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Memo justifies drone kills even with patchy intelligence
Yahoo! News ^ | 2/5/13 | Reuters

Posted on 02/05/2013 10:33:59 AM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The government has authorized the killing of American citizens as part of its controversial drone campaign against al Qaeda even without intelligence that such Americans are actively plotting to attack a U.S. target, according to a Justice Department memo.

The unclassified memo, first obtained by NBC News, argues that drone strikes are justified under American law if a targeted U.S. citizen had "recently" been involved in "activities" posing a possible threat and provided that there is no evidence suggesting the individual "renounced or abandoned" such activities.

The document was disclosed as a bipartisan group of U.S. senators called on the Obama administration to release to Congress "any and all" legal opinions laying out the government's understanding of what legal powers the president has to deliberately kill American citizens.

The senators who signed the letter, including members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the administration's cooperation would "help avoid an unnecessary confrontation that could affect the Senate's consideration of nominees for national security purposes."

Obama has nominated John Brennan, his White House counter terrorism adviser, who defends drone strikes, to lead the CIA.

An Intelligence Committee confirmation hearing on the nomination is scheduled for Thursday, and Brennan is likely to face questioning on drone policy.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: brennan; criminalcharges; drone; dronekilllist; droneskill; hitlist; holder; illegitimategov; indite; intelligence; jail; justifies; kills; memo; ndaa; patchy; removefromoffice; unconstitutional; wot
How long before no sky is safe, no home is secure, no liberty is left to protect and then a HeLLFiRe drops smack dab in your backyard pit? Brave New Battlefield

Waco, Ruby Ridge, .. next? (them folks was US citizens too.. case anyone forgot)

1 posted on 02/05/2013 10:34:06 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Then use a drone strike on Nadil Hasan, that treasonist Islamonazi bastard and those who knew of his communication with Al Qaeda and permitted him to strike anyway.


2 posted on 02/05/2013 10:36:08 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: NormsRevenge
"...drone strikes are justified under American law if a targeted U.S. citizen had "recently" been involved in "activities" posing a possible threat and provided that there is no evidence suggesting the individual "renounced or abandoned" such activities."

It sounds like this include members of the 2nd Black Panthers in front of voting booths, no?
3 posted on 02/05/2013 10:38:34 AM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: NormsRevenge
The leftists who wet themselves when Bush endorsed the Patriot Act will be absolutely beside themselves over this.

Any minute now.

4 posted on 02/05/2013 10:39:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: NormsRevenge
DHS Drone Lethality Checklist:

1) Registered Republican? If yes, proceed to 2)

2) Gun owner? If yes, proceed to 3)

3) Christian? If yes, proceed to 4)

4) Member of right wing hate site such as Free Republic.com? If yes, proceed to 5)

5) Release of Hellfire authorized. Terminate with prejudice. All other considerations secondary. Family expendable.

5 posted on 02/05/2013 10:40:31 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Dear Congress Critter: Help create jobs and support RKBA by repealing 18 USC 922 (o).)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s fun to sit back and push a button to kill someone when you know they can’t do anything about it - and you are all safe and snuggly in DC.


6 posted on 02/05/2013 10:40:46 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: NormsRevenge

Imagine, Gen Fay is still being feted by marxists on college campuses at the same time this sh*t is going on in the Obama administration.


7 posted on 02/05/2013 10:41:44 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Darteaus94025

I agree, seen thru the DoJ prism of Corruption&Tyranny , sadly Holder’s ‘Dark Knights’ get a auto-media-pass and a freedom from prosecution, to boot.


8 posted on 02/05/2013 10:42:59 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: skeeter

Indeed. MSNBC’s direct relationship with NBC proper means they will blow FOX out of the water on this story. I expect 24/7 coverage from MSNBC, to the point where they don’t even re-run their evening shows.


9 posted on 02/05/2013 10:43:53 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: broken_arrow1

When war is reduced to nothing more than an impersonal affair, just a game,, it’s easy to lose track of who one is and who one then becomes,, my vice is online poker, well, lately anyway.. my joysticks were retired long a go..


10 posted on 02/05/2013 10:46:33 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge

Who is the domestic terrorist gonna be? The private gun owner who refuses to relinquish his/her 2A rights or the feral social justice domestic security looter kicking in the front door?


11 posted on 02/05/2013 10:47:52 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: NormsRevenge; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; PhilDragoo; All
           
 

12 posted on 02/05/2013 10:48:45 AM PST by potlatch
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To: NormsRevenge
Incredible -- they've simultaneously confirmed that yes, you, random American citizen, are liable to get whacked by the CIA/ATF/KGB, while also making you the object of total public ridicule if you are distrustful of the government!

And consider the wider precedent this sets. Most sheeple won't be terribly bothered by this because the whole debate is framed around the concept of a drone-strike, they can't imagine their house or car or place of employment getting flattened by a hellfire missile. But if they can kill you without trial, without warning, without concrete reason, using a drone, they can just as easily justify killing you with a poison dart or a cynanide pill or a bullet to the back of the head on a dark street.

13 posted on 02/05/2013 10:48:54 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: NormsRevenge

Imagine being targeted by a drone with fully automatic weapons and running to hide from it while a liberal Obama mind controlled nerd laughs his a$$ off hysterically while guiding it using his joystick and sitting at his computer drinking his Monster energy drink and eating Taco Bell.

This is where we’re headed if patriots don’t rise up. I think many real
patiots would have no problem locating the drone bunkers and gladly “remove” their “pilots” from active duty the old-fasioned American Way if they began targeting civilians


14 posted on 02/05/2013 10:49:31 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: NormsRevenge

Pretty much removes any doubt of the undeclared war being waged against We the People, don’t you think?


15 posted on 02/05/2013 10:53:04 AM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: NormsRevenge

No wonder Benghazi was no big deal.

It is part of Obama’s job description to kill Americans. Talk about a war on women...


16 posted on 02/05/2013 10:59:37 AM PST by Delta Dawn (at)
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To: DCBryan1

LOL


17 posted on 02/05/2013 10:59:55 AM PST by Tula Git
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To: NormsRevenge

I loved Rush’s comment on this just now.

Paraphrasing, he said the Regime’s position appears to be that you can kill a suspected terrorist, even an American citizen, without due process, but you can’t waterboard him.

That would be inhumane.


18 posted on 02/05/2013 11:02:56 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: jsanders2001

Drone bunkers aren’t needed to control drones with today’s linkage technology. That liberal Obama nerd could be targeting you right now from his ipad while he’s sippin’ on a double mocha latte at the local Starbucks.


19 posted on 02/05/2013 11:05:13 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: NormsRevenge

There is no longer any respect for the constitution and the only thing keeping the politicians from using drone strikes on american soil is the prospect of having their necks stretched from a streetlight. Once that fear is gone expect to see them as a common occurrance.


20 posted on 02/05/2013 11:05:59 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: NormsRevenge

If you read the White Paper it states right up front “in a foreign country”. I don’t have a problem with that.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf


21 posted on 02/05/2013 11:10:30 AM PST by McGruff (You know they can't post anything on the Internet that isn't true.)
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To: NormsRevenge

If the targeted American is in the hinterlands of Pakistan, I figure he’s a terrorist by association. If he’s on American soil, that’s a whole ‘nuther topic.


22 posted on 02/05/2013 11:11:40 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: NormsRevenge

So what was that argument again about the general citizenry not owning AR-15s?


23 posted on 02/05/2013 11:17:50 AM PST by mom.mom
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To: TexasRepublic

I suggest then sir, that you NEVER travel abroad if that is your sole criteria. Unfortunately, some of us have to travel abroad occasionally (I was in the UAE earlier this year.) I guess that makes us all targets whenever whomever decides for whatever reason that we are enemies of the state. Cold comfort.


24 posted on 02/05/2013 11:32:23 AM PST by Smogger
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To: DCBryan1

The Patriot Act and the DHS was always meant for right-wingers, Christians, and gun owners. There were people that tried warned about it when Bush started the ball rolling but it was too much fun to get scared of the Al Qaeda boogie man. Now Grandma gets groped at the airport, the local policed have been thoroughly militarized and federalized, every American has their phone calls and email tapped, and Al Qaeda gets money and arms, courtesy of the US taxpayers, to attack sovereign countries that pose no threat to the USA.


25 posted on 02/05/2013 12:15:56 PM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: potlatch; NormsRevenge; ntnychik

26 posted on 02/05/2013 12:42:16 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: RightOnTheBorder

There won’t be a single drone strike on American soil.
That would be the bridge too far.

If they use drones on American soil, it will be a massive coordinated attack, after which they don’t think they’ll face any more resistance.


27 posted on 02/05/2013 12:44:20 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I have to disagree.

There has already been an attack on Americans on American soil with helicopter gunships and tanks.

A drone attack would be much less visable and the media will ignore it.


28 posted on 02/05/2013 12:52:24 PM PST by Texas resident (I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on FR)
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To: NormsRevenge
How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American

Drone strikes: Obama moves to block release of files on kill programme (6/2012)

29 posted on 02/05/2013 2:34:37 PM PST by opentalk
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

“But if they can kill you without trial,without warning, without concrete reason,using a drone,they can just as easily justify killing you with a poison dart or a cynanide pill or a bullet to the back of the head on a dark street.”

That’s called an “accident”, “natural cause” or “suicide”. If it’s convenient for the government, it’s all just a coincidence, comrade


30 posted on 02/05/2013 2:57:45 PM PST by varyouga
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To: varyouga


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31 posted on 02/05/2013 3:03:42 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MurrietaMadman
Pretty much removes any doubt of the undeclared war being waged against We the People, don’t you think?

Yes. However in another era it was said that you can conquer the Empire from horseback, but you cannot rule it from horseback. Sadly it may turn out that Obama's ghost writer's claim that 25 million people have to die for "utopia" to arise may be the river that has to be crossed from conquest to rule.


32 posted on 02/05/2013 6:03:31 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: McGruff
If you read the White Paper it states right up front “in a foreign country”. I don’t have a problem with that.

A State that peacefully secedes is an independent Sovereign and thus a foreign country. Not peaceful for long, I suppose.


33 posted on 02/05/2013 6:06:39 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: magooey

It would be the mother of all political river crossings so I believe that 25 million number is a conservative estimate.

Additional millions will be comprised of societies dregs if the crossing is successful.


34 posted on 02/05/2013 8:59:42 PM PST by MurrietaMadman
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