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Las Vegas gun dealer said murder suspect Dorner was a customer, but did not buy firearms ...
http://www.dailybulletin.com ^ | Posted: 02/08/2013 01:13:14 PM PST | Andrew Edwards

Posted on 02/08/2013 1:49:26 PM PST by Red Badger

The manager of the Las Vegas gun store that murder suspect and fired Los Angeles Police officer Christopher Jordan Dorner criticized in his manifesto said Dorner was a customer, but never purchased any firearms there.

Tony Melendez, manager of Lock N Load said all customers' purchases are confidential, but the store never sold a gun to Dorner because he was a California resident.

"He never purchased any firearms in the store," Melendez said.

A California resident would not be able to legally purchase a firearm in Nevada or another state without having the weapon transferred to a federally-licensed gun dealer in California.

Southern California law enforcement officers escalated a manhunt for Dorner on Thursday after he allegedly used a rifle killed one Riverside police officer and wounded another during an early morning ambush attack.

The multi-agency manhunt for Dorner is currently focused on the Bear Valley area.

Dorner is also suspected in the Sunday night killing of Cal State Fullerton assistant women's basketball coach Monica Quan and her fiancee, USC public safety officer Keith Lawrence.

Quan, 28, was the daughter of Randal Quan, a retired Los Angeles police captain who became an attorney. Quan represented Dorner at the LAPD hearing that led to Dorner's firing.

Dorner wrote in his manifesto that he believes he was unjustly terminated for reporting police brutality and is willing to commit"horrendous murders" and "necessary evil" to change the LAPD.

The rambling manifesto also complains that gun laws are too loose and Dorner states he made multiple purchases of suppressors with a trust account he created using Quicken software to avoid a proper background check.

Although Dorner does not specifically say what he purchased from Lock N Load, he singled out the Las Vegas gun retailer for verbal attack.

"Lock N Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III (sic) weapons with just a notarized trust, miltary ID. Shame on you Lock N Load," Dorner wrote.

A Class III firearms license allows a dealer to sell silencers, machine guns and short-barrelled rifles or shotguns regulated by the National Firearms Act.

Dorner's manifesto also attacks several police officers, National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre, the Westboro Baptist Church and people who have doubted President Barack Obama's status as a natural born citizen.

"Nobody likes to hear the name of their business listed in this manner, but this is a guy whose pain goes deeper," Melendez said.

Melendez recalled that Dorner visited the gun store about once every other month, or about four times since he has been employed at the store.

"This was a guy who appeared to us as your average gun enthusiast," Melendez said. "Very personable. Very kind. Very friendly."

Irvine Police Lt. Julia Ingen said the department is not identifying what kind of weapon Dorner is suspected of using to kill Quan and Lawrence to avoid jeopardizing their investigation.

Other law enforcement officials involved in the Bear Valley search have also refrained from saying which guns Dorner is suspected of using.

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck, however, said Thursday that Dorner is believed to in possession of multiple weapons, including assault rifles.

The Los Angeles News Group contributed to this report


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; christopherdorner; dorner; guncontrol; leftwingmurderer; partisanmediashills; secondamendment
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1 posted on 02/08/2013 1:49:32 PM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger
...Dorner states he made multiple purchases of suppressors with a trust account he created using Quicken software to avoid a proper background check.
2 posted on 02/08/2013 1:50:30 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

I am not surprised that California residents can’t buy in Nevada but I am a Florida resident and I can buy in Alabama with no problems as long as they are shotguns or rifles.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 1:53:25 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: Red Badger

If I were a betting man, I’d be willing to lay down a couple of bucks that he’s nowhere near Big Bear. He burned his truck, laid down some false tracks, and the boogied outta there.

He’s probably back in L.A., or maybe one of the outlying suburbs. Earlier I watched a livestream from KTLA, and the cops were saying there’s half a million guys who answer to Dorner’s description.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 1:54:58 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Red Badger

This whole thing is beginning to sound fishy. I wouldn’t be surprised if society learns 100 years from now this fella was an operative who was told to do just what he’s doing WITH support in order to further the gun-control agenda.


5 posted on 02/08/2013 1:55:21 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Red Badger

“A Class III firearms license allows a dealer to sell silencers...”

Really? I don’t remember the people at the auto parts store having a Class 3 license to sell oil filters which make really awesome sound suppressors!

Silly stupid statists think they can regulate everything.


6 posted on 02/08/2013 1:57:26 PM PST by MeganC (“Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!”)
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To: yarddog

What part? I’m in FWB-DESTIN..........


7 posted on 02/08/2013 1:57:51 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: MeganC

Lawn mower mufflers work well...........


8 posted on 02/08/2013 1:58:59 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

He may not have been the one who drove it there and set it on fire. Why set it on fire in the first place? Get rid of someone else’s fingerprints..........


9 posted on 02/08/2013 2:01:42 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

10 posted on 02/08/2013 2:03:48 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
If I were a betting man, I’d be willing to lay down a couple of bucks that he’s nowhere near Big Bear. He burned his truck, laid down some false tracks, and the boogied outta there.

I'm thinking the same thing... diversion. He's probably hanging out on a Mexican beach sipping margaritas, watching the news, and laughing.

Or he froze to death up on Bear Mountain last night, which would be okay.

11 posted on 02/08/2013 2:05:41 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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To: Red Badger

I have to say it -

the left is constantly saying that only police and military should be trusted with firearms.

This guy was a cop. According to the left, he should have been one of the people that have the monopoly on the use of deadly force.


12 posted on 02/08/2013 2:06:54 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Briggs & Stratton?..........


13 posted on 02/08/2013 2:08:38 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

I live in rural Holmes County near the Walton County line. When I was a kid, I worked at LaFountain’s Wharf.

I can’t believe how much Destin and South Walton County have changed.


14 posted on 02/08/2013 2:09:11 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Hard to say.

I think he’s in L.A., maybe gone to ground, waiting and biding his time until he strikes. He’ll pick off the occasional random patrolman, one or two at a time, or try to go after one of the targets he mentioned (or their families).

If he’s good, and by that I mean methodical and careful, well, I hate to say it, but he could rack up one hell of a bodycount before he goes down.


15 posted on 02/08/2013 2:09:34 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: MrB

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws and cops will have guns......but that’s being redundant.....


16 posted on 02/08/2013 2:09:58 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger; AnAmericanAbroad

He could have driven it up there with a motorcycle in the back? He could have parked the motorcycle elsewhere then parked the truck and burnt it. Then walked back to the motorcycle and drive out of there.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 2:10:04 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: yarddog

I’ve lived here for 30+ years and remember when most of south Walton was pine forest. I used to work in Panama City at the Navy base and drove 60 miles to work every day.........


18 posted on 02/08/2013 2:12:23 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

Yes, the older Briggs and Stratton engines. I remember them from when I worked at Sears. First time I saw one, I commented to a co-worker (an old Sears veteran, 20-plus years), “Damn. Looks like a suppressor.” And he said, “Yup. They work pretty good as suppressors too, for a couple of rounds at least.”


19 posted on 02/08/2013 2:12:24 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Red Badger
Why set it on fire in the first place? he could have done that just to make the authorities use up valuable time and resources. Big diversion I think.
20 posted on 02/08/2013 2:13:33 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: ColdOne

Yep! Used to ride MY motorcycle around Big Bear............


21 posted on 02/08/2013 2:14:00 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: MrB

Don’t think that they haven’t thought of that. That’s how it went in England-regular people were disarmed, then the regular cops. They want complete control of the people who can be armed-themselves, and their minions.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 2:14:28 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: ColdOne

I don’t see the point in burning the truck. It is not as if they would not be able to figure out it was his.

Maybe he wanted them to find it but I bet he wasn’t that smart.


23 posted on 02/08/2013 2:14:36 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: ColdOne

That’s my thought. A motorcycle parked a mile away or so. Park the truck, maybe set a timer to an ignition source, walk back to the bike, ride off, and the truck goes up in flames an hour or two later. Good head start. More than enough time to get back to L.A.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 2:16:00 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
This whole thing is beginning to sound fishy. I wouldn’t be surprised if society learns 100 years from now this fella was an operative who was told to do just what he’s doing WITH support in order to further the gun-control agenda.

Nah! Read the guy's manifesto. They wouldn't have him as a lefty.

25 posted on 02/08/2013 2:16:15 PM PST by Starstruck (All goverments become tyrannical. Individuals determine when they do.)
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To: Red Badger

I was born in Walton County. My family has been here since the 1700s at least.

My Father worked at Tyndal after he got out of WWII. They had a massive lay off around 1954 and he later got back on at Eglin. We lived in Defuniak and he retired after probably around 40 years.


26 posted on 02/08/2013 2:18:02 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: yarddog

Then I guess you qualify as a ‘local’..........;^)


27 posted on 02/08/2013 2:19:25 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

I have a cousin who graduated from UF. He used to have a tag on front which said “native”. The funny thing is tho all his Mother’s family is from around here, he was technically born in Illinois.


28 posted on 02/08/2013 2:22:35 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: yarddog

My wife and daughter are ‘native’ Floridians. My family moved to Jacksonville in 1969, when I was 14. So I’m Semi-Native!..........


29 posted on 02/08/2013 2:24:45 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: yarddog
. . . but I am a Florida resident and I can buy in Alabama with no problems as long as they are shotguns or rifles.

If you are a CCW holder, ask your pol why you can't buy a handgun out of state, since you have already passed a state and federal background check.

30 posted on 02/08/2013 2:24:54 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Oatka

The Gun Control Act of 1968 which was really a harsh law which is still hurting us. A few of the provisions have been softened over the years but that was the worst one ever.

The worst part is most of the gun manufacturers stabbed us in the back because it had a provision banning military surplus. That part was dropped in the 80s and I never knew why as both Bob Dole and Teddy Kennedy supported dropping that part of the law. My guess is there was some sort of tit for tat.

I have read many times that the NRA even supported it. That eventually led to a member revolt and big changes in the NRA.


31 posted on 02/08/2013 2:32:20 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
If I were a betting man, I’d be willing to lay down a couple of bucks that he’s nowhere near Big Bear. He burned his truck, laid down some false tracks, and the boogied outta there.

He’s probably back in L.A., or maybe one of the outlying suburbs. Earlier I watched a livestream from KTLA, and the cops were saying there’s half a million guys who answer to Dorner’s description.

I think he's on his way to Oakland.

32 posted on 02/08/2013 2:32:44 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: yarddog
Maybe he wanted them to find it but I bet he wasn’t that smart.

I read his manifesto. It is written by a well educated person. Insane perhaps; clearly unreasonable in some places, but not stupid. On top of that we know that he spent some time with the Navy and became an officer, a lieutenant.

No person, not even the stupidest gangbanger, will head up a mountain in winter and then signal everyone that he is there by setting fire. The police must believe that he knows what he is doing. Probably he does. The police should be happy that he hasn't mined the area around the truck; probably he has no access to military explosives.

He can't do everything right, but I'm sure he had lots of time to build plans of revenge. I suspect those plans were his major thought for several years now. Even if only 10% of his bravado speech in that manifesto is true, he will be a serious opponent. He has only one problem, IMO: his physical characteristics (namely, size and weight) are quite distinctive.

33 posted on 02/08/2013 2:47:25 PM PST by Greysard
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Punctuation is so overrated...


34 posted on 02/08/2013 2:48:56 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: null and void

He could be anywhere in the state, to be honest. He might even still be up around Big Bear somewhere.

Sooner or later, he’ll turn up. He’s got a major grudge against the LAPD, and I think it’s too tempting a target for him to leave it alone for long.

I’ve read some comments on other sites, L.A. Times, Facebook, etc., and he’s got a broad level of support. I think there’s more than a few people that would let him in if he turned up at their door one fine evening. And I mean total strangers.


35 posted on 02/08/2013 2:49:06 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Greysard
That was my reaction as well. Dorner is no dummy. I figure he's planned this out for at minimum one year. More likely, two years - maybe a little more. Of course, he's human, and this ain't Hollywood, so inevitably, he'll make some minor mistake or another. But until that happens, I agree that he'll make a challenging opponent. A would-be one-man army against the LAPD. One man, properly trained, with the proper knowledge and proper tools at his disposal can do a hell of a lot of damage before he makes that minor mistake.
36 posted on 02/08/2013 2:54:03 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Yes, but his next target is in Oakland.


37 posted on 02/08/2013 2:59:11 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Red Badger

(Taking notes)

(-:


38 posted on 02/08/2013 3:00:05 PM PST by MeganC (“Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!”)
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To: Red Badger

Perhaps to cover any trace if the motorcycle he was carrying in the truck to get out if the area


39 posted on 02/08/2013 3:02:57 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: null and void

Ah. If I were one of Dorner’s targets, I’d be thinking of taking a nice little vacation somewhere. Somewhere overseas. Like Guatemala. Or Thailand or Vietnam or something.

He has the advantage at the moment. No one knows what he’s driving. I was thinking he may have multiple ID’s as well. I lived for awhile in Westlake Village (MacArthur Park area) and I remember Alvorado Street. Where you get all fixed up with a DL, passport, the whole Magilla (even a California birth certificate) for about $500.

If he’s planned this out, establishing a few fake identities would be highly useful. These fake ID’s, as I recall, were of exceptionally high quality.

Of course, there’s things like Silk Road on Tor, where you can buy real (and registered) UK passports made to order. Sold by a fellow there who actually does work for British Immigration. That’d set you back about ten grand, but if you got the money to burn, well, there you go.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 3:11:38 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Red Badger

I was just channel surfing and came across one of those entertainment type programs. They were running maybe a five minute section on this guy.

I didn’t catch the first part of it but from what I saw you probably would have guessed that he was an anti-government, anti-gun control, admirer of conservatives etc. Not even close to an accurate portrayal of him except maybe the anti government part.


41 posted on 02/08/2013 3:19:14 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Don’t think I haven’t considered it.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 3:34:30 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Starstruck

“Nah! Read the guy’s manifesto. They wouldn’t have him as a lefty. “

This serves their purpose too. They don’t wany any of the “little people” to have guns, right or left. Except those duty weapons that will be kept under lock and key when not on the job. Like with Obamacare, a lot of people who believe they’re special are going to find out that they’re not.


43 posted on 02/08/2013 3:37:34 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: null and void

Having options is never a bad thing.


44 posted on 02/08/2013 3:39:53 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Sometimes you have to burn your boats.


45 posted on 02/08/2013 3:42:19 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: yarddog
"....gun manufacturers stabbed us in the back because it had a provision banning military surplus....

It is far worse than that. Some of the details are inadvertently chronicled on Page 33 of the August 1962 issue of the American Rifleman. The major firearm manufacturers, under the umbrella of SAAMI hatch a plot with Connecticut's Senator Thomas Dodd to ban the importation of foreign military rifles as a protectionism scheme. They lost control of Dodd and we ended up with the 1968 GCA.

Don't believe for a minute that Sen. Finstein authored the Assault Weapons and Extended Magazine bans. In 1989 I saw copies of the proposed legislation being circulated in the firearms and ammunition plants by the National Shooting Sports Foundation as another misguided attempt at protectionism. The imported SKS rifles had the rifle makers concerned.

The American arms and ammunition manufacturers have handed the gun grabbers victories they never could have achieved on their own. We have met the enemy. It is us. To the best of

46 posted on 02/08/2013 3:57:53 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Red Badger

“Lock N Load just wanted money so they allow you to purchase class III (sic) weapons with just a notarized trust, miltary ID. Shame on you Lock N Load,” Dorner wrote.

Further proof that the dunce is lying. Seriously, he’s made numerous absurd claims about what weapons he has or how he got them.

Anyone who thinks this guy is a highly trained commando making years worth of intricate plans and carrying around an arsenal of unobtainable weapons on his back needs a SERIOUS dose of common sense.

The fact of the matter is that Dorner is a mentally deficient and disturbed individual. He’s a black racist that blames all of his personal and professional failures on “white racists”. He was a reservist desk-jockey in the military, and he was shunted back and forth between assignments and technical training that he often couldn’t complete.

It would appear from his military record that he was repeatedly coddled when he failed to live up to standards or succeed at technically demanding tasks. He was given opportunity after opportunity. I wonder, did his chain of command excuse as much bad behavior from him as Maj. Hasan’s did?

Then he tried to be a police officer. He couldn’t complete probation without filing a civil rights complaint against his field training officer. Later, as a rookie, he couldn’t tolerate overhearing politically incorrect language from his coworkers, so he figured it would be a brilliant career enhancing move to assault a fellow police officer.

When this failure of a human being finally met a review board that wouldn’t give him a pass for unacceptable behavior, he cracked. He screamed that the only reason he was being terminated from his place of employment was because there was a conspiracy of evil white racists out to get him. Then, he decides to murder everyone that pissed him off.

Dorner cannot control his emotions, hold a job, or communicate any better than a grade-schooler. He blames his every inadequacy and his every failure on RACISM. I can just thank God that the LAPD finally weeded this lunatic out of their ranks.

Judging from Droner’s lackluster mental abilities, his severe emotional instability as well, I’m going to say that this boy is more of a danger to himself than he is to others. He’s running, and scared, and making even dumber decisions than is normal for him.

I’d say that he’d probably chicken-out and try to give himself up when he gets cornered, but I think instead he’s going to die either from his own stupidity or the inevitable run-in with competent and aware police - there aren’t going to be many more unarmed female basketball coaches or patrolmen sitting around chatting for him to sneak up on.


47 posted on 02/08/2013 4:14:18 PM PST by jameslalor
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To: yarddog
Don't go there, the authorities certainly should not go there.
This guy is over the edge nuts but that does not make him stupid.
He's had enough training, experience, and time to plan and to prepare for contingencies.

I'd guess that the toasted truck is a diversion & he's laughing his butt off somewhere down the hill.

48 posted on 02/08/2013 4:21:03 PM PST by norton
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To: norton

When I was a kid we lived not too far from the Florida State Mental Hospital in Chattahoochie.

One day a guy had all four lug nuts come off a wheel then the wheel fell off.

The driver moaned that he could get home until he found those missing lug nuts and they were scattered across the grass on the shoulder.

There was an old man sitting on a bench behind the outer wire.

He told the driver to take one lug nut from each wheel of the other and use those 3 to attach the fourth wheel. Then he would drive home slowly but safely. The driver thanked the chattahoochie resident. The guy replied. I may be crazy but I am not stupid”.


49 posted on 02/08/2013 7:01:47 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I’m not sure this nutcase is all that prepared. In the video at the link it claims that after the rope got wrapped up in the propeller (Ha!) he “became frustrated”. Perhaps he had a Plan A (steal a boat) and a Plan B (okay, if stealing a boat doesn’t work, I’ll take my truck with the motorcycle and .50 cal and head to my hideout in Vegas after burning my truck at Big Bear).

But I doubt it.

I liked the part where this master criminal assassin dropped his briefcase and badge.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-lapd-cops-badge-id-found-in-san-diego.html

Excerpt:

The disgruntled ex-LAPD officer suspected of shooting three police officers Thursday morning and killing a couple in Irvine earlier this week tried to steal a boat in San Diego and flee to Mexico, authorities said....

The 81-year-old boat owner reported being accosted and tied up by a burly man dressed in black who threatened him with a gun and said he wanted the boat to flee to Mexico. But while the assailant was trying to start the boat, a rope became fouled in the propeller and the boat was inoperable, authorities said....

About 2 a.m., a citizen reported finding property belonging to Dorner on a street near Lindbergh Field, not far from the scene of the attempted boat theft. The property included a briefcase and Dorner’s LAPD badge.


50 posted on 02/08/2013 7:13:21 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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