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Why Rand Paul is Marco Rubio's Biggest Political Threat
National Journal ^ | Michael Catalini

Posted on 02/12/2013 7:56:48 AM PST by JohnPDuncan

David Adams, a Kentucky tea-party activist and former campaign manager for Sen. Rand Paul, remembers a conference call from the 2010 Senate race when the conversation turned to talk of their favorite presidents. Some said George Washington, others Abraham Lincoln. Adams's pick? "Rand Paul in 2016," he recalled.

Three years later, Paul is acting like he’s already preparing a future presidential campaign, courting activists from early-primary states, smoothing out his positions on foreign policy, and delivering a high-profile national address, competing against a potential future GOP rival, Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida.

Last week the Kentucky Republican spoke at the Heritage Foundation, seeking to dispel the perception that he's an isolationist and embracing George Kennan's containment philosophy. The speech comes after a high-profile visit to Israel where Paul, a vocal opponent of foreign aid, met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and called the country America's "most vital ally in the Middle East." Accompanying Paul on the visit were evangelical activists from the early-primary states of Iowa and South Carolina, a sign the senator wanted to shore up his relationship with devout Protestants, a key part of the Republican voting bloc.

On Inauguration Day, when his colleagues packed onto the West Front of the Capitol for the president's address, Paul traveled to South Carolina, an early presidential primary state, to speak at a conservative event.

And Tuesday, he will be giving the Tea Party Express’s official response to President Obama's State of the Union, sharing airtime with Rubio, another potential 2016 contender, who is delivering the GOP's official response.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2016; gop; randpaul; rubio

1 posted on 02/12/2013 7:56:58 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

From what I have seen and heard from Senator Rubio in the past few weeks, he seems to be his own “biggest threat”.

I’ll stick with Senator TED CRUZ all the way.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 7:59:29 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Howie66

Ah yes, Rubio not only has to worry about being upstaged by Rand Paul but now there’s another hispanic who is more conservative than he is to compete with and who rebuked him on immigration reform.

Things haven’t gone well for the new golden boy of the GOP.


3 posted on 02/12/2013 8:01:22 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Howie66

I like what I see of Ted Cruz...


4 posted on 02/12/2013 8:02:45 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: JohnPDuncan

What is Rand’s shamnesty plan?


5 posted on 02/12/2013 8:02:46 AM PST by Sybeck1 (What has the GOP done today to gain your support in 2014?)
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To: JohnPDuncan

There are two things the republicans need to do to win in 2016; nominate a solidly constitutional ticket and avoid the circular firing squad. They’ve shown no talent for either recently.


6 posted on 02/12/2013 8:06:26 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Sybeck1

1) Secure border with a report from an Inspector with Congress voting on it before proceeding (as opposed to a presidential appointee like Secretary of Homeland Security deciding)

2) Normalize illegal aliens by giving them a work visa before they can get a green card and then eventually citizenship with them going to the back of the queue.

3) No welfare benefits for anyone in the program.

I think that’s it. I could be wrong. Bottom line: he doesn’t believe in giving them amnesty but he would normalize them over many years as long as they’re not put ahead of legal immigrants or ones who are already waiting to be naturalized and he doesn’t believe you can have open borders and a welfare state.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 8:09:02 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Having the pleasure of knowing Senator Cruz (albeit on a limited basis) I am confident that he is the real deal.

I really like the guy!


8 posted on 02/12/2013 8:09:11 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Howie66
I’ll stick with Senator TED CRUZ all the way.

I'd vote for Cruz, but has he made any indications of running for the top job in 2016?

If not, I'll take Rand or Rubio over Jeb or Christie any day.

9 posted on 02/12/2013 8:09:50 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: JohnPDuncan

I like Rubio. Great communicator. Hopefully He can reach some people tonight.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 8:11:23 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: JohnPDuncan
False "either/or" premise. It is not Rand Paul vs. Marco Rubio. It is both! And it is awesome that they will each get to critique the poseur's SOTU.

And that's a good thing for America and our true friends around the world, especially Bibi Netanyahu.

11 posted on 02/12/2013 8:12:37 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Sybeck1
What is Rand’s shamnesty plan?

Not so long ago, I read that Rand 'liked' the Rubio plan, but he had not 'officially' endorsed it.

Rubio's plan is basically a rework (very little needed) of McCain's old plan. 'Secure the border' (whatever the heck that old canard means), pay a fine, speak English, yada yada yada.

Rubio seems to insist on that 'secure the border' part. Rubio is either naive or in on the ole shellgame. If he were really insistent on that happening, it could be done with EXISTING laws -- we don't need more laws that won't be enforced anyway.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 8:12:54 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Sirius Lee

Frankly, I would LOVE to see Cruz become Senate Majority Leader.

I am really of the mind that we do not need a former Senator sitting in our White House ever again.

I am also of the mind that before any Senator thinks of running for POTUS, they should serve at least the full term that they were elect to in the beginning.

One only need look no further to what we are currently saddled with, don’t you think?


13 posted on 02/12/2013 8:29:54 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Isn’t it great that Senator Rubio is delivering his response the Dismal State of the Union in Spanish?

Rand Paul/Sarah Palin


14 posted on 02/12/2013 8:32:00 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: justice14

Rubio is been speaking plenty in the past several weeks and I have not been impressed.

I still want to know just why he did NOT vote against Hanoi John Kerry for Sec of State?

Doesn’t that bother you at all?


15 posted on 02/12/2013 8:33:07 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: muir_redwoods

One thing that needs to happen for sure.....Rove has to be ejected from anything near influence with the GOP.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 8:34:30 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Sirius Lee
I love Cruz and agree with you, BUT, he's a Canadian. He can't run. I like Rand Paul, but I think he has his fathers disease of believing the Muslims mean us no harm if we just leave them alone. IMHO, Rubio has something to prove to me that he's not just another RINO.

I love the Tea Party, but there is more to life than just the tax structure. If the Tea Party takes no more issues than just the budget and taxes, they will be irrelevant. How about guns for instance? How about abortion? How about marriage?

If they don't take a stand on other issues they will be kicked to the curb.

17 posted on 02/12/2013 8:35:10 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Howie66

You mean having a governor like Bush massively expand the state instead of a conservative senator slashing the size of government ?


18 posted on 02/12/2013 8:35:38 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: muir_redwoods

Very astute observation, to avoid circular firing squad.

What we will need in 2016 is the best communicator because it will be no cakewalk Vs. Hillary or whoever the Rat’s nominate.

A solid conservative would be nice but he/she must be a superb candidate, who can not be flumoxed by the ever hostile MSM. No deer in the headlight face, must know about the Bush doctrine, and any other gotcha questions, and most of all no stupid comments on rape.

I really am dying for a winner in 2016. Being a solid conservative is never enough to win. Just ask these candidates:

Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Sharron Angle
Christine O’Donnell
George Allen
Joe Miller
Ken Buck
Alan West
Doug Hoffman
JD Hayworth

We don’t need a “nice” guy who will not respond fire with fire or a squishee moderate. Otherwise these would have won the elections:

Mitt Romney
Tommy Thompson
John McCain
Bob Dole

At this point I like only two...Rand Paul & Marco Rubio.
Ted Cruz needs more exposure and time to mature in politics.
He could also emerge by 2016 as a viable candidate.
But election is eons away and I am flexible.


19 posted on 02/12/2013 8:36:11 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Rubio will deliver the pro-amnesty capitulation and sellout of US citizens for the Republican Party.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 8:40:44 AM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Howie66

I am of the mind that any Senator that wants to be president should be immediately removed from office and taken to a mental institution until that point that the feeling subsides!

Being a U.S. Senator is the BEST job ever invented in the entire World. There are only 100 of them. Most are completely anonymous yet wield enormous power. It is almost impossible to lose the job, you only stand for reelection every six years and enjoy an unlimited supply of money to fight off any adversary. You get massive benefits and all the money that you can steel with virtually no chance of ever getting held responsible for your transgressions.

Why would ANY U.S. Senator EVER want to be POTUS?


21 posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:20 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: chuckles

Ted was born in Canada, but his mother was a U.S. citizen by birth. I believe that his father had already become a U.S. citizen by the time Ted was born.


22 posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:26 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

But Cruz lacks that bridge to the ultra-conservative, and monitarily consious wing of the libertarians. He may have some comonality with them on firearms, but that’s the limit of it.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 8:44:37 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: justice14

Rubio is GOPe in light cammo; are you too?


24 posted on 02/12/2013 8:48:07 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Why Potus?

> Free accomodations in a magnificent mansion
> Air Force One for travel & vacations
> Many chefs to prepare any food and it is all free
> Free travel to foreign countries
> Throw as many parties as one wishes in the White House, paid for by tax payers
> Unlimited Free golf at private courses around DC
> Secret Service to protect 24-7
> Gets to appoint 100 Czars at tax payer expense
> Gets to nominate SCOTUS candidates
> Gets to Nominate cabinet
> Bullet proof Limo to drive around in

and a whole bunch more which the senators do not get.


25 posted on 02/12/2013 8:51:42 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Howie66

>> “Doesn’t that bother you at all?” <<

.
Read my tagline.


26 posted on 02/12/2013 8:51:47 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Howie66

Of course it bothers me. Kerry was being nominated whether He voted for Him or not.


27 posted on 02/12/2013 8:52:16 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: editor-surveyor

Nope. I like Ted Cruz more, but He’s not going to be trying for President. If so, He would most likely get my support.


28 posted on 02/12/2013 8:53:39 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: Howie66
I am really of the mind that we do not need a former Senator sitting in our White House ever again.

Well, I've posted several times here my desire that someone with executive experience such as Scott Walker or Sarah run.

29 posted on 02/12/2013 8:59:51 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: JohnPDuncan

Seems to be more and more “plant” stories about Paul vs Rubio......not sure anything is for real.

I do know Id NEVER vote for Paul.


30 posted on 02/12/2013 9:08:34 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: rrrod
"I do know Id NEVER vote for Paul."

Fool

31 posted on 02/12/2013 9:15:52 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Sirius Lee

Agreed. Fully.


32 posted on 02/12/2013 9:16:47 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: JohnPDuncan
When the rubber meets the road, the GOPe is going to nominate whomever they want.

Sure, they'll allow the usual dog-and-pony shows long enough to make the rank and file think they've got a voice, but in the end it's always the same.

All those that want this country back need to stop playing ‘footsie’ with the Republican Party and move on to a third. Unless and until the heavy hitters join forces with the conservative rank and file via a third party, we'll never turn this thing around.

I think Paul, Palin, Bachmann, West, et al, are tremendous, but if they stay in the GOP, regardless of the alleged reason, it's all just talk.

33 posted on 02/12/2013 10:02:57 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: Howie66

Rand Paul/Ted Cruz


34 posted on 02/12/2013 10:21:27 AM PST by Hammerhead
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To: vmivol00

“Rubio will deliver the pro-amnesty capitulation and sellout of US citizens for the Republican Party.”

Isn’t it absolutely amazing that so many members of this forum simply refuse to see or understand this?


35 posted on 02/12/2013 10:24:49 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Sirius Lee

Rumor has it that Karl Rove & Ann Coulter are courting “Conservative” Joe Scarborough for 2016 in case Chris Christie doesn’t live that long.


36 posted on 02/12/2013 10:25:53 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Howie66

“Ted was born in Canada, but his mother was a U.S. citizen by birth. I believe that his father had already become a U.S. citizen by the time Ted was born.”

Are there not “timely measures” that have to be undertaken after the circumstances of such a birth, to comply with U.S. Laws regarding “natural-born” citizenship?

Were those measures undertaken after Cruz’ birth?
Or….?

Better ask these questions NOW.
They will certainly be raised by the ‘rats and media at the appropriate time….


37 posted on 02/12/2013 10:27:23 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Hammerhead

Rand Paul has certainly been impressing me same as Ted Cruz.

Rubio has been tripping warning bells, though.


38 posted on 02/12/2013 10:27:56 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Both are Senators. Neither one is a threat.


39 posted on 02/12/2013 10:29:59 AM PST by upsdriver ( Palin/West '16)
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To: Road Glide

I stand by my opinion that I would love to see Ted Cruz become Senate Majority Leader, so those questions are a moot point.

I honestly believe that he can be much more effective there or becoming a member of the Supreme Court.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 10:31:45 AM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Sirius Lee

Bush used his executive experience to double the size of government. No thank you.


41 posted on 02/12/2013 10:36:37 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: Howie66

I like both Rubio and Cruz.

Rand seems like a loose cannon...He could break bad and pull an Akin.


42 posted on 02/12/2013 11:00:30 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Blackirish

Give me a break. Rand won his race easy in 2010. Akin is an idiot. No comparison.


43 posted on 02/12/2013 11:26:26 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
Bush used his executive experience to double the size of government. No thank you.

I can't believe you just compared Bush to Scott Walker and Sarah Palin.

44 posted on 02/12/2013 12:05:06 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Blackirish

I don’t think so. I think that Rand Paul is a lot smarter than that.

I really do like his style.

Now....with The Media and Karl Rove gunning for him, it should prove to be interesting.


45 posted on 02/12/2013 12:09:00 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Rand is heads and shoulders over Rubio, but still weak (though not as weak as Rubio) on immigration. Rand is the most credible potential candidate on really cutting the size of the federal behemoth. But if he doesn’t straighten out his lenient immigration views I couldn’t support him.

I am very impressed with Cruz.

Rubio is a nonstarter.


46 posted on 02/12/2013 12:20:27 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Howie66

I’m with you

Ted Cruz/2016


47 posted on 02/12/2013 1:04:06 PM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: JohnPDuncan
uh oh
48 posted on 02/12/2013 1:12:22 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Rand is the only one who has actually stood up to Homeland InSecurity’s abusive airport sexual molestion policy. I think he would reign in the nutso war on terror and disaster police state wackos. He has no use for Bam’s national civilian ‘army.”

He is loyal to his dad because he is his dad and I am glad he has that character. However, he’s not a liberal-tarian wacko like his dad. Ron Paul’s most wacky supporters hate him and so that is a good thing.

Ted Cruz is looking real good, too. He can think, talk and walk at the same time. He is intellegent and a fighter like Rand Paul.

We conservative tea party types have a bright future if we don’t form a circle and shoot ourselves like last election. They support the constitutional Republic.


49 posted on 02/12/2013 4:54:05 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SharpRightTurn

he’s all for immigration but he wants them to get in line and secure the border.


50 posted on 02/12/2013 5:26:44 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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