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U.S. #1 By Far In Gun OwnershipóBut Only 28th In Gun Murder Rate
Cybercast News Service ^ | February 6, 2013 | Stephen Gutowski

Posted on 02/06/2013 11:05:54 AM PST by Olog-hai

One of the most obnoxious liberal talking points on guns involves the idea that guns, in and of themselves, cause gun violence. Apparently, as this argument goes, guns or “gun culture” cause law-abiding citizens to transform into murderous nuts. In other words, more guns must mean more gun violence. The argument was famously made by sports writer Jason Whitlock and forwarded by Bob Costas on Sunday Night Football after a player reportedly murdered his girlfriend and killed himself. …

According to the latest Small Arms Survey conducted by the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies, the U.S. tops the world in civilian gun ownership. …

If Whitlock, Costas, and their allies are correct, that must mean that our gun murder rate is by far the highest in the world, right? We must be first in gun murders. But, according to information provided by the UN’s Office on Drugs and Crime and compiled by the Guardian, the answer is an emphatic “No.” … Instead, the U.S. has the 28th highest homicide by firearm rate of the countries in the report. …

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; donttreadonme; guncontrol; gunownership; lawabidinggunowners; murderrate; nocompromise; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 02/06/2013 11:06:05 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Factor the illegals out of the statistics and the United States would be even further down the list of gun-related (and other forms of) violence. With over 20,000,000 illegals swarming all over the land, that’s more than sufficient to grossly inflate the numbers to make America appear more dangerous.


2 posted on 02/06/2013 11:14:22 AM PST by re_nortex
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To: Olog-hai
WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE?, Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, Volume 30, Number 2, Spring 2007 (pp. 649-694)

OF HOLOCAUSTS AND GUN CONTROL, Washington University Law Quarterly, Volume 75, Number 3, Fall 1997 (pp. 1237-1275) (PDF of article)

3 posted on 02/06/2013 11:17:07 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Olog-hai

We have 89 guns for ever 100 residents?


4 posted on 02/06/2013 11:18:35 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Olog-hai

We have 89 guns for ever 100 residents.


5 posted on 02/06/2013 11:20:43 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Olog-hai
Guns keep America's free and guns will free America from Tyranny again. Soon it will be needed as the communists continue takeover.
6 posted on 02/06/2013 11:21:31 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Java4Jay
My guess is that would be a low side figure.
7 posted on 02/06/2013 11:23:07 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: re_nortex

You forgot the big elephant in the room: the largely black inner city cesspools of homicide and violent crime.


8 posted on 02/06/2013 11:23:15 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t really care about how someone is murdered but rather whether they are murdered.

The U.S. ranks 98th overall in the world in murder rate, putting us on the better side of midpack.

That said, a quick look at that list shows African/S.American countries with the highest murder rates and European/Asian countries with the lowest rates.

European-Americans have a murder rate comparable to Europeans, while African-Americans have a murder rate comparable to Africans.


9 posted on 02/06/2013 11:25:12 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: re_nortex

Factor out Chicago, DC, Detroit and East St. Louis. We wouldn’t be on the list at all.


10 posted on 02/06/2013 11:27:12 AM PST by Augie
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Bookmark. Thanks for posting!


11 posted on 02/06/2013 11:30:15 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Augie

That’s Racis!


12 posted on 02/06/2013 11:33:28 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: Olog-hai

2nd Amendment bump for later..........


13 posted on 02/06/2013 11:34:27 AM PST by indthkr
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To: Augie
Factor out Chicago, DC, Detroit and East St. Louis. We wouldn’t be on the list at all.

Very well said. I'll also add that East St. Louis is a most interesting case. Take a look at the crime data for Granite City, IL, an index of 329 and zero murders, just a few miles north of neighboring East Saint Louis, IL with an astronomical index of 2089 and 25 murders in just a single year.

Both towns are around the same size (under 30,000) and neither is wealthy, with average incomes and household values below that of entire state of Illinois. So what's the difference between the two?


14 posted on 02/06/2013 11:40:00 AM PST by re_nortex
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To: Olog-hai

The price to pay to ensure freedom from tyranny. The people of the United States own more firearms than most of the world’s armies combined. And that’s just the stuff they know about. There’s a reason our founding fathers created the second amendment, with it’s absolute certainty.


15 posted on 02/06/2013 11:45:21 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Olog-hai


Gloria: Do you know that sixty percent of all deaths in America are caused by guns?

Archie Bunker: Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out of windows?
16 posted on 02/06/2013 11:46:16 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Olog-hai
The only way to slow our gun violence is to select citizens of good character that can pass a strict background check, and then issue them a permit to carry a weapon. From then on the gang bangers will be very cautious when they haul out their shooter.
17 posted on 02/06/2013 11:51:43 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: SampleMan
The US white murder rate ~ white on white ~ is lower than that of Europe

The US black murder rate ~ black on black ~ is lower than that of any African nation.

We have inter-racial rates because, lo and behold, we have every race known on the face of the Earth ~ in plentiful numbers.

Even in those categories we are lower than the rates found elsewhere for inter-racial murder.

See those gun ownership rates? Americans are friendly and polite. Foreigners are nasty, churlish and murderous.

Obama wants us to be more like them.

18 posted on 02/06/2013 11:52:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SpaceBar
You forgot the big elephant in the room: the largely black inner city cesspools of homicide and violent crime.

Please see my post a bit later in this thread on that very subject. I was probably in the process of collating the irrefutable data and tracking down the links for my response just as you wrote this. You're absolutely right, the numbers don't lie and my hope is that the hard truths about black crime get publicized beyond Conservative venues such as Free Republic.

This is the type of material that should be the lead story on every network newscast and on the front pages of every newspaper and magazine. But it's not because it most definitely is, to borrow a phrase from (believe or not) Al Gore:

AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH

I'll also add that, even as bad as the black crimewave of murder has been, it doesn't even come close to the non-stop black genocide due to the Godless abortion industry:


19 posted on 02/06/2013 12:06:35 PM PST by re_nortex
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To: SpaceBar

yeah, and they voted almost 100% for Obama.


20 posted on 02/06/2013 12:24:21 PM PST by EyeSalveRich (Obama: usurper leader of the violent)
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