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The Boy Scouts should learn the lessons of the Canadian Scouts
Life Site News ^ | February 8, 2013 | BRADLEE DEAN

Posted on 02/09/2013 10:01:13 AM PST by NYer

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To: NYer
Virtus. . The BSA would do well to either adopt this program or create one of their own.

Great idea. Anyone here involved in the higher-ups at the BSA who can pass this on?

21 posted on 02/09/2013 1:16:50 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: plain talk
Can you imagine how parents will react if their kid is molested by a homo and the Boy Scout org knowingly hired him?
 
 
 
 

22 posted on 02/09/2013 1:17:36 PM PST by TArcher
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To: NYer

The BSA requires anyone going on a Camping Trip to take Youth Protection Training. They are very strict about never allowing an adult leader to ever be alone with a Scout.


23 posted on 02/09/2013 1:22:48 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: NYer

The Catholic Church ignored homosexual behavior in its seminaries. The priests had interpreted “celibacy” to mean “no sex with women”.


24 posted on 02/09/2013 1:31:12 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: NYer

The homos will pass all background tests with flying colors. Parents need to start doing stuff with their kids. Screw all these organizations.


25 posted on 02/09/2013 1:56:12 PM PST by USAF80
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To: dfwgator
They are very strict about never allowing an adult leader to ever be alone with a Scout.

That's a good start. Better yet, why not mandate that scout leaders be fingerprinted and undergo a police background check. I've been through the process and cleared to work with the children in our parish. In our current culture, such a check should be the minimum requirement for a scout leader.

26 posted on 02/09/2013 2:15:23 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: AppyPappy
The Catholic Church ignored homosexual behavior in its seminaries. The priests had interpreted “celibacy” to mean “no sex with women”.

The problem is pedophilia. According to this article, scouts have been sexually abused by scout leaders who are married with children. I rest my case.

27 posted on 02/09/2013 2:18:36 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
As you noted: the “monster” next door may not always appear to be the obvious “monster”. The Catholic Church has had to deal with the same problem. They developed and implemented a program entitled Virtus. With this program in place, anyone who comes in contact with a child (religious, teacher, janitor, etc.) must be certified by Virtus. The process mandates being fingerprinted, a police background check and two training sessions in identifying sexual predators. The BSA would do well to either adopt this program or create one of their own.

That’s all fine and good and a good idea IMO; being “fingerprinted, a police background check and two training sessions in identifying sexual predators”. And I have several relatives who are teachers and a great niece in college working on her teaching degree who is ready to start student teaching, who have all gone through extensive background checks and FBI finger printing and some relatives (one who is gay BTW) who are involved in teaching HS bands on a contract or volunteer basis, who are not school employees, but they all have had to do this - submit to fingerprinting and background checks and have for many years now and all passed with flying colors. But I will also point out that none of these precautions have prevented some band teachers and contracted band techs and volunteers from molesting children in their charge. I know of several local schools, some that my relatives once taught at, where band teachers, paid contract band techs and volunteers were caught engaging in inappropriate relations with underage girls or molesting children in their charge, despite all the screening processes and background checks.

And while all that is a good idea, it does nothing to stop a pedophile, one who has had no prior criminal record, as sadly many of them do not have until it is too late. And I would also add that perhaps “training sessions in identifying sexual predators” allows some pedophiles to learn what it takes to avoid detection. Just saying.

My point still stands that despite all the precautions, all the background checks, finger printing, “certifications”, etc. in world and keeping out all the known and openly homosexuals; parents should never solely depend on the school system or the Catholic Church or the BSA or Little League or any org dealing with children for that matter to depend solely on their screening processes alone to protect their children and keep them safe from predators. Parents need to be ever vigilant and teach their children about the dangers and keep an open and honest and two way dialogue with them teach their children about what is right and wrong, about inappropriate touching and sexual conversations and teach them that they can trust their parents to believe them when they tell them the truth about such things.

28 posted on 02/09/2013 2:34:14 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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The problem is same-sex molestation. Elton John was married to a woman as was James Hormel.


29 posted on 02/09/2013 2:43:56 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: NYer

They did a background check on me, when I applied as an Adult leader.


30 posted on 02/09/2013 2:59:04 PM PST by dfwgator
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There have been thousands of reported cases of molestation and assaults by homosexuals prior to the BSA implementing the ban on homosexuals.

Since the ban the number of incidents dropped dramatically.

Homosexuality is a mental illness. Common sense tells us not to allow young boys to have contact with queers, let alone go camping in the woods.

31 posted on 02/09/2013 3:10:55 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Art in Idaho

The majority of Hitlers Brownshirts( Sturmabteilung) were homosexuals. It’s leader Ernest Roehm was a notorious screaming bender. All those snappy uniforms and men marching around was in many ways more than just politics. It’s this that attracts the homos and pederasts to the Boys Scouts. Uniforms, young men and boys, an authoritative male hierarchy and the chance to exercise the degeneracy of sexual politics and the further destruction of a moral, Western Christian organization like The Boy Scouts.


32 posted on 02/09/2013 4:06:30 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: dfwgator

Bingo.


33 posted on 02/09/2013 5:06:03 PM PST by Anima Mundi (Envy is just passive, lazy greed.)
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To: MD Expat in PA; NYer
despite all the precautions, all the background checks, finger printing, “certifications”, etc. in world and keeping out all the known and openly homosexuals; parents should never solely depend on the school system or the Catholic Church or the BSA or Little League or any org dealing with children for that matter to depend solely on their screening processes alone to protect their children and keep them safe from predators.

True; however, the purpose of banning homosexuals from such organization is not to ensure that no homosexual pedophile ever sneaks past the screening. The purpose is to first, reduce the likelihood of such infiltration, but more importantly, to eliminate above-board homosexual indoctrination of children. Remember that whether it is on the curriculum or not, an instructor of boys will have to deal with the boys' emerging sexuality. A homosexual instructor, even if never intending molestation, will validate homosexual urges in the children just to the same degree as a heterosexual instructor would validate heterosexual urges. The result will be an increase of malformed sexual identities, and no one would have to break the law achieving it. The actual sexual contact will often be consummated by others and outside of the camps, dorms and classrooms. The goal of the homosexuals is not merely personal gratification, but rather cultivating a larger and younger homosexual contingent. It is a group strategy.

34 posted on 02/09/2013 5:38:09 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: jmacusa
. . the further destruction of a moral, Western Christian organization like The Boy Scouts.

How about we draw the line in the sand on this one. . and gun control. . and amnesty. . and

Sometimes I feel we've been Juggernauted by the Obama machine. They are well organized. We have to get more organized and fight back. Enough is enough! Time for all good Patriots to take a stand. Live Free or Die!

35 posted on 02/09/2013 6:08:55 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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37 posted on 02/09/2013 6:13:37 PM PST by narses
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To: Art in Idaho

The question is just how do it?


38 posted on 02/09/2013 7:48:00 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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It's Tea Party as a third party for me now. If things get worse, then we'll have to up the ante. . sometimes I think the only thing that will really change things for the better is the R word. . I don't know, we just can't sit by passively and see our country destroyed from within.
39 posted on 02/09/2013 9:32:23 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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These people are warped. I can't imagine any thinking parent wanting to have their scout master that's gay.

Where are we on this vote? I haven't heard.

I do think that if this vote goes through in support of gay scoutmasters, you will see membership plummet.

40 posted on 02/10/2013 5:35:20 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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