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California's state Senate Democrats roll out big gun control package (Considering to Confiscate)
Mercury News ^ | Updated: 02/08/2013 10:47:40 AM PST | Josh Richman

Posted on 02/08/2013 11:45:22 AM PST by Red Steel

All semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines would be banned, all guns would be registered and no ammunition could be bought without a special permit in California under a sweeping list of bills rolled out Thursday by state Senate Democrats.

The 10-bill package constitutes the single largest gun control push in decades in the Golden State, which already boasts some of the nation's strictest gun laws. It joins equally controversial proposals from Assembly Democrats that would regulate and tax ammunition sales and consider taking the state's 166,000 registered assault weapons from their owners.

This first unified California plan comes less than a month after New York adopted its own sweeping package of new gun controls and President Barack Obama announced a package of executive actions, all in the wake of December's Connecticut schoolhouse massacre. Even as this plan emerged Thursday, House Democrats' gun violence task force was announcing 15 "policy principles," including protecting Second Amendment rights but also instituting universal background checks and reinstating a federal assault weapons ban.

"We respect the Second Amendment right of law-abiding citizens to have guns for hunting, for sport,

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proliferation of guns designed to be fired and reloaded rapidly," he said. "We can save lives by getting guns and ammunition out of the hands of the wrong people. We can save lives if every gun owner knows how to safely handle those guns. And if we can save lives, we must act to do so."

Gene Hoffman of Redwood City, co-founder and chairman of the Calguns Foundation gun rights group, countered that "almost every item in the proposal is wildly unconstitutional."

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; communism; cwii; democrats; donttreadonme; govtabuse; guncontrol; liberalfascism; secondamendment; tyranny
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1 posted on 02/08/2013 11:45:28 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Marcella

Looks like I best be packing.


2 posted on 02/08/2013 11:47:05 AM PST by yorkiemom
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To: Red Steel

What they forgot to say was that they respect the right of criminals to have their illegal guns.

They deliberately leave guns in the hands of the violent criminals while trying to take them away from honest, non-violent citizens.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 11:48:52 AM PST by I want the USA back (Only people with their head up their a$$ vote democrat.)
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To: Red Steel

It’s coming to a time when these fools need to be simply ignored with mass non-compliance.

The left is treating this as just another power grab. These fools will start another civil war over this idiocy.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 11:51:10 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Red Steel

The Calif. Democrats are a heady lot with their super majority. I’d believe they are going to find some resistance to their headiness.


5 posted on 02/08/2013 11:51:18 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Red Steel

Registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation...


6 posted on 02/08/2013 11:51:53 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Red Steel
If this passes, my guns my money and my family will be gone within 6 months. If they think I can be replaced by an illegal immigrant who will pay the taxes I do they are going to be surprised. I will rent my home and spend those profits in my new home state. KMA Kali.
7 posted on 02/08/2013 11:52:10 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Red Steel
"almost every item in the proposal is wildly unconstitutional."

Taking a page from Dear Reader, I see. Just like in the movie "The Mask"

If noone stops you, how can it be unconstitutional?

8 posted on 02/08/2013 11:53:37 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: Red Steel
What most that do not know, is that free "stuffers" gave the dims 2/3 control of both the senate and the assembly. The republicans (rino or otherwise) may as well stay home and collect their pay. They can't even slow down anything in the granny state. Prop 13 that keeps property taxes in line has long been a target and the senors that are still covered by this have a rude awakening.
9 posted on 02/08/2013 11:56:37 AM PST by Foolsgold (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: I want the USA back
None of this improves public safety but it does help out crazy killer cops like the guy wandering about down at Big Bear killing people.

Not surprising the California Senate wants to protect his kind and make things easier.

The solution really does lie in rounding up Democrats and waterboarding them to see if they're dangerous.

10 posted on 02/08/2013 11:56:39 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Red Steel
...and consider taking the state's 166,000 registered assault weapons from their owners.

So much for all those dissembling re-assurances that registration would not lead to confiscation.

11 posted on 02/08/2013 11:57:16 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Red Steel

Hmm....


12 posted on 02/08/2013 11:57:31 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: yorkiemom

“Looks like I best be packing.”

Oh, my, this is bad. Maybe these bills will be watered down and/or not pass. It’s not set in concrete - yet.


13 posted on 02/08/2013 12:02:33 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Red Steel; Travis McGee; Jack Black
and consider taking the state's 166,000 registered assault weapons from their owners.

Lexington & Concord

Will the California Minutemen be ready?

14 posted on 02/08/2013 12:06:50 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Marcella

You’re not trying to talk her into staying, are you? :-)


15 posted on 02/08/2013 12:07:09 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Red Steel

Typical Liberal ‘Hunting and Sport’.

If you live in California too bad for you. You’re screwed.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 12:11:45 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Marcella

San Diego was looking so good, too...


17 posted on 02/08/2013 12:11:48 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Red Steel
Action----> Reaction.

CA Rats might want to reread Newton.

18 posted on 02/08/2013 12:19:58 PM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Red Steel

Registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation. ALWAYS.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 12:21:54 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Timocrat

Why did 166,000 people register their weapons? That violates ones 4th amendment rights


20 posted on 02/08/2013 12:27:02 PM PST by wny
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Wish for the “big one” to break off that Socialist Cesspool from the continental US like in the movie 2012!While your at it,add The People’s Republic of New Jersey to that wish !


21 posted on 02/08/2013 12:29:20 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Red Steel; trooprally; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; GunsareOK; Abundy; Joe Brower; Tailgunner Joe; ...

Tough to believe this is even worse than what we are facing here in the People’s Republic of Maryland, but it may be worse!


22 posted on 02/08/2013 12:31:09 PM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: Red Steel
Wife and I have been working on our own version of the Winchester Mystery house, those in CA should know what I am referring to, in the Gold Country. Well suited for a SHTF scenario, but now it is time to get the house in a marketable condition and get the hell out of here.

Random groups of thugs, looters, and zombies we can handle. Armored personnel carrier, drone over watched, machine gun toting SWAT teams ain't going to work.

Time to move on to someplace we can live out the rest of our years in the USA. Must be one or two states left.

23 posted on 02/08/2013 12:33:00 PM PST by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: oldenuff2no
I saw this coming in 1999. It took a few months to identify a suitable new place for my household. We relocated from San Diego to the Pocatello, ID area. The only downside is that the contracts that allowed me to continue my employment from my home office died suddenly when Obama arrived on the scene. My family and firearms are safe in Idaho. I'm constrained to live in a rented bedroom in San Diego to retain my employment. That has persisted since June 2009. It may be time to simply thrown in the towel and find something satisfactory at home in Idaho.
24 posted on 02/08/2013 12:38:47 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: onceone

No matter if it is rated blue( because of the septic tanks of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh), Pennsylvania is really firearm friendly. No restrictions on type of firearm or magazine capacity. CCW permit in two weeks without even a qualification course. Open and concealed carry .Castle Doctrine. The ONLY law making body that can change a firearm law is the state legislature.
Home to about 1 million deer hunters who use high powered rifles and not shotguns.You can even have your” Winchester Cabin” in the millions of acres of forest land that exists in the state.


25 posted on 02/08/2013 12:43:50 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Red Steel; All
Regarding California's strict gun bill, as mentioned in related threads, John Bingham, the main author of Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment, had included the 2nd Amendment when he read the Bill of Rights as examples of constitutional statutes containing priviliges and immunities which the 14th Amendment applied to the states. See the 2nd Amendment in the middle column of the page at the following link.
Congressional Globe, House of Representatives, 42nd Congress, 1st Session

And what's really interesting about the 14th Amendment is the following. Military issues aside, Sec. 5 of 14A seems to indicate that the only gun legislation that Congress can make is to protect citizens' privileges and immunities, including the 2nd Amendment, from abridgement by the states.

26 posted on 02/08/2013 12:46:11 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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27 posted on 02/08/2013 12:48:01 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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28 posted on 02/08/2013 12:48:59 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: 2banana
Reminder: Under California Gov Pete Wilson and AG Dan Lundgren, they required ALL SKS rifles be registered and Lundgren publicly promised no effort to confiscate would follow. In the second year of that mandated registration Lundgren ordered all SKS rifles be turned in to the state or anybody caught with one will go to jail and pay a hefty fine. This crap is not going to stop until these scallywags feel some sort of pain (backlash) for their legislating away our liberties. NAZI BASS TERDS
29 posted on 02/08/2013 12:53:37 PM PST by drypowder
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To: Red Steel
under a sweeping list of bills rolled out Thursday by state Senate Democrats.

They are banning the wrong thing (of course) which will have unintended consequences... AGAIN.

This is a textbook example of projection. The "liberal" thought process that manifests as elevated levels of crime is being projected (by the liberals) onto the "evil guns."

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30 posted on 02/08/2013 12:53:50 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Renegade

Thanks for the info. Will peruse the internet for availability and price. Weather is a concern after 6 decades of Cali., but when you are approaching refugee status how picky can you be?


31 posted on 02/08/2013 12:54:06 PM PST by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: Red Steel

You have no Second Amendment right for hunting or sport.
You have a Second Amendment right (AND OBLIGATION) to be part of the Militia, to defend the People.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 1:04:56 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: wny
Why did 166,000 people register their weapons?

I'm not sure. A misplaced belief in the probity of governments at every level ?

That violates ones 4th amendment rights

Ah,yes. The so called "Bill of Rights" pity no one bothers to abide by it any more especially governments.

33 posted on 02/08/2013 1:21:15 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Red Steel

Trying to outdo Illinois where gun bans worked so well especially in Chi-Congo.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 1:27:16 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: onceone

Four seasons. High 90’s in summer to sometimes below 0 in winter. Much like Bear Lake I suppose!


35 posted on 02/08/2013 1:31:25 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Red Steel
"We respect the Second Amendment right of law-abiding citizens to have guns for hunting, for sport..."

The second amendment is not about hunting or sporting. It's about this right here! It's about these non-representing representatives and other agents of and within government who think it lies within the scope of thier powers to tyrannize the citizens of this republic.

36 posted on 02/08/2013 1:32:52 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: Marcella

“Maybe these bills will be watered down and/or not pass. It’s not set in concrete - yet.”

I would suggest not holding your breath on that hope. This will be a test for the NRA’s effectiveness in championing 2nd Amendment rights. The California Dems criminally irresponsible legislation will wind up in court, win in all the lower courts up to and including the 9th Circus, before winding up in the USSC.....

There will be a landmark USSC decision over all the gun laws the California legislature rams through. (No-one can stop the Dems from passing anything they want in Cal.) Let’s hope the make-up of the Court remains as it is today.

Yeah elections do matter....one conservative Justice dies or resigns and we will officially be a bananna republic complete with a tin horn resident President for Life.

Conservatives best keep their eyes focused on California/NY.....failure to bring these states to the curb will have devastating results for our nation’s future


37 posted on 02/08/2013 1:56:11 PM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Red Steel

Haynes v. U.S. (1968) Need to remind the legislatures about this.

Criminals can not be prosecuted for NOT registering their firearms.

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.haynes.html


38 posted on 02/08/2013 1:57:16 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Remember this from the AW ban?

A firearm suitable for sporting use may not be considered suitable for sporting use.


39 posted on 02/08/2013 1:59:19 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Red Steel
Time to send the legislature on a Missouri boat ride!
40 posted on 02/08/2013 2:09:46 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Always.


41 posted on 02/08/2013 2:11:50 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: Red Steel

How does the ancient saying go? Molon Labe?


42 posted on 02/08/2013 2:12:56 PM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: Red Steel

They’re already ranked #1 by the Brady bunch.

Are they worried that NJ and Mass are catching up?


43 posted on 02/08/2013 2:15:09 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: drypowder

I have a different memory of these events. AG Dan Lungren silently refused to enforce this law and self registration was completely ignored by the gun owners of Cal. It had the state Dems in an uproar for years. Dan held up his hands, shrugged, and stonewalled....

Dan Lungren later became a US Rep, one of the House’s more Conservative members. He became a thorn in the Dem’s side especially Pelosi’s.... She targeted Dan’s seat, along with 9 other seats held by Conservatives for defeat by lefty losers and the Dems spent huge amounts of money trying to turn the district.

After 6 years of trying with no success, Dan’s district was redistricted and he lost to a crackpot Democrat far lefty named Amni Bera, who had been hand picked by Pelosi 4 years ago, losing his first attempt in 2010. No problem a little redistricting and voter fraud solved that!

No wonder we continuely lose we keep eating our own.....I know about me..... but are you sure you’re a Conservative?????


44 posted on 02/08/2013 2:26:26 PM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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It seems the progressive gust from the bombastic, bellowing foghorn finally made its way to the West Coast.


45 posted on 02/08/2013 2:54:03 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Red Steel

I should move to Reno, Vegas, or Yuma and open up an ammo store......


46 posted on 02/08/2013 2:58:43 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Marcella
Oh, my, this is bad. Maybe these bills will be watered down and/or not pass. It’s not set in concrete - yet.

With a Dem majority in both houses, something awful will pass. They've been waiting to have this legislative control to impose their will on the people.

So something awful will be passed, no doubt. I did some recalculating, and retirement can be 4 years off - given the right conditions. If there's no forthcocming jobs before them...I still have hope!
47 posted on 02/08/2013 3:12:27 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: rockinqsranch
The Calif. Democrats are a heady lot with their super majority. I’d believe they are going to find some resistance to their headiness.

How can that be? They can vote in anything they want....and the dumb sheeple that voted them in with just do it again next time.
48 posted on 02/08/2013 3:14:20 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: Red Steel

The gangs are exempted from this law.


49 posted on 02/08/2013 3:14:38 PM PST by lurk
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To: Red Steel

MS 13 and their likes have gotta be loving this.


50 posted on 02/08/2013 3:57:17 PM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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