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Fox News Claims Solar Won't Work in America Because It's Not Sunny Like Germany
Slate ^ | 2/8/13 | Will Ooremus

Posted on 02/10/2013 10:29:22 AM PST by OKRA2012

Thanks to Fox News and its expert commentators, millions of Americans now understand the real, hidden reason why Germany's solar-energy industry is so much further along than ours. Turns out it has nothing to do with the fact that Germany's government has long supported the industry far more generously, with policies like feed-in tariffs that stimulate investment in green technologies. No, the real reason is much simpler, explained a trio of journalists on Fox & Friends: It's always sunny in Germany!

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


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1 posted on 02/10/2013 10:29:27 AM PST by OKRA2012
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To: OKRA2012

Gee, any 8th AF bombadier or navigator would certainly agree.


2 posted on 02/10/2013 10:31:57 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: OKRA2012
Wrong question.
3 posted on 02/10/2013 10:34:09 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: OKRA2012

And here in Michigan all those solar panels would be covered with snow right now.......


4 posted on 02/10/2013 10:34:24 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: OKRA2012

It won’t work in America because we have a bunch of corrupt politicians who give money to political contributors to start bogus solar companies and push out the market from doing it itself.


5 posted on 02/10/2013 10:37:00 AM PST by mnehring
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To: OKRA2012

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/26/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526

...The incentives through the state-mandated “feed-in-tariff” (FIT) are not without controversy, however. The FIT is the lifeblood for the industry until photovoltaic prices fall further to levels similar for conventional power production.

Utilities and consumer groups have complained the FIT for solar power adds about 2 cents per kilowatt/hour on top of electricity prices in Germany that are already among the highest in the world with consumers paying about 23 cents per kw/h.

German consumers pay about 4 billion euros ($5 billion) per year on top of their electricity bills for solar power, according to a 2012 report by the Environment Ministry.

Critics also complain growing levels of solar power make the national grid less stable due to fluctuations in output...


6 posted on 02/10/2013 10:38:21 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: mnehring

You got that right. Money laundering at it’s worst.


7 posted on 02/10/2013 10:42:09 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jjotto

There you may have a good argument against solar power.

But, to claim that Germany has a great deal more sun than the US is asinine.


8 posted on 02/10/2013 10:42:56 AM PST by OKRA2012
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To: jjotto
A U.S. based solar manufacturer tells me that Germany is cutting substantially the subsidies.

"Springtime for Chermany, Winter fur der rest ov de vurld."
9 posted on 02/10/2013 10:44:11 AM PST by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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To: OKRA2012

Actually their bigger point was Germany is considerably smaller. But the bigger point is that solar is just as uneconomical in Germany as it is anywhere else!!! Just easier to hide the mass subsidies!!


10 posted on 02/10/2013 10:45:49 AM PST by ontap
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To: OKRA2012

Will Oremus is obsessed with Fox News

11 posted on 02/10/2013 10:45:55 AM PST by kcvl
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To: OKRA2012

Well, FNC is lurching more and more to the left. Expect more stories like these from lib and RINO talking heads.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 10:46:51 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Faux News is a joke, so they throw a bone to conservatives every once in awhile.


13 posted on 02/10/2013 10:50:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: OKRA2012

Typical ad hominem attack that passes for commentary these days.

Ignore the train wreck that is solar energy with government collusion, and go with: Ha, ha, Fox News is stupid!


14 posted on 02/10/2013 10:50:39 AM PST by Rinnwald
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To: Rinnwald

I agree, but Fox opened themselves up with it, plenty of reasons to oppose solar without staying stupid things like that.


15 posted on 02/10/2013 10:51:46 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: kenavi

Well, that was the plan, but...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-solar-subsidies-to-remain-high-with-consumers-paying-the-price-a-842595.html

...Solar subsidies cost German consumers billions of dollars a year and are widely regarded as inefficient. Even environmentalists are concerned that Berlin’s focus on solar comes at the detriment of other renewables. But the solar industry has a powerful lobby, and politicians have proven powerless to resist...

...[new environment minister Peter] Altmaier’s concessions to the solar industry are all the more baffling given that the German government had announced intentions to cut subsidies significantly, making plans to reduce the construction of photovoltaic systems to a reasonable level.

And Altmaier himself, in his previous role as whip for the Christian Democrats in German parliament, warned that subsidies for the solar industry were bringing about “billions in additional costs, every week, every month.”


16 posted on 02/10/2013 10:52:17 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: OKRA2012

Agreed. I lived there for two years. Yes, they have sunshine, but they also have lots to overcast and rain. It is sunnier than Washington state.


17 posted on 02/10/2013 10:53:52 AM PST by JaguarXKE (Welcome to the new America.)
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To: OKRA2012
What Slate left out:

The reason it works in Germany is because they pay triple the rate per kilowatt hour than we do in the US.

0.25983 Euros = about 35cents per kWh

Here in Maryland, we pay around 9 cents cents per kWh.

18 posted on 02/10/2013 10:56:58 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: OKRA2012

Will Oremus - must have gotten an email from crazy David Brock at George Soros funded Mrdia Matters since he sent them out to all the left wing media about this.

Press Here

"But I incorrectly stated that the chief difference between the U.S. and Germany’s success with solar installations had to do with climate differences on a "Fox and Friends" appearance on Feb. 7. In fact, the difference come down more to subsidies and political priorities and has nothing to with sunshine."

"The fact that the solar industry is so heavily supported by government funds does not doom the solar industry.  In fact, this type of seed money is very commonplace everywhere -- from Silicon Valley to the energy sector.  In fact, according to Greentech Media, every energy source in the last 400 years of U.S. history has been subsidized."

Shibani Joshi joined FOX Business Network (FBN) in September 2007 as a reporter. Joshi brings experience in investment banking, strategy and business development, as she began her career as an investment banking analyst at Morgan Stanley. 

19 posted on 02/10/2013 10:58:06 AM PST by kcvl
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To: OKRA2012
Which is dumber: this nonsense, or a CNN anchor blaming Global Warming for an asteroid fly-by?
20 posted on 02/10/2013 10:59:48 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: OKRA2012

I spent three years in Germany, “sunny days” were rare.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 11:01:54 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: JaguarXKE

At some point you would think that Roosevelt could have stopped the Nazis from building that giant sunblocking umbrella over America.


22 posted on 02/10/2013 11:10:06 AM PST by OKRA2012
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To: OKRA2012

It’s not as asinine as cnn reporterette asking yesterday if the coming flyby of an asteroid was caused by global warming (as reported on FR yesterday).


23 posted on 02/10/2013 11:11:59 AM PST by lafroste
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To: OKRA2012

Living in Cincy, I would not waste the money!!


24 posted on 02/10/2013 11:12:29 AM PST by Patsygirl
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To: ontap
Most Americans tend to think of Europe as being directly across the Atlantic from the US, yet a simple look at a globe or Mercator projection map is all it takes to realize that Paris is situated at a higher latitude than even the northernmost point in Maine, and the southernmost point in Germany occupies a higher latitude than Fargo, ND.

Consequently, yes, Germany, like Alaska, gets a lot more daylight in the summers than most Americans typically experience, but if that leads you to believe that you can lean more heavily on solar power, you're not going to enjoy the winters very much.

25 posted on 02/10/2013 11:14:22 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: jjotto
"At least we don't think global warming causes asteroids. Formica?" "Or does it? In other news, Secretary of Defense nominee Chuck "Chuck" Hagel appeared before Congress today. We take you to Velveeta Jones on Capitol Hill." "Strong today on Free Republic, the ennui." That freaky lookin' critter on Star Wars, name escapes me. ET?
26 posted on 02/10/2013 11:14:22 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Ahhh, you beat me to it.


27 posted on 02/10/2013 11:14:43 AM PST by lafroste
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To: kcvl
In fact, according to Greentech Media, every energy source in the last 400 years of U.S. history has been subsidized."

Say what? 400 years of U.S. history. Lets see, 1789 to 2013 is what, 223 years. Where did the other 177 years come from??

28 posted on 02/10/2013 11:17:37 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: lafroste

Both, the belief that asteroids contribute to global warming and the belief that the sun does not shine all that much in the US but shines all the time in Germany are asinine.


29 posted on 02/10/2013 11:28:06 AM PST by OKRA2012
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To: mc5cents
Even today, many people heat with wood. Just how exactly has the Federal government ever subsidized that?

Free axes, coupons for free chainsaws, anything, ever?

30 posted on 02/10/2013 11:37:02 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: OKRA2012

If every network is responsible for what the “happy talk” shows say — if Katie Couric and Joy Behar are ABC and Kathie Lee and Hoda and the weatherman who pooped his pants are NBC — a lot of stones are going to be thrown.


31 posted on 02/10/2013 11:43:27 AM PST by x
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To: OKRA2012

I heard that Germany is cutting way back on solar energy
projects.

Spiegel reported that the global warming theory has lots of errors.
It was posted here on FR

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2981463/posts


32 posted on 02/10/2013 11:56:55 AM PST by cruise_missile
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To: mc5cents

“Say what? 400 years of U.S. history. Lets see, 1789 to 2013 is what, 223 years. Where did the other 177 years come from?? “

Dr Hansen at NASA


33 posted on 02/10/2013 12:12:52 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: OKRA2012
It's Slate, for cryin' out loud.

I don't even have to look (and give 'em a hit), it's a misquote, edited quote, or a wisecrack in jest.

The fact is, major reliance on solar cannot be achieved in the US, yet.

34 posted on 02/10/2013 12:13:46 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: OKRA2012

Yeah the southwest area really doesn’t get a lot of sun down there. I guess all the old folks that move there do so for the dry heat.


35 posted on 02/10/2013 12:18:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: OKRA2012
Gee - I thought that Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia ...
36 posted on 02/10/2013 12:22:55 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: tumblindice

That is a funny pic. I am often embarrassed by how the Fox babes dress—and I like the fox babes as a general rule, but the fetish shoes, the Leg Chair and all the exposed skin makes me cringe.


37 posted on 02/10/2013 12:25:17 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Hot Tabasco
And here in Michigan all those solar panels would be covered with snow right now.......

LOL My mother was in Jackson yesterday and passed a place that sells solar panels. She said they might sell better if they weren't covered with 4 inches of snow.

Meanwhile, our green governor is happily behind tearing out all of the dams which could actually produce power so he can put up windmills instead.
38 posted on 02/10/2013 12:27:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: FrankR

Easy to tell a new arrival in Germany - the one who keeps asking, “Does it ever stop raining around here?”

Now, clear days were spectacular & appreciated.


39 posted on 02/10/2013 12:32:46 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: OKRA2012

FNC is as bad as the rest of them.
Joshi has no credentials in energy.
Her schooling is in finance.


40 posted on 02/10/2013 12:36:05 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: OKRA2012

“...to claim that Germany has a great deal more sun than the US is asinine.”

99+% of Germany is farther north than the Continental US, farther north than our northern border with Canada. In terms of sun benefit it is on a par with Alaska, and maybe a little worse off. See the photovoltaic visual in the full article.


41 posted on 02/10/2013 1:00:02 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: jjotto
...The incentives through the state-mandated “feed-in-tariff” (FIT) are not without controversy, however. The FIT is the lifeblood for the industry until photovoltaic prices fall further to levels similar for conventional power production.

Germany just ended the FIT for projects larger than 10MW. Projects larger than that must find a buyer for their energy before they build and they must freely negotiate the price of that energy with the buyer.

These solar plants in Germany must produce next to nothing in the winter time. It is pretty overcast much of the time.

42 posted on 02/10/2013 1:01:59 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: OKRA2012
Tell that to the inhabitants of Death Valley.
43 posted on 02/10/2013 1:12:56 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: OKRA2012

“Fox News Claims Solar Won’t Work in America Because It’s Not Sunny Like Germany”

I was stationed in Bamberg Germany from January 1971 to January 1972.

I don’t recall seeing much sun there at all, in the months of November into March….


44 posted on 02/10/2013 1:15:49 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: VeniVidiVici

http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=10548

October 15, 2012

Today the four German transmission system operators (TSOs) officially announced the surcharge for renewable energy pursuant to the Renewable Energy Sources Act (EEG) for 2013, the so-called EEG surcharge (EEG Umlage).

As widely expected it will rise from 3.592 ct/kWh in 2012 to 5.277 ct/kWh in 2013, constituting an increase of 46.9%. Consumers that cannot reclaim the (additional) 19% VAT will pay 6.28 ct/kWh in total...


45 posted on 02/10/2013 1:16:39 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Road Glide

It’s Always Sunny in Bamberg.


46 posted on 02/10/2013 1:29:46 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: mc5cents
Say what? 400 years of U.S. history. Lets see, 1789 to 2013 is what, 223 years. Where did the other 177 years come from??

Columbus, Ohio...

47 posted on 02/10/2013 1:31:34 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Beagle8U
Even today, many people heat with wood. Just how exactly has the Federal government ever subsidized that?

I can't speak for the Feds, but here they do it by making wood burning illegal...

48 posted on 02/10/2013 1:34:25 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: OKRA2012

One unknown FOX reporter makes a stupid statement and the FOX-bashers fly out of their caves like bats at sundown. You have more trust in Media Matters?


49 posted on 02/10/2013 1:35:22 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: dfwgator
"Faux News is a joke"

I always want to spell it, "Fok-Snooze."

50 posted on 02/10/2013 1:50:40 PM PST by redhead (PRAY DAILY for a Restoration of the Righteous Intent of America)
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