Posted on 02/05/2013 5:29:33 PM PST by fractionated
The House of Commons voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to approve a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in Britain, indicating that the bill is assured of passage as it moves through further legislative stages....
After a six-hour debate, the Commons vote was 400 to 175 for the bill. It will have to pass in the House of Lords, where delaying tactics by opponents are possible, but Mr. Cameron has said that he plans to have the bill enacted into law sometime this summer.....
A day after the newly confirmed archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, took office saying that he shared the Church of England’s opposition to same-sex marriage, three cabinet officials said in a letter published in The Daily Telegraph that the new legislation was “the right thing to do at the right time.”
“Marriage has evolved over time,” the letter said. “We believe that opening it up to same-sex couples will strengthen, not weaken, the institution.”
The three ministers — George Osborne, the chancellor of the Exchequer, Foreign Secretary William Hague and Home Secretary Theresa May — also asked whether it was “any longer acceptable to exclude people from marriage simply because they love someone of the same sex.”
Ed Miliband, the leader of the opposition Labour Party, had said on Monday that he would urge his 255 legislators in the 649-member body to vote with him.
“I’ll be voting for equal marriage for a very simple reason: I don’t think that the person you love should determine the rights you have,” he said.
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Of course you’re cherrypicking. You dishonestly ignore the huge part of libertarianism centers on limiting the power of government and dismantling the welfare state, because you’ve got some kind of axe to grind.
True libertarians embrace libertarianism.
“Libertarian purists, however, don’t plan to be locked in the attic like a crazy aunt. Case in point: last month’s child-porn-gate”
“The fracas started with Mary J. Ruwart, the candidate with perhaps the deepest, purest libertarian roots”
“Ruwart’s is a classic libertarian take — a defense of free will (even for “child performers”) and an attack on government prohibitions of any kind.”
“The party’s executive director, Shane Cory, saw the danger as well, and rushed out a press release titled, “Libertarians call for increased communication to combat child pornography.” Cory was attacked by hardliners who saw the release as an endorsement of increased federal prosecuting power. The party refused to vote on a resolution asking states to strongly enforce existing child porn laws.”
Conservatives fight big government and for dismantling the welfare state, it is what they are known for, libertarians don’t reject conservatism over those issues, they reject conservatism over the issues that I keep revealing, and which the libs have made such incredible gains for 50 years.
Homosexuality, drugs, abortion, gay marriage, porn, open borders, etc.
The formal text of the Libertarian Party Platform on immigration. I think it says it all, do you see the end of welfare, smaller government, a reduction of social programs, the end of the democrat party in this immigration agenda?
COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER
IMMIGRATION:
“”The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.
The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.
Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.
Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””
If you are conservative, libertarians are the enemy, if you are a leftist, then they are your ally.
They will gladly open our borders to a world of democrat voters and let them have their dope, abortions, and gay marriage, and pedophilia, as long as you let them fantasize about it somehow resulting in voters who want to give themselves fewer goodies and who suddenly put down the crack pipe and vote like right wing conservatives on economic issues.
yes it is the enemy of civilization
Yeah, exactly. They agree with conservatives on those issues. And those issues aren't just small things. They are at the center of what libertarianism is about. Which makes it pretty obvious that libertarians aren't liberals.
do you see the end of welfare, smaller government, a reduction of social programs, the end of the democrat party in this immigration agenda?
Of course not. You have to look at the part of the platform where those issues are actually covered. For instance in the section on healthcare:
We favor restoring and reviving a free market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines.
Or the income tax:
All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a "Balanced Budget Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.
Or entitlements:
Retirement planning is the responsibility of the individual, not the government. Libertarians would phase out the current government-sponsored Social Security system and transition to a private voluntary system. The proper and most effective source of help for the poor is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals. We believe members of society will become more charitable and civil society will be strengthened as government reduces its activity in this realm.Or firearms:
The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.Or the redistribution of wealth:
Libertarians want all members of society to have abundant opportunities to achieve economic success. A free and competitive market allocates resources in the most efficient manner. Each person has the right to offer goods and services to others on the free market. The only proper role of government in the economic realm is to protect property rights, adjudicate disputes, and provide a legal framework in which voluntary trade is protected. All efforts by government to redistribute wealth, or to control or manage trade, are improper in a free society.Read it and weep, Mr. Cherrypicker.
Total BS.
And you’re a nutty one too.
What do you expect them to do -- honestly defend their love of Big Brother?
Totally true, conservatives are against abortion, gay marriage, homosexualizing the military, open borders, closing border controls and the INS, homosexual adoption, polygamy and pedophilia openly advertising heroin and porn, and so many of the other things that libertarians were formed to promote and fight for.
If you are conservative, libertarians are the enemy, if you are a leftist, then they are your ally.
Don’t lie about the libertarian platform and agenda, it calls for a long list of sick perversions and leftist dream goals.
open borders, incest, pedophilia, kiddie porn.... these are the worst ideas to embrace ever. EVER.
Only if you ignore the huge and fundamental areas of agreement between liberals and conservatives — some of which I just listed and which you will dishonestly ignore.
libertarians
Good gosh, you just described conservatism and neglected to mention the issues that makes libertarians reject the term conservative, and call themselves libertarians.
Here are the issues that causes the split, and why libertarians cannot call themselves conservative, or even want to call themselves conservative, and this list doesn’t even get into the pedophilia and polygamy.
Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.
Homosexuals; total freedom in the military, gay marriage, adoption, child custody and everything else.
Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.
Pornography; no restraint, no restrictions.
Drugs; Meth, Heroin, Crack, and anything new that science can come up with, zero restrictions.
Advertising those drugs, prostitution, and pornography; zero restrictions.
Military Strength; minimal capabilities.
John Tate of Campaign for Liberty explains libertarianism's appeal
Like what? Open borders? It's only a leftist dream if you ignore the dismantling of the welfare state, which when I last checked was not popular with leftists.
Legalizing drugs? Only a leftist dream if you ignore the dismantling of state run treatment centers and free needles, etc. And don't forgot that along these same lines libertarians would end regulations on big pharma, as well as end the liberal war on tobacco.
Pornography? Only if you ignore the ending of the threat of regulation of other media, specifically conservative media like talk radio. And I'll bet the libertarians would shut down NPR and other state sponsored agitprop in a heartbeat if they had their way.
Your dishonest argument fails when one looks at the whole picture.
You mean partial birth abortion, polygamy, gay marriage, homosexual adoption, pedophilia, etc? why lie by leaving off those items that have been posted numerous times on this thread?
The biggest laugh is this ""Open borders? It's only a leftist dream if you ignore the dismantling of the welfare state, which when I last checked was not popular with leftists.""
Several times I have tried to point out to you the childishness of that position of opening the borders to the entire world, and thinking that will result in hard core, right wing American conservatism that we haven't seen in 80 years.
It was immigration that turned us left in the first place.
Here is a challenge to you liberaltarians, dismantle the welfare state FIRST, then we will talk about opening the borders and all the other leftist nonsense that you guys promote.
Yeah, whatever. All the stuff I’ve listed is still there, studiously ignored by you. Maybe after you’ve acknowledged it we can talk.
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