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Boy Scouts Say Gay Debate Was Ignited by a Leak
New York Times ^ | Feb. 8, 2013 | KIRK JOHNSON

Posted on 02/12/2013 5:30:47 AM PST by libstripper

A leak from inside the Boy Scouts of America last month about discussions on possibly ending the group’s national ban on gay members changed the debate itself by creating an impression that change was imminent, according to scouting officials and taped comments from a meeting of scouting’s executive board obtained by The New York Times.

Those apparently false expectations were dashed days later when the board, under intense scrutiny it had never intended, deferred action.

The proposed shift in policy has been portrayed in news accounts mostly as a kind of trial balloon, floated to gauge sentiment about where scouting might go on a hugely divisive question. But the proposal, though seriously in consideration, was not supposed to become public at this moment, Scouts officials confirmed. The plan for the meeting this week was a quiet discussion behind closed doors, they said, free from the outside pressures that have buffeted scouting, especially since summer, when the organization reaffirmed its ban on gay scouts and leaders after a two-year review.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; homosexualagenda; homosexuals
I learned about this article from an email sent today by Grassfire Nation; hence, the lateness of posting.

If you read between the lines of the first three paragraphs of this article, it looks like the high leadership of the Scouts was trying to pull a fast one and present the world with a fait accompli when they got outed by a whistle blower. After all, if this were only to be, "a kind of trial balloon, floated to gauge sentiment about where scouting might go on a hugely divisive question," then why did the board defer action on what all sources were reporting was a motion that could take immediate, disastrous effect, instead of a mere proposal for a collegial discussion?

1 posted on 02/12/2013 5:30:50 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

So the Scouts have been heavily infiltrated.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 5:40:56 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: libstripper

And that “leak” is, in general, directly related to how the “scoutmaster” expresses his love for his “scouts”?


3 posted on 02/12/2013 5:41:10 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Satan and his leftist minions seek to steal, kill, and destroy all that which is good in God’s eyes.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 5:44:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: treetopsandroofs

The important thing is the board would have changed the policy by now but for a whistle blower.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 5:47:21 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Sounds like Taco Perez needs to go.

(...darn auto-fill...)


6 posted on 02/12/2013 5:52:05 AM PST by moovova
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To: libstripper

“The important thing is the board would have changed the policy by now but for a whistle blower.”

If we believe anything the NYT prints....

And if we do, then it would appear that the Scouts tried to put a big one over on us, and have been delayed in doing so?


7 posted on 02/12/2013 5:53:32 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

I would agree the NYT is highly suspect in this discussion.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 5:56:28 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: libstripper

Why don’t the gays just start a twinkie scouts organization and be done with it?
(yes, I know why, but the question points out their agenda)


9 posted on 02/12/2013 5:56:32 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yeah, it’s a pattern with an agenda.
They never are satisfied with “tolerance”, with having their own liberty “over there”,

because the agenda is to destroy the “normal”, the traditional, that which is based on biblical precepts.


10 posted on 02/12/2013 6:00:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

We need to be responding to these cries for “tolerance”.

Tolerance is defined as being within acceptable measurable boundaries.

When you ask a leftist what these boundaries, they rarely answer definitively, because THEIR only accepted boundary is lack of opposition to anything they want to do.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 6:03:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

And their useful idiots, the people who think they are so damned enlightened by promoting “diversity” never stop to think: if every group has diversity then no group has diversity.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 6:03:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: libstripper

My Tiger scout and I posted an 18 overall out of 60 (All age groups) on his first pinewood derby this past Saturday. We might not get a chance to move up in the rankings next year as this might be all of it for scouting in our house.


13 posted on 02/12/2013 6:05:48 AM PST by Sybeck1 (What has the GOP done today to gain your support in 2014?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Why don’t the gays just start a twinkie scouts organization and be done with it?

A question, or proposal, I have raised time and again though not on FR. Why don't they just start their own organization and those who wish to join can do so. Why do they feel compelled to change the policies of scouting which has existed for 90+ years?

The fact that they won't is the answer to why they won't.

14 posted on 02/12/2013 6:11:59 AM PST by Robwin
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To: Robwin

You are correct, which shows the power of a well placed rhetorical question. It answers itself. Even for some of the low information voters.


15 posted on 02/12/2013 6:13:38 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: libstripper

Yeah, they were going t try and sneak it through, but somebody on the inside blew the whistle and upset their apple cart. Screw them!


16 posted on 02/12/2013 6:13:54 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: libstripper

Interesting.. Yesterday I received a fundraising mailer from the Scouts executive committee asking for donations to help fight against the tide of forced “social change,” and that the BSA had every intention to fight against liberals’ aims to introduce open homosexuality into it. The signer was a high-ranking member of the organization (don’t remember his name).

Sounds to me like there’s some major pushback developing within the organization. I was heartened to see it.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 6:19:12 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Robwin

There already is one, its been around for almost 10 years. It is called the Baden Powell Service Association (BPSA). Another group called Scouting for All is the homosexual group that is pushing to destroy the BSA.

We need to remember that their goal is to bring BSA down. It is a high moral ground that they can never attain unless it is brought down to there level.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 6:30:54 AM PST by lost in the snow (One PO'ed Scout Master and Proud of the HIGH moral ground)
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To: libstripper

“...creating an impression that change was imminent,...”

It is the fact this vile topic is even open for discussion that is outrageous. The speed of the deliberations is just another aspect of it. The BSA is done for as an American institution that is worthy of any moral respect if they allow openly homosexual members or leaders. This is because homosexuality is a moral issue rooted in the same godly values that Scouting touches on in the Scout Law, in the reference to both “Clean” and “Reverent”.

It should go without saying that sodomy is not clean by any means and carries significant risks to health that has cost many lives and billions of dollars. The lifetime cost of a single young person getting AIDs is in the millions, more than it costs to graduate a single competent high school student from an urban public school.

In their complaint about the loss of corporate sponsors, are the present leaders of BSA telling us they are willing to bend morality for the sake of money? What kind of message and example does this set for the young people in Scouting? They disqualify themselves by this complaint.


19 posted on 02/12/2013 6:45:48 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Robwin

First and foremost...my son is an Eagle Scout. As was Neil Armstrong. The BSA teaches boys the American way. The Communist bastards have turned our schools into socialist anti-American, anti-capitalist training and indoctrination centers. The BSA is one of the few left that instill moral values and a sense of responsibility.

We have to draw the line and take our country back.

The logical solution is for the Sodomites to create their own organization...The Gay Scouts. They can start out as Twinkies and work their way up to Fairy, then Pansy, up to Butterfly Scout. They can call their leaders Bears and Drag Queens.
Perhaps they can get sponsors like KY and Vaseline.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 6:54:27 AM PST by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
"Why don’t the gays just start a twinkie scouts organization and be done with it?"

Because that wouldn't destroy the BSA, which is their primary objective.

The objective of the liberals is to destroy any and all organizations built on moral and patriotic values.

21 posted on 02/12/2013 7:25:07 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: theBuckwheat
In their complaint about the loss of corporate sponsors, are the present leaders of BSA telling us they are willing to bend morality for the sake of money? What kind of message and example does this set for the young people in Scouting? They disqualify themselves by this complaint.

There is the root of this, as usual. Always follow the money. The two corporate leaders on the board that are the center of this effort fail to understand the difference between what corporations have to do under threat of law and what a volunteer organization has been affirmed to be able to do by SCOTUS. Any decision that pushes this choice down to the unit/troop/chartering organization level will result in most choosing not to renew charters in order to avoid the liability. Less units = less Scouting opportunities = less Scout membership so the organization dries up to be only a memory.

Another article said attorneys have told the board to expect another legal challenge that might fail at SCOTUS since the last vote was 5-4. I'd say going down fighting is an honorable choice that would be supported by most parents and volunteer leaders.

22 posted on 02/12/2013 7:28:06 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: libstripper

So, why did they “defer” action if the debate was overblown?


23 posted on 02/12/2013 8:12:18 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: libstripper

Ironic, considering the first point of the Scout Law is Trustworthy.


24 posted on 02/12/2013 8:20:48 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: libstripper
...especially since summer, when the organization reaffirmed its ban on gay scouts and leaders after a two-year review.

Which begs the question, "So then why were they still talking about maybe letting homosexuals take little boys off into the woods?"

25 posted on 02/12/2013 8:28:05 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: libstripper
Lettuce remember this is the 96.6% (us) vs. the 3.4% (them).

Queers: "We are the 3.4%."

It would appear the BSA was going to pull a fast one and got found out. Just the idea they would consider doing this, especially after coming out so strongly against the queers last summer, pretty much dooms them in my eyes.

26 posted on 02/12/2013 9:27:37 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

“If we believe anything the NYT prints....”

Read the article. They actually don’t say the whistle blower blew the attempted scam. Instead you have to read it carefully and see how they wrote around the fact that a whistle blower stopped this. It’S much like their several articles on the deteriorating medical condition of Teddy Kennedy where one had to read carefully, look for code words, translate them, and realize Teddy was on a fast train to a very HOT PLACE.


27 posted on 02/12/2013 9:53:21 AM PST by libstripper
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To: Sybeck1

OK, you’ve mad me confess my ignorance. What’s a “pinewood derby.”


28 posted on 02/12/2013 9:55:54 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Check the urban dictionary.


29 posted on 02/12/2013 9:59:50 AM PST by sport
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To: libstripper
Pinewood Derby is a yearly competition between Scouts in a regional area, racing little cars made out of a block of pinewood.

The Scouts must build their own car from a 'kit' that they buy. All kits are exactly the same, and strict rules are followed. The Scouts develop certain skills in trying to get just the right shape, just the right balance, the most friction free axles, and (it used to be) done in a 'father-son' partnership.

And that was the point. It helped to get fathers involved 'with' their sons Scouting Activities.

The fathers built the 'track' these gravity propelled cars race down. My Dad and his friends (other Scout fathers) built the first Electronically timed track to be used in our Regional Area. And they did it in our basement. Which was very edumakational.

30 posted on 02/12/2013 10:56:21 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: libstripper

NEVER believe the NYT.


31 posted on 02/12/2013 11:20:57 AM PST by what's up
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