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Is rural mail delivery the real problem with the USPS budget?
Hotair ^ | 02/10/2013 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 02/09/2013 1:09:57 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: NittanyLion

For personal mail I might agree, but business mail IMHO still needs to be 5 days a week.


21 posted on 02/09/2013 1:43:34 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: Conservative4Ever
For personal mail I might agree, but business mail IMHO still needs to be 5 days a week.

That makes sense. It would be easy enough to split addresses into residential and business addresses similar to what UPS or FedEx does.

22 posted on 02/09/2013 1:47:29 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: SeekAndFind

You need the post Office. I worked for overnight delivery. You do not want them running the post office. Your in la la land. Politicians screwed the post office by allowing Fedex boxes in the post office area by corrupt officials. You do not put your competitors box in your business property. You have no idea all the little tricks. These big companies will run it for expensive profits. Do not think they are going to charge cheaply. Once the post office is gone your screwed.This is their master plan orchestrated by powers that be to get rid of the post office. There is a step by step plan to slowly piecemeal till it does not exist. Save the post office.


23 posted on 02/09/2013 1:52:13 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: piroque

So-called “junk mail” actually subsidizes the rest of it. It’s cheaper to mail but more profitable to the postal servicd because the mailers get discounts to presort the mail, sometimes down to delivery sequence, tray it, even truck it to bulk mail centers or even sectional center facilities.

Raise “junk mail” to first class rates, watch all “junk mail” totally disappear and watch first class quadruple if the USPS even survives it.

Your sentiment is a widespread one, but it’s a complete misperception, usually perpetuated by newspapers who see direct mail as competition. How about going after them for the several pounds of mostly unwanted junk in their Sunday edition? Why is that less obnoxious?


24 posted on 02/09/2013 1:54:09 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

The real problems began with the US Postal Service when the Postal Union was allowed to form.

That was back when virtually employees were US military veterans.

Try to find a Postal employee today that is a Vet and/or a real American.

Good Luck!


25 posted on 02/09/2013 1:57:19 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: microgood

Everyone’s zip code could have a one letter prefix. Rural zips would get a B for bumpkin and everyone else’s would have a C for cool. Then just apply a simple formula. B to B would cost $47. B to C or C to B would be $27. C to C would be $.05.

Of course it cost far more to send a head of lettuce from a B zip code to a C zip than it does a letter, so the cool people can expect a significant food cost increase.

The writer is an idiot and I seriously doubt he has ever put together any business plan.


26 posted on 02/09/2013 1:58:55 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: johngrace
Once the post office is gone your screwed.

Hard to imagine how I'll be screwed considering the fact that I use the post office for next to nothing. Convert a couple additional bills to epay and begin sending ecards, and I think I wouldn't have to mail more than a handful of parcels per year.

27 posted on 02/09/2013 2:01:45 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Maybe we need to consider cutting members of Congress to be in session for a period of 140 days that meets every other year, much as the Texas Legislature does.

We would all be much better off.


28 posted on 02/09/2013 2:02:21 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: NittanyLion

I ship and receive at least one package a day. Rural people buy online because whatever you want is probably not available within 50 miles. Rural packages subsidize the letters.


29 posted on 02/09/2013 2:05:05 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem is that the postal service has morphed into a jobs service for otherwise-unemployable drones that aren’t really up to the task. They give extra points on the exam for characteristics that have NOTHING to do with the ability to deliver the mail.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 2:05:53 PM PST by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: RegulatorCountry

that message will be lost.. Back in the 90’s, I attended a meeting with the PMG and he said that they would not make it 20 years given the economic realities of the union contracts and the legacy retirement obligations. He was right.
The “junk mail” is what actually keeps the post office viable because most bills are paid online and that return mail (usually 1st class) has gone away. Take that “junk” away, and you got three day a week delivery with most of that money going to pay some 60 year old retiree’s Viagra and the people on the “disability” gravy train.

I don’t understand the problem, if you don’t want it, throw it out.


31 posted on 02/09/2013 2:06:26 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: zagger
Does anyone actually think that the junk mailers will pay first class postage rates?

Won't happen. they will just migrate to a Val-Pak or equivalent.

Most of these advertisers are probably already wondering if their current junk mail advertising campaign is actually generating enough business to justify the cost.

The general return on bulk mail advertizing is 1%, and that is if you target your mailing. Blanket bulk can go as low as 1/2 of 1%.

A substantial increase in bulk mailing rates would see the Post Office lose even more.

32 posted on 02/09/2013 2:28:56 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....I want a bailout!!!)
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To: newnhdad

No, it is not rural post offices or rural delivery. They are not union, although the proposals to combine routes would result in routes big enough to require union carriers. If you want to see the hole down which most of the postal money is going, please go to the post office at 14th and L St NW in Washington DC and try to do something really complicated, like buy some stamps. Rude, incompetent, lazy and did I mention aggresively rude? That any small, functioning post office would be closed to keep these clowns in velvet is a great illustration of what’s wrong.


33 posted on 02/09/2013 2:30:44 PM PST by Kanzan
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To: zagger
Most of these advertisers are probably already wondering if their current junk mail advertising campaign is actually generating enough business to justify the cost.

The thing about direct mail advertising is that a.) you know exactly how much it costs and b.) you know exactly what you're getting back from it.

If it's not returning its costs and paying a profit -- you don't do it again.

Hence, almost all direct mail campaigns are proven profit-makers.

34 posted on 02/09/2013 2:34:28 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you think postal subsidies are bad, wait until you learn about the “high-cost” component of the Universal Service Fund. The Universal Service Fund collects taxes from your phone bill (about $7B per year) and “redistributes” them to a variety of “worthy” causes. One recipient provides subsidies to “high-cost”, mostly rural, telephone companies. The most egregious is the subsidy of phone service in Maui — as much as $13K/line/year.

See http://www.capthefund.org/learnabout.cfm


35 posted on 02/09/2013 2:37:26 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: piroque

Raise it to first class postage and a lot of junk mail will cease to exist—not a bad thing.

Then subcontract out the delivery of the actual, worthwhile mail that is left to UPS, Fedex, etc.

It wouldn’t be too difficult to get them to provide the added services needed in order to get the contracts, and the mail could still have a USPS imprint of some kind, if that mattered.


36 posted on 02/09/2013 2:43:42 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: johngrace
These big companies will run it for expensive profits.

I mean this as respectfully as I can put it and I don't wish to descend into ad hominem arguments on either side. Phrases like "big companies" and "expensive profits" used in a pejorative sense are not what I expect to find here on Free Republic.

The "big" adjective is oft-used by leftists in phrases such as "Big Oil", "Big Tobacco" and "Big Pharma" with the implications that that these businesses are up to no good. Similarly, "expensive profits" smacks of language employed by Occupy Wall Street crowd when they refer to "obscene profits" or "outlandish profits". By no means am I lumping you into that group but words do have meaning and, in the spirit of true FRiendship, you might advance your case better by using terms that are more in line with the Conservative lexicon.

As for profits, as shareholder in a number of corporations, some large and some small, I want a tremendous profit from my investment. From my viewpoint, there simply is no such beast as profit too large -- call it "obscene", "extravagant" or anything else. I want and rightfully deserve maximum profits from the risk I take as a capitalist in the wonderful free market system that we enjoy here in America.

I may be guilty of missing your essential point where you advocate for the continued existence of a government-run Postal Service. But the words you happened to choose (probably with no ill intent at all) were like Kryptonite to me as one who strongly favors an unfettered free enterprise system with the role of government reduced to the extent that it can drowned in a bathtub -- and tiny one at that! :-)

37 posted on 02/09/2013 2:47:42 PM PST by re_nortex
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To: SeekAndFind

Agree with the sentiment that the govt is NOT enumerated to actually deliver mail... only to provide for infrastructure so that mail can travel across state lines.

Indeed, the USPS is only treading water because they are paid by the RNC to deliver wasted and meaningless fundraisers to millions of conservatives who go.... “meh...” and then write a check directly to some tea party candidate anyways...


38 posted on 02/09/2013 2:55:44 PM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
It's not hard, if you think about it. If the "real problem" is delivering to sparsely-populated rural areas, then fewer trips = less cost.

That's the prevailing conventional wisdom, but it doesn't take the facts into account.

Saturday is not a "slow" mail day. The volume of mail delivered is roughly the same as any weekday.

Monday is a very heavy mail day. All the letters, magazines, and junk continue to flow through the system on Sunday even though there's no delivery. Mondays are hard.

Now, as the plan goes, we will add Saturday's mail to Sunday's and Monday's and -- just like the underpants gnomes planned -- profit will result. And don't even mention three-day weekends.

The mail volume on Mondays will now be crushing. Either more workers will need to be brought in to sort and deliver it [eliminating the savings] or it will simply stack up in the P.O. and trickle out during the week as staffing permits.

Also, there is a small army of substitute carriers who work Saturdays and the regular carrier's vacation and sick days. Eliminating Saturday deliveries will cause most of them to seek other work. It's their only guaranteed work day.

This will cause tremendous problems in coverage down the road.

It's such a crazy proposal that I suspect it is just a negotiating ploy to get Congress to get off its fat ass and end the stupid health care pre-payments that are causing 90% of the losses.

39 posted on 02/09/2013 3:09:14 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: NittanyLion

Twice a week means they’d now have health issues since the normal deposit would be over 50 lbs—2 lbs of quality mail and 48 lbs of crap.


40 posted on 02/09/2013 3:15:33 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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