Posted on 02/06/2013 11:05:54 AM PST by Olog-hai
One of the most obnoxious liberal talking points on guns involves the idea that guns, in and of themselves, cause gun violence. Apparently, as this argument goes, guns or “gun culture” cause law-abiding citizens to transform into murderous nuts. In other words, more guns must mean more gun violence. The argument was famously made by sports writer Jason Whitlock and forwarded by Bob Costas on Sunday Night Football after a player reportedly murdered his girlfriend and killed himself. …
According to the latest Small Arms Survey conducted by the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies, the U.S. tops the world in civilian gun ownership. …
If Whitlock, Costas, and their allies are correct, that must mean that our gun murder rate is by far the highest in the world, right? We must be first in gun murders. But, according to information provided by the UN’s Office on Drugs and Crime and compiled by the Guardian, the answer is an emphatic “No.” … Instead, the U.S. has the 28th highest homicide by firearm rate of the countries in the report. …
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Factor the illegals out of the statistics and the United States would be even further down the list of gun-related (and other forms of) violence. With over 20,000,000 illegals swarming all over the land, that’s more than sufficient to grossly inflate the numbers to make America appear more dangerous.
OF HOLOCAUSTS AND GUN CONTROL, Washington University Law Quarterly, Volume 75, Number 3, Fall 1997 (pp. 1237-1275) (PDF of article)
We have 89 guns for ever 100 residents?
We have 89 guns for ever 100 residents.
You forgot the big elephant in the room: the largely black inner city cesspools of homicide and violent crime.
I don’t really care about how someone is murdered but rather whether they are murdered.
The U.S. ranks 98th overall in the world in murder rate, putting us on the better side of midpack.
That said, a quick look at that list shows African/S.American countries with the highest murder rates and European/Asian countries with the lowest rates.
European-Americans have a murder rate comparable to Europeans, while African-Americans have a murder rate comparable to Africans.
Factor out Chicago, DC, Detroit and East St. Louis. We wouldn’t be on the list at all.
Bookmark. Thanks for posting!
That’s Racis!
2nd Amendment bump for later..........
Very well said. I'll also add that East St. Louis is a most interesting case. Take a look at the crime data for Granite City, IL, an index of 329 and zero murders, just a few miles north of neighboring East Saint Louis, IL with an astronomical index of 2089 and 25 murders in just a single year.
Both towns are around the same size (under 30,000) and neither is wealthy, with average incomes and household values below that of entire state of Illinois. So what's the difference between the two?
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The price to pay to ensure freedom from tyranny. The people of the United States own more firearms than most of the world’s armies combined. And that’s just the stuff they know about. There’s a reason our founding fathers created the second amendment, with it’s absolute certainty.
The US black murder rate ~ black on black ~ is lower than that of any African nation.
We have inter-racial rates because, lo and behold, we have every race known on the face of the Earth ~ in plentiful numbers.
Even in those categories we are lower than the rates found elsewhere for inter-racial murder.
See those gun ownership rates? Americans are friendly and polite. Foreigners are nasty, churlish and murderous.
Obama wants us to be more like them.
Please see my post a bit later in this thread on that very subject. I was probably in the process of collating the irrefutable data and tracking down the links for my response just as you wrote this. You're absolutely right, the numbers don't lie and my hope is that the hard truths about black crime get publicized beyond Conservative venues such as Free Republic.
This is the type of material that should be the lead story on every network newscast and on the front pages of every newspaper and magazine. But it's not because it most definitely is, to borrow a phrase from (believe or not) Al Gore:
I'll also add that, even as bad as the black crimewave of murder has been, it doesn't even come close to the non-stop black genocide due to the Godless abortion industry:
yeah, and they voted almost 100% for Obama.
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Classic!
67% of firearm murders took place in the country’s 50 largest metro areas.
The 62 cities in those metro areas have a firearm murder rate of 9.7, more than twice the national average. Among teenagers the firearm murder rate is 14.6 or almost three times the national average. Those numbers are from six years ago. They have grown worse since.
Those are the crowded cities of Obamerica. The places with the most restrictive gun control laws and the highest crime rates. These are the places where the family is broken, money comes from the government and immigrants crowd in from some of the most violent parts of the world bringing with them their own organized crime. These are also the places that have run by Democrats and their political machines for almost as long as they have been broken.
Obama won every major city in the election, except for Jacksonville and Salt Lake City. And the higher the death rate, the bigger his victory. He won New Orleans by 80 to 17 where the murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. He won Detroit, where the murder rate of 53 per 100,000 people is the second highest in the country and twice as high as any country in the world, including the Congo and South Africa. He won it 73 to 26. And then he celebrated his victory in Chicago where the murder rate is three times the statewide average.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52538
I don’t know who these Graduate Institute—— geniuses are but they come late to the party with only half a six pak. It sounds more like they’re downplaying how magnificantly well armed the American population is. The real number would be more like 125 guns per 100 folks. Going clear back to WW II the number was one-to-one with the total gun count being around 150 million. At the turn of the 21 st century there were over 300 million privately owned guns in the US and we’ve been making over 10 million per year since with 2012 setting a record over 14 million. Whatever the exact ratio might be REMEMBER this: There are more privately owned firearms in the US than there are guns of every sort in the entire rest of the world especially including all the other militaries. And it’s going to stay that way———armed to the teeth-——Semper Fi
That is way too few.
Everybody needs a side arm, a shotgun, and a militia rifle.
“U.S. #1 By Far In Gun Ownership—But Only 28th In Gun Murder Rate”
Sounds like we’ve got alot of catchin up to do.
Remove black on black gang crime and we would drop out of the top 50.
“the U.S. has the 28th highest homicide by firearm rate of the countries in the report. …”
I know we can do better than this...U!S!A! U!S!A!
The top 3 Countries on the U.N. list are Honduras, El Salvador, and Jamaica. The U.S. is #28 on the U.N. list.
Thank you for posting this.
I am going to use it on several forums where I’m debating with people from various foreign countries who can’t figure out why Americans don’t just go ahead and ban private firearms because it would reduce our crime rate.
Facts are stubborn things and it looks like the facts are on our side here.
The Elephant in the room nobody will address:
Per Department of Justice statistics, between 1976-2005 blacks accounted for 12% of the US population yet 52.2% of all homicides committed. That number is not debatable.
Using back of the envelope numbers and anecdotal evidence, we can say that half of that 12% population can be taken out of the equation, as women virtually commit none of these murders (some, but not many). Now we are at 6%. More back of the envelope numbers show that toddlers do not commit murders and neither do those in their 90’s, 80’s, or 70’s. Take off about another 3%. So approximately 3% of the population (black males between the age of 15 and 35) is responsible for 52.2% of all homicides in this country.
Calling this a National Epidemic would be an understatement. But instead of dealing with it honestly, many of these people are paroled or get plea bargains for their violent behavior because a distant relative of theirs may have been oppressed hundreds of years ago. It is insanity, but it is the current “justice” system, one which ignores empirical data in favor of the god of Political Correctness.
I found a USDOJ report on Homicide Trends from 1980-2008 that claims 27 percent of all homicides for 2008 were committed by just one percent of the population - young black males under age 25.
It may have be already posted somewhere here at "FR" but it's worth seeing again...
Sometimes the little things can give you heart...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=39e_1360125919
Can't seem to get links to work...Just copy and paste...
The U.S. ranks 98th overall in the world in murder rate, putting us on the better side of midpack.”
Exactly correct. “Firearms Homicide” or “Gun violence” or “Gun murders” are all propaganda metrics. It does not matter to a homicide victim if they are murdered by stomping or a petrol bomb. They are dead. If nasty controls on guns results in less gun murders, but more stompings, you have made things worse, not better.
To look at “firearms crime” is to stack the deck. It is propaganda from the start.
I know we can do better than this...U!S!A! U!S!A!
When they ban guns and try to confiscate them enmass we will be number 1. (And I helped)
Every time I meet somebody who claims that gun control will make America “safer,” I remind them that for the past several years, Mexico has had one of the highest per capita murder rates in the world, and it’s impossible for a civilian to own a handgun in Mexico and very difficult to own long arms.
Gun control sure made Sinaloa and Juarez safe!
More than 50% of USA gun murders are committed by Blacks.
Hispanics commit about 20% of gun murders.
Whites commit only 25%-30% of gun murders.
The gun murder rate by White Americans is about 2 per 100,000.
The gun murder rate by Whites in Switzerland is about 1 per 100,000.
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In fact, that 52.2% for Black murderers is almost certainly larger.
The DOJ does not disclose that about 30% of USA murders go unsolved each year.
Most of those unsolved murders occur in large urban areas, and many of them involve gang murders.
And here's another statistical issue...
Since about 1990, almost all federal crime statistics combine Whites and Hispanics as one race.
There are about a dozen academic studies on Google that claim the Hispanic murder rate is at least 2 times higher than the White murder rate.
“Safe in Mexico”
A couple of European newspapers are reporting a horrific crime in Acapulco.
A large group of young Spanish tourists were renting a beach side house.
A heavily armed group of Mexican males broke in, tied them up, robbed them, and ganged raped all the women.
For some unknown miraculous reason, the Mexicans didn’t kill any of the young Spaniards, and just fled the scene instead.
First thing I thought about was the American tourist who was thrown in a Mexican jail for months for possessing an antique shotgun.
Every criminal in Mexico KNOWS that tourists and most citizens have NO way to defend themselves.
There's a huge negative trickle down across the board from opening up the border and it's treasonous to not enforce border security, especially when we're supposedly at war here and there around the world.
The jobs the illegals take puts a lot of lower income Americans out of work, leaving them with growing needs, especially if they have family to support, and a lot of time on their hands. Not good.
That number increases dramatically when you add the artificial minimum wage, child labor laws and now, the need to avoid obamacare punishments, whereas before these government "fixes" we had much higher employment, but especially from high school age on up. Idle youth, not good.
Learning about work, acquiring skills, learning a good work ethic and good work habits early makes for a better life and a better country. That's how it used to be here.
We've legislated those benefits away and have created higher unemployment along with higher crime and murder/suicide rates as a bonus.
Amerika: Progressive social engineering at it's best. Beware the two horned lamb!
Well done -
I used to use the 1999 FBI/DOJ (Reno-Clinton) Uniform Crime Reports stats with racial and sex breakdowns
Using lying liberal democrat numbers whacks the anti-gunners in the head with a 4x4
Black male teenagers in Washington DC had a higher murder-perp rate per 100,000 (about 250/100,000) than in Rowanda during the tribal wars there
Another fact jumped out:
A number of states had totals of only 0-3 murders with guns in a whole year
But large urban high-minority cities like DC, Gary, New Orleans, NYC, LA, Saint Louis, etc. were killing fields
White middle-aged men in rural areas had a firearm/perp kill rate of under 1/100,000
Obamaville in Chicago and Detroit today are great examples
Is a 15% smaller brain to blame?
Don't ask me! I am not a doctor or an anthropologist!
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Thanks for the new tag line.
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