical extreme left, so much so he;s now looking like a socialist,.
My family have always been there for the left, we always marched and gave money but obama’s agenda is hurting my family and everyone I know
How is that seeing as we both can play this game
just said the same, the elft pretends they are wiht our sdie but we;ve gone too far and extreme, their words but when you read the comments about hunting families etc we can tell they are radical lefty;s with no idea about guns or the constitution
It should also be extended to anybody from the government agencies that have been buying up all the guns and ammo to keep it out of the hands of the citizens.
I don't trust DHS with taxpayer-provided automatic weapons, or anybody else working for Eric Holder, for that matter.
eminent domain is a taking for a public use and after hearing and a process.
There is no “taking just to detroy”.
The memo draws on comparing this to austrailia where there is no tradition of individual rights. (remember the whole continent was essentially an exile jail)
This harkens back to the king confiscating wealth for his own profit.
John Kerry is secretary of state.
Obama has his sigts on the UN SMALL ARMS TREATY
NOT any law or congress.
If Kerry under obama’s direction signs the treaty, THE TREATY IS THE LAW OF THE LAND REGARDLESS OF CONSTITUTION until (and if) the senate rejects it.
Obama with ONE SIGNATURE bypasses two entire branches of government.
I think the 'taking by the king' was stomped out by the Magna Carta.
Let them try to enforce it. Even the easy-going Canadians didn’t buy it.
nothing that violates the constitution can be the law of the land, according to the constitution...
i believe under the senate consent clause... on foreign treaties...
i will have to research for the exact verbage.
that issue commes up every day in the courts.
consider the fact the recent cruise ship disaster CREW is bound by treaties.
the valid until rejected is under a treaty.
“If the gun grabbers lose a couple of people at every house they try to plunder, they will soon tire of it.”
Why just those that come to our houses? If they attack our families we attack theirs!
Sorry for the late reply I was out of the country on a trip.
Not a rant, just some detailed directions and why!