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Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity
Los Angeles Times ^ | February 9, 2013 | Robert Faturechi and Matt Stevens

Posted on 02/10/2013 3:33:41 AM PST by deks

David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.

Seconds later, Perdue's attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue.

"I don't want to use the word buffoonery but it really is unbridled police lawlessness," said Robert Sheahen, Perdue's attorney. "These people need training and they need restraint."

Perdue's attorneys said their client was shot at without warning.

"As you know, officers of the Torrance Police Department attempted to kill Mr. Perdue" Thursday, the attorneys wrote in a letter to the agency's chief.

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In Perdue's case, his attorney said he wasn't struck by bullets or glass but was injured in the car wreck, suffering a concussion and an injury to his shoulder. The LAX baggage handler hasn't been able to work since, and his car is totaled, Sheahen said.

"When Torrance issues this ridiculous statement saying he wasn't injured, all they mean is he wasn't killed," his attorney said, referring to a press release reporting "no visible injuries" to Perdue.

A department spokesman said Saturday that the shooting is still under investigation. In a statement to The Times, the department said: "The circumstances of the incident known to the responding officers would have led a reasonable officer under normal circumstances — and these were far from normal circumstances — to believe that fellow officers were being shot at and that the vehicle traveling toward them posed a serious risk.

"In the split seconds available to them," the statement continued, "action was appropriate to intervene and stop the actions of the driver of that vehicle."

1 posted on 02/10/2013 3:33:58 AM PST by deks
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To: deks

Just an observation. Let’s review how US troops ended up reacting in Iraq....after a year or two there. They’d readily fire on any suspicious car that they felt was going to make a run at the entry point or if the driver showed any unusual head movements. It’s only taken the LA cops three days to reach this point.

If this guy stays hidden for the next thirty days....I’d take a humble guess of a dozen innocent people either wounded or dead from the LA cops. The city will be facing court action that amounts to half-a-billion....if you ask me. If he stays out for a hundred days....it might even get close to a billion that they have to pay out and settle on. This guy could bankrupt the city of LA....eventually.


2 posted on 02/10/2013 3:42:44 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: deks
It is a good thing that the police are incompetent in their attempts to kill regular citizens. They are in the process of creating more resentment against the police. Citizens will view the police as a threat, will not call them to report anything and fear that any involvement could lead to their own death. Each of the officers involved in these incidents need to be fired and charged appropriately. The individuals victimized should be compensated generously. If there are no actions against the police after internal investigations, the seeds of more actions against the police will have been planted.
3 posted on 02/10/2013 3:48:11 AM PST by Truth29
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To: deks

The Keystone Cops are shooting first... well... they did ask him questions and then shooting this time.. lol.

This is so ridiculous


4 posted on 02/10/2013 3:51:19 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: deks

Another case of attempted murder by cops


5 posted on 02/10/2013 3:52:21 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: deks
Connie Rice, a civil rights attorney, said it's not surprising when police make mistakes during manhunts.

"They don't know where he is, and they're going to be edgy and jumpy," she said. "Don't get in their way. They're in a special state of consciousness right now, and they're not used to being hunted."

Perdue's attorneys said their client was shot at without warning.

"As you know, officers of the Torrance Police Department attempted to kill Mr. Perdue" Thursday, the attorneys wrote in a letter to the agency's chief.

Skinny White guy and his wife mistaken for very large Black guy. Wrong make of PU, Wrong Color. But his car was shot at and rammed. Insane even by CA standards.

But then you remember the idiots in Tucson who shot 30+ bullets into the X-Marine in his home after they kicked in his door. That one has gone silent for quite a while. Legal system is sorting it out. /sarcasm Militarization of the Police is a serious mistake. When you give children toys they are compelled to use them.

6 posted on 02/10/2013 3:55:33 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: deks

One could almost be led to believe there is a substantial cash prize to the cop who kills Dorner.


7 posted on 02/10/2013 4:01:14 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: deks

This is the kind of crap that happens when you give sheep guns and badges. I couldn’t live with myself having even fired at an innocent much less injure or kill. It’s one of the things that drives me to train hours on end and spend thousands of my own money on eqipment and training.


8 posted on 02/10/2013 4:09:21 AM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: deks

I wonder what he was driving. Was it even close to Dormers?


9 posted on 02/10/2013 4:22:52 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Apparently, anyone driving a pickup truck is fair game.

Soon asking a friend to “ride shotgun” may take on literal meaning.


10 posted on 02/10/2013 4:32:37 AM PST by fattigermaster (When tigers hunt, the jackals profit...when tigers sleep, the jackals rule.)
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To: deks

Multiply this by millions and you can see what will happen when they start confiscating firearms from people determined not to give them up.

When they start shooting innocents just for refusing to give up their Constitutionally rightfully owned weapons and the people start shooting back there is going to be hell to pay.

Think about how many people you are getting ready to get killed Feinstein you friggin idiot.


11 posted on 02/10/2013 4:34:02 AM PST by Venturer
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To: deks

So does this mean that the Police and the DA will afford Citizens the same level of scrutiny, should they MISTAKENLY SHOOT THE WRONG PERSON??? Thats what I thought, Arrest and Charge ALL OF THEM for FIRST DEGREE ATTEMPTED MURDER.


12 posted on 02/10/2013 4:34:09 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: deks
Maybe LAPD should publish a list of all the vehicles they suspect Dorner of owning - Grey Titan, Blue Tacoma, Grey Ridgeline, etc. so that people who drive them can be aware that the cops might be suspicious of them.

(Unless of course LAPD wants us to believe that cops in SoCal are just opening fire at random on innocent civilians. Which could never happen. Could it?)

13 posted on 02/10/2013 4:34:23 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
-- Maybe LAPD should publish a list of all the vehicles they suspect Dorner of owning --

At this point, his vehicle being burnt and useless, the criteria is "what vehicle is he driving." I'd say any vehicle is now fair game, from the LAPD's perspective.

14 posted on 02/10/2013 4:41:16 AM PST by Cboldt
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: "The circumstances of the incident known to the responding officers would have led a reasonable officer under normal circumstances — and these were far from normal circumstances — to believe that fellow officers were being shot at and that the vehicle traveling toward them posed a serious risk."

Simple question, would this excuse keep the DA from charging someone else? Simple answer - you'd be going to prison.

15 posted on 02/10/2013 4:59:24 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: deks

Good grief, these Citizens need to get themselves armed and fast. They are missing an opportunity to prune the LA police of some bad guys.


16 posted on 02/10/2013 4:59:24 AM PST by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: Ajnin

Couple of things,
I do not think i could do you job without really really going crazy
And are you writing a book about your current experience?
Are you even allowed to?


17 posted on 02/10/2013 5:03:29 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((fubo))
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To: GeronL

If he had a dog both he and the dog would be shot dead by the foolish LAPD.


18 posted on 02/10/2013 5:03:29 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: deks
"Nobody trains police officers to look for one of their own," said Maria Haberfeld, a police training professor

That's a very weak red herring. But it appears that the absence of a "what to do if it's a policeman" chapter means that they decide that any other rules -- know what you're shooting at -- simply don't apply.

19 posted on 02/10/2013 5:05:27 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: iopscusa

20 posted on 02/10/2013 5:06:06 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: deks

Dorner might be loony tunes but everything he is saying about the Cali cops seems to be coming true.

From state police, we move to Police State.


21 posted on 02/10/2013 5:07:10 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: deks

The LA cops have demonstated they are too emotuional to work on this case . .


22 posted on 02/10/2013 5:19:45 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: deks
Godallmightydamn!
The Torrance POlice chief offers to pay Mr Perdue’s medical bill and get him a rental car until his truck is repaired?
The Los Angeles POlice chief offer the woman they shot up a new truck?
A “civil rights lawyer” (proper spelling ambulance chaser) says, Well the POlice are not used to being hunted and are on edge?

The POlice dept really has turned into jackbooted thugs.
Jackbooted thugs with machine guns. Godallmightydamn!!!!

23 posted on 02/10/2013 5:22:54 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: deks

The police officers, their supervisors, and their dept. chiefs should be charge with attempted murder.

In the “Blue Pickup Truck” case, the police were obviously trying to kill BOTH people in the truck - see the rear window.

Except that, there is some fortune on the side of the people whom the police have tried to kill, there is otherwise no “mistake” nor “accident” here - it is attempted murder; these police doing these shootings are NO DIFFERENT than the alleged perp (Dorner) whom they - we are told - are trying to pursue, er kill.

The governor and people of California just sit there, hoping, “Gee, I hope ‘they’ get this out of their system.”

You’re watching *THE NATURE OF GOVERNMENT* and learning WHY IT MUST BE LIMITED.


24 posted on 02/10/2013 5:34:34 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: deks
when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.

I realize I am just a dumb ignorant citizen sheep...but the guy they pulled over is a skinny white guy....not a six foot large black man....

How can the Torrance police think this guy was involved with this dorner leftwing wackco... After they pulled him over and questioned him...?

25 posted on 02/10/2013 5:48:32 AM PST by JZoback
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To: deks
Looks like the gungrabbers need to modify their mantra:

"The only people who should have guns are the police and the military.

26 posted on 02/10/2013 5:53:52 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: deks

27 posted on 02/10/2013 5:54:55 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: deks

Sue Torrance for every penny they’ve got.

And will somebody please confiscate the firearms of the Keystone Kops!


28 posted on 02/10/2013 6:00:18 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: pepsionice
If this guy stays hidden for the next thirty days....I’d take a humble guess of a dozen innocent people either wounded or dead from the LA cops. The city will be facing court action that amounts to half-a-billion....if you ask me. If he stays out for a hundred days....it might even get close to a billion that they have to pay out and settle on. This guy could bankrupt the city of LA....eventually.

This is just one guy.

Imagine going after 10 million soon to be outlaw gun owners.

29 posted on 02/10/2013 6:06:41 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: pepsionice

Yes, we should all remember that only these trained professionals are capable of handling the fine art of protecting us. Does anyone think the general population would be treated the same for opening fire on a few innocent citizens? It just backs up my knowledge that the average police officer is inferior in ability to handle a firearm in a stressful situation than the average CCW holder.


30 posted on 02/10/2013 6:08:22 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: Tupelo

The LAPD has been this way for a long time. Go back to the TV series of the 60s and 70s and their scenes of the academy with recruits singing “We are the PD, mighty mighty PD...” There’s long been this military motif in LA. I used to think it was a coping mechanism for having to police a city of 4 million with 8,000 cops. But I’ve seen similar things in NYC since 9/11. We used to depend on our excellent multi tasked ESU for SWAT stuff. Now we have these Atlas teams that have as much firepower and more physical protection than an infantry squad.


31 posted on 02/10/2013 6:17:04 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: deks
A liberal guy, in a liberal town...
just gunned some cops down...
in a Yugo...
32 posted on 02/10/2013 6:23:03 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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...while they looked here,
he was over there,
wasn't anywhere near Big Bear,
in a Yugo...
33 posted on 02/10/2013 6:24:21 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: nobamanomore
Yes, we should all remember that only these trained professionals are capable of handling the fine art of protecting us.

I wonder what the 'cop on innocent citizen' homicide rate is vs the 'assault rifle owner on fellow citizen' homicide rate?

I have a gut hunch that police murder more innocents than citizens do with scary looking semi-auto rifles.

34 posted on 02/10/2013 6:29:12 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Sirius Lee

In the distant past, I managed a gun store and had contact with hundreds of police, state highway patrol, etc. The vast majority were literally about the nationwide average with a handgun. In other words, I was a competitive shooter and there were none that were even close to that level. I often helped correct some of their shooting issues, and some became decent shooters if they desired to on their own.


35 posted on 02/10/2013 6:35:27 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: Tupelo

Just wait until the mexican cartels start acting as bad as they do in mexico (killing police at will). That will be interesting.


36 posted on 02/10/2013 6:37:38 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: deks

Yeah they’re edgy and jumpy. They should have never done the affirmative action hire. Then they wouldn’t be having this problem.


37 posted on 02/10/2013 6:39:41 AM PST by I want the USA back (Only people with their head up their a$$ vote democrat.)
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To: deks

Big bad cops get awfully jumpy when they get targeted by criminals. And its not just a recent thing. About 40 years ago in NYC there was militant group that targeted cops and had shot some of them. I was working at a gas station filling some guy’s car and a car down the block backfired. The guy hit the dirt instantly as I stood there looking down at him. Turns out he was an off duty cop.


38 posted on 02/10/2013 6:43:20 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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39 posted on 02/10/2013 6:45:21 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: deks
The LAPD is proving their professionalism.

cops harass helicopter shoot dorner pickup women

cops shoot innocent truck dorner idiots murder


STOP! SHOW US YOUR PAPERS!!! ↓
helicopter nazis harass woman rockcollector police
40 posted on 02/10/2013 6:47:52 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: nobamanomore

“In the distant past, I managed a gun store and had contact with hundreds of police, state highway patrol, etc. The vast majority were literally about the nationwide average with a handgun.”

I’d say you were being generous. A gunclub I belonged to held a montly informal IPSC shoot. No one special, just a bunch of average guys having fun. One day a couple of cops showed up including the head firearm training officer. They got smoked so bad they never showed up again.

A few years after that I went to a “tactical training” course given by another police firearms instructor. Not to brag but after the first several targets it was clear I could shoot much faster and more accurately than he could (and I am probably somewhat better than average).


41 posted on 02/10/2013 6:57:16 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: deks

I suppose they hadn’t heard that Dorner’s pickup was up in the mountains burned to a crisp.


42 posted on 02/10/2013 7:07:54 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: iopscusa
If he had a dog both he and the dog would be shot dead by the foolish LAPD.

I guess they've run out of dogs to shoot. How the LAPD is killing innocent civilians. They now have total disregard for anyone's life. They're going to end up murdering more people than their own ex-cop fugitive in the process.

43 posted on 02/10/2013 7:14:13 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: deks

Didn’t they just find his truck, all burned out, somewhere up in the mountains? Do they think he happened to have another one just like the other one? Didn’t they get the word? Just another reason to cut southern Cal off from the rest of the continent and let it drift away to sea where, hopefully, it will capsize.


44 posted on 02/10/2013 7:15:52 AM PST by jstaff
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To: pepsionice
Let’s review how US troops ended up reacting in Iraq....after a year or two there. They’d readily fire on any suspicious car that they felt was going to make a run at the entry point or if the driver showed any unusual head movements.

Hmm really.....2003, 2004, 2006-2007, 2007-2008 in Marine infantry units every deployment; I didn't realize that was the case.........

oh teevee said it was true, so it must be; they can't put stuff on teevee or the internets if it isn't true.

45 posted on 02/10/2013 7:30:34 AM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: deks

Dorner knew he would put everybody on edge. It wouldn’t surprise me if he holed-up somewhere deep where they wouldn’t find him and killed himself.

The cops would go nuts looking for weeks or months not knowing if he were dead or alive.


46 posted on 02/10/2013 8:12:37 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: deks

Apparently the status of “rogue” cop is a very subtle distinction. It seems the currently “non-rogue” cops are just about as dangerous and a lot more numerous. It’s a good thing only cops can be trusted with guns.


47 posted on 02/10/2013 8:18:25 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

He’s driving the motorcycle he had in the back of the pickup he torched.


48 posted on 02/10/2013 8:26:46 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: deks

The only reason he wasn’t killed is because he was shot at by police. If it had been anybody with weapons expertise he would be dead. Now he will live to collect and enjoy his millions from the lawsuit his attorney is no doubt filing as we speak.


49 posted on 02/10/2013 9:26:08 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Jack Hammer

Suing Torrance doesn’t solve anything. Holding individual officers criminally and civilly responsible would make a difference. If the cops who did this were sued into bankruptcy, put in jail, and their wives and children on public assistance then that would get the attention of the Union Brothers in blue. NOTHING else will do that.

The special laws and protections that Police enjoy must be curtailed. Police powers must be curtailed. The 4th Amendment is a joke to these guys, but nothing changes until they are sued into personal bankruptcy.


50 posted on 02/10/2013 11:51:01 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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