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Boy Scouts Say Gay Debate Was Ignited by a Leak
New York Times ^ | Feb. 8, 2013 | KIRK JOHNSON

Posted on 02/12/2013 5:30:47 AM PST by libstripper

A leak from inside the Boy Scouts of America last month about discussions on possibly ending the group’s national ban on gay members changed the debate itself by creating an impression that change was imminent, according to scouting officials and taped comments from a meeting of scouting’s executive board obtained by The New York Times.

Those apparently false expectations were dashed days later when the board, under intense scrutiny it had never intended, deferred action.

The proposed shift in policy has been portrayed in news accounts mostly as a kind of trial balloon, floated to gauge sentiment about where scouting might go on a hugely divisive question. But the proposal, though seriously in consideration, was not supposed to become public at this moment, Scouts officials confirmed. The plan for the meeting this week was a quiet discussion behind closed doors, they said, free from the outside pressures that have buffeted scouting, especially since summer, when the organization reaffirmed its ban on gay scouts and leaders after a two-year review.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: boyscouts; homosexualagenda; homosexuals
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I learned about this article from an email sent today by Grassfire Nation; hence, the lateness of posting.

If you read between the lines of the first three paragraphs of this article, it looks like the high leadership of the Scouts was trying to pull a fast one and present the world with a fait accompli when they got outed by a whistle blower. After all, if this were only to be, "a kind of trial balloon, floated to gauge sentiment about where scouting might go on a hugely divisive question," then why did the board defer action on what all sources were reporting was a motion that could take immediate, disastrous effect, instead of a mere proposal for a collegial discussion?

1 posted on 02/12/2013 5:30:50 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

So the Scouts have been heavily infiltrated.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 5:40:56 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: libstripper

And that “leak” is, in general, directly related to how the “scoutmaster” expresses his love for his “scouts”?


3 posted on 02/12/2013 5:41:10 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Satan and his leftist minions seek to steal, kill, and destroy all that which is good in God’s eyes.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 5:44:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: treetopsandroofs

The important thing is the board would have changed the policy by now but for a whistle blower.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 5:47:21 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Sounds like Taco Perez needs to go.

(...darn auto-fill...)


6 posted on 02/12/2013 5:52:05 AM PST by moovova
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To: libstripper

“The important thing is the board would have changed the policy by now but for a whistle blower.”

If we believe anything the NYT prints....

And if we do, then it would appear that the Scouts tried to put a big one over on us, and have been delayed in doing so?


7 posted on 02/12/2013 5:53:32 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

I would agree the NYT is highly suspect in this discussion.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 5:56:28 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: libstripper

Why don’t the gays just start a twinkie scouts organization and be done with it?
(yes, I know why, but the question points out their agenda)


9 posted on 02/12/2013 5:56:32 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yeah, it’s a pattern with an agenda.
They never are satisfied with “tolerance”, with having their own liberty “over there”,

because the agenda is to destroy the “normal”, the traditional, that which is based on biblical precepts.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 6:00:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

We need to be responding to these cries for “tolerance”.

Tolerance is defined as being within acceptable measurable boundaries.

When you ask a leftist what these boundaries, they rarely answer definitively, because THEIR only accepted boundary is lack of opposition to anything they want to do.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 6:03:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

And their useful idiots, the people who think they are so damned enlightened by promoting “diversity” never stop to think: if every group has diversity then no group has diversity.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 6:03:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: libstripper

My Tiger scout and I posted an 18 overall out of 60 (All age groups) on his first pinewood derby this past Saturday. We might not get a chance to move up in the rankings next year as this might be all of it for scouting in our house.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 6:05:48 AM PST by Sybeck1 (What has the GOP done today to gain your support in 2014?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Why don’t the gays just start a twinkie scouts organization and be done with it?

A question, or proposal, I have raised time and again though not on FR. Why don't they just start their own organization and those who wish to join can do so. Why do they feel compelled to change the policies of scouting which has existed for 90+ years?

The fact that they won't is the answer to why they won't.

14 posted on 02/12/2013 6:11:59 AM PST by Robwin
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To: Robwin

You are correct, which shows the power of a well placed rhetorical question. It answers itself. Even for some of the low information voters.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 6:13:38 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: libstripper

Yeah, they were going t try and sneak it through, but somebody on the inside blew the whistle and upset their apple cart. Screw them!


16 posted on 02/12/2013 6:13:54 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: libstripper

Interesting.. Yesterday I received a fundraising mailer from the Scouts executive committee asking for donations to help fight against the tide of forced “social change,” and that the BSA had every intention to fight against liberals’ aims to introduce open homosexuality into it. The signer was a high-ranking member of the organization (don’t remember his name).

Sounds to me like there’s some major pushback developing within the organization. I was heartened to see it.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 6:19:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Robwin

There already is one, its been around for almost 10 years. It is called the Baden Powell Service Association (BPSA). Another group called Scouting for All is the homosexual group that is pushing to destroy the BSA.

We need to remember that their goal is to bring BSA down. It is a high moral ground that they can never attain unless it is brought down to there level.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 6:30:54 AM PST by lost in the snow (One PO'ed Scout Master and Proud of the HIGH moral ground)
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To: libstripper

“...creating an impression that change was imminent,...”

It is the fact this vile topic is even open for discussion that is outrageous. The speed of the deliberations is just another aspect of it. The BSA is done for as an American institution that is worthy of any moral respect if they allow openly homosexual members or leaders. This is because homosexuality is a moral issue rooted in the same godly values that Scouting touches on in the Scout Law, in the reference to both “Clean” and “Reverent”.

It should go without saying that sodomy is not clean by any means and carries significant risks to health that has cost many lives and billions of dollars. The lifetime cost of a single young person getting AIDs is in the millions, more than it costs to graduate a single competent high school student from an urban public school.

In their complaint about the loss of corporate sponsors, are the present leaders of BSA telling us they are willing to bend morality for the sake of money? What kind of message and example does this set for the young people in Scouting? They disqualify themselves by this complaint.


19 posted on 02/12/2013 6:45:48 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Robwin

First and foremost...my son is an Eagle Scout. As was Neil Armstrong. The BSA teaches boys the American way. The Communist bastards have turned our schools into socialist anti-American, anti-capitalist training and indoctrination centers. The BSA is one of the few left that instill moral values and a sense of responsibility.

We have to draw the line and take our country back.

The logical solution is for the Sodomites to create their own organization...The Gay Scouts. They can start out as Twinkies and work their way up to Fairy, then Pansy, up to Butterfly Scout. They can call their leaders Bears and Drag Queens.
Perhaps they can get sponsors like KY and Vaseline.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 6:54:27 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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