Posted on 02/11/2013 3:11:37 AM PST by Sub-Driver
Pope Benedict XVI 'is to resign' Breaking news
The Pope is to resign at the end of this month in an entirely unexpected development, reports from the Vatican say.
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Bingski!
Lutherans services are almost identical to a Catholic mass.
...and does that not suggest a problem to you, regarding modern Church praxis...
Lutherans services are almost identical to a Catholic mass.
...and does that not suggest a problem to you, regarding modern Church praxis...
Lutherans services are almost identical to a Catholic mass.
...and does that not suggest a problem to you, regarding modern Church praxis...
...my double posting suggests a problem in finger control...
Where do you get your information that Lanza was exposed to the molesting priest? Is there evidence of that? Or do you just want to connect a mass murderer to the Church somehow?
I’m not a Catholic, but I would like to throw something out to all my Catholic friends here on FR, in the utmost respect and honesty. You are by Brothers and Sisters in Christ, and I plan on spending eternity with you so no since in bickering now! While some light humor is ok in any situation (the “too pooped to pope” comment made me chuckle), I’d caution my Protestant Brothers and Sisters to be careful in your humor...you may end up in a next door eternal mansion someday.
That being said, I’d like to ask the Catholics here if the recent sex scandal in the church has effected all areas equally? I personally haven’t heard of a ton of stories coming out of Africa or Eastern Europe, but admittedly, that may be more because of my local perspective and being an “outsider”. I’m just curious if there are regions of the country that are more or less touched by this.
If my perception is accurate, perhaps it would be best if a pope came from one of these areas, or whatever area that was less touched by the problem. If they can get someone who truly had nothing to do with the scandal (not that Benedict XVI was in any way complicit, but he was involved with the investigation, and I’m referring to someone that truly was completely away from the problem) it may be a great opportunity for the Catholic Church to finally get a clean break with this chapter of its history. Certainly another part of that equation involves a conservative, no nonsense type of person who wont tolerate such behavior...as we should not tolerate it from any minister anywhere. But I’d be really interested to hear what you all think on this.
THIS job, you don’t quit. You don’t quit.
There is a no priest sex scandal, there is a homosexual priest scandal. The free-living, free-sex culture of the 60s and early 70s infected the Church like it did the rest of society. They relaxed standards on accepting homosexuals into the priesthood, believing these men when they said they could remain celibate. Anyone that has ever been around homosexual men know this is not the case with them. Most love young teenage boys and the more the merrier. I think this will always be a problem as long as the Church accepts them in to the priesthood. The vast majority of priests take their faith seriously and are not inclined to homosexuality. The media never mentions this 98% of the priesthood. The liberal media loves to tar and feather the entire priesthood, when that certainly is not the case. The reason for this is while they love the homosexual lifestyle they hate the Catholic Church for it’s unbending stances on social issues like no ordination for women, no abortion for any reason, and for standing up for marriage the way it’s been since the beginning of recorded history. The haters and heathens will never destroy the Church. They have tried for over 2,000 years and it’s still around and will be around for 2,000 more it the world lasts that long, which is highly unlikely.
Okay...a question for Catholics from a non-Catholic who is curious (and is interested in the pageantry and traditions of the church):
I went to EWTN and read the full statement the Pope made about his resignation. The part that hasn’t been seen on FR says that the resignation will take effect at 20:00 (8pm) local time on Feb. 28th.
Now, for the death of a pope, the College of Cardinals has to assemble within 15-20 days. I assume that the same time limit will be given upon the effective hour of Benedict’s resignation? Or, will the College be ready to go as soon as the resignation is effective?
I am assuming that having a Pope in office at Easter is going to be important.
(As a side note: I was too young to remember the election of Paul VI. I vividly remember the elections of JP1, JP2, and Benedict. I am very curious who is elected Pope next.)
Thats an interesting angle on it. I’ve always kind of thought of the idea of someone who struggles with homosexuality joining and then acting out their weakness, but I’ve always thought of it more in the sense of someone struggling with it...but the idea of, if I can venture the term, gays joining as predators is something I haven’t thought of.
If you dont mind me asking a little more, what exactly is the process for being a priest? Like what would a man have to go through, what kind of “vetting” is there (do they have background checks?), and is there any kind of supervisory period from the time one enters the priesthood to when, say, one is given a parish or allowed to work around kids? Maybe it would be a good idea for a priest to work around other men in a monastery for a few years...but of course I’m speculating.
I certainly agree with you that I’m sure that the VAST majority of Priests and Nuns love God and are sincere in their devotion to him and his service. And I recognize fully that I wouldn’t have my Bible today if it weren’t for some Monk somewhere that loved God enough to spend his life transfering words from one page to another. I dont agree with everything the Catholic Church teaches, or obviously I’d be one, but I do find the whole history and proceedures of the Church interesting, and want them to do well as a member of the same Body of Christ that I belong to.
You could read the reviews of "Goodbye, Good Men," at Amazon. Apparently, some homosexuals gained decision-making positions within the Church, which affected the selection and formation of young priests.
These homosexuals used "psychological evaluations" to filter out orthodox, heterosexual candidates, who were then blackballed. I know of three priestly candidates, who I went to high school with, who believe this to be true, and one candidate who experienced this blackballing directly.
really? I never noticed that, quite frankly. In what ways do you see that if I might ask?
I don't think there's any real co-relation to order and the name chosen.
Cardinal Ratzinger chose the name of Benedict after the monk Benedict from the 5th century who formed the Benedictine order and also to Pope Benedict XV, who was Pope during the first world war.
I think these are the same people
Second, according to The Boston Globe and The Advocate (a homosexual periodical), one of Cardinal Law's Boston commission advisors on child sex abuse issues is Fred Berlin, M.D. (Attachment 5) In 1994 Dr. Berlin was Course Director for a training program offered to judges, "health professionals," lawyers, legislators, police officers and child advocacy workers teaching, among other things, that "pedophilia . . . can be effectively controlled with appropriate psychiatric intervention." (Attachment 6) Dr. Berlin and John Money, Ph.D., co-founded a celebrated sexual training and treatment center, The Johns Hopkins Sexual Disorders Clinic. Dr. Berlin described Dr. Money as "one of his most important mentors." (Attachment 7) Dr. Money, as it turns out, was a dedicated Kinsey disciple, the mentor for June Reinisch (the third Kinsey Institute director) and on the advisory board of the Kinsey Institute. Additionally, in an interview with the pedophile periodical, The Journal of Paedophilia, John Money offered his professional counsel that adult sex with children is normal and often beneficial. (Attachment 8)Dr. Money went on to say in the pedophile interview that the Berlin/Money Sexual Disorders Clinic was designed to offer "leeway to judges" to free convicted child abusers. For Money, "decided regarding paedophilia [sic] that I would never report anybody." While many other eye opening details regarding Dr. Money's career could be listed, the above should suffice to illustrate the problem facing the Church. In addition to Cardinal Law's reported reliance on Dr. Berlin, the problem is compounded in that the founder of St. Luke's Institute, Rev. Michael R. Peterson, M.D. (who later died of AIDS), urges the church to rely on Berlin, and Money in a 1985 paper, after warning the clergy that:
[M]alpractice cases involve situations where clerics give advice which is considered by the civil courts to be beyond their sphere of expertise or competence. This advice allegedly causes catastrophic consequences (divorce, suicide) resulting in civil suits."
[Money and Berlin,] the two mental health professionals are considered by me and most people in the field as the two U.S. experts and ones who have had good success in treatment of the paraphilic disorders in the past fifteen years " (circa 1970) at their Clinic.
you are correct that it is better for the next Pope to be from Africa or South Asia
So Pope Benedict is pushing the college to select someone quickly.
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