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Senate to introduce gun control bill without assault weapons ban
American Thinker ^ | February 4, 2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 02/04/2013 2:49:17 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
We are a SCOTUS heart attack away from losing the 2nd amendment. And I hope all of the conservative “crusaders” who stayed home on election night rather than voting for that Northeastern Rino remember that too. There are now four Liberal radicals on the court. One more radical justice and they could rule the 2nd amendment only applies to the “Militia.” This was the most important election in our history, and granted Romney is quite a bit more Liberal than I would prefer, he was a good honest man who in my opinion, would have made a good President.
51 posted on 02/04/2013 4:12:14 PM PST by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: neverdem

Baby steps.

F U B O!


52 posted on 02/04/2013 4:20:23 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: neverdem

More bait and switch.


53 posted on 02/04/2013 4:28:55 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: neverdem

So if I want to give my rifle to my nephew I have to go to a licensed gun dealer and pay to give it away?


54 posted on 02/04/2013 4:52:04 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: longtermmemmory
This is about registration.

Damn right. And registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation at some point in time. History shows the proof of this. But in a way, this is a good thing for them to try. Keep the issue boiling at a steady simmer for our side (which includes loads of democrats in some very pro gun states. Keep the reality that the RAT's are gun grabbers front and center in the minds of the people right up till the 2014 election cycle. Then hopefully we'll see a repeat of the 1994 election and gain a firmer grip on the House and take back the Senate. Then, with a veto proof majority we can keep the usurper on the bench till we can take over the Oval, too.

55 posted on 02/04/2013 4:53:31 PM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: neverdem

So, whoever was saying the Feinstein Assault Weapons ban was a decoy is obviously the winner...


56 posted on 02/04/2013 4:54:47 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: neverdem
Apparently they don't get it because they are spending all their time listening to themselves and the media who just repeat what they tell them. I don't think they've taken any interest in listening to real gun owners... the ones who will end their careers next election.


======================= We all know the "assault weapons ban" is nothing short of idiocy and has been proven a waste of time. Same with the magazine bans. Anyone who supports them has questionable motives and every gun owner see's it this way. Anyone who supports these bans is dishonest to say the least.
We keep hearing that "most gun owners support stronger background checks". Well again, BS; and here is why: We know they can't be trusted to keep it honest and simple. We know THEY control the decisions on who gets a green light and who doesn't... and they can change the requirements anytime they like. We also know it's nothing more than disguised registration.
So, what would I support?
- Let us take weapons to an FFL for checks. this does a few good things for sellers and buyers. It gives the seller some peace of mind that the buyer isn't a felon and it gives the buyer the opportunity to check and make sure the gun isn't stolen. Meeting at a gun shop also reduces your risk of getting jacked by some craigslist thug in a dark parking lot. The problem is, the possible risks are just not worth it.
First, it's yet another way for FFL's to rape us for 40 bucks every time we sell a 100 dollar rifle just like they do when they sign for a UPS package for us. It pi#@$es us off!
Second, we don't trust government to purge the record of the names, SSN's and firearm serial numbers as soon as the check is complete. They have proven time and again that they cannot be trusted and cannot keep their promises. We also know THEY control the guidelines for approving the sale. Hell, all they would have to do is classify nail-biters as a public risk (like they already have for Tea Party conservatives) and you are done, no guns for you.
Also, the arbitration process for getting OFF the list is a joke, it can't be done... ask anyone who has tried. It doesn't matter if it's accidental, justified or not.

See, I can tell them what sort of measures I would support, but in the same breath it is important to let them know it can never come to pass because they cannot be trusted; and that's the very reason the Constitution prohibits them from meddling with this right to begin with.

57 posted on 02/04/2013 5:16:56 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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58 posted on 02/04/2013 5:18:16 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: 3Fingas

Why is the SERIAL NUMBER and MODEL NUMBER needed for a background check? It seems to me that you should ONLY check the person and be done with it. Nothing is gained with serial and model numbers,UNLESS someone is trying to build up a database for later confiscation (which, of course, our government denies they want to do)

If someone is so unstable they cannot own a gun, why are they still on the street? (with access to cars,gasoline,swords,knives,etc)


59 posted on 02/04/2013 5:29:59 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: EXCH54FE

I heard on CNN that the “clip” fits into the “Mag” /S

That’s true.You just take an adapter that connects the stripper clip to the magazine and push down on the bullets in the stripper clip until the magazine is loaded.Its Great.

Sure beats loading those mags one round at a time.


60 posted on 02/04/2013 5:46:41 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: mcmuffin

Stripper Clip on the Right.

Magazine on the left.


61 posted on 02/04/2013 5:47:48 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: neverdem

“The goal is to get the bill to the Senate floor next month...”

It’s probably no coincidence that the U.N. Small Arms Treaty
also comes up for debate in the UN next month.

Hmmm. What did Thomas Jefferson say about eternal vigilance and liberty?


62 posted on 02/04/2013 5:52:13 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: neverdem
Do not think this is even a partial victory. We need to fight against magazine size limits and background checks. I have no trust in politicians to craft language when it comes to background checks, particularly when it comes to mental health. There are too many vets that have been on the shrink's couch and now have mental health records. There are too many people in general that have bought into a bunch a psycho babble that creates mental health records. These people have as much of a 2nd Amendment right given to them by God as anyone else. I will go as far as any criminal that has served their time has 2nd Amendment right. If they are still a threat to society, then they should be in prison.

As for magazine size, I use standard sized magazines in my ARs (that would be 30 rounds. This is about as arbitrary as cosmetics of a weapon.

If it safety that we are after, then the government should drop the registration and $200 tax stamp on silencers. That will save a lot of people's hearing.

63 posted on 02/04/2013 5:56:31 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: neverdem

No. Any power they attempt to exert here should be seen as illigitimate and ignored by the strongest terms possible.

If they send enforcers with illegal orders to enforce their unConstitutional edicts...

Defend your Rights with force.


64 posted on 02/04/2013 6:09:06 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: neverdem

No!

Go after criminals and the mentally ill!


65 posted on 02/04/2013 6:10:56 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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Freepers, your Contributions make every difference!
Please keep ‘em coming! Thank you all very much!

66 posted on 02/04/2013 6:14:52 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: carriage_hill; Georgia Girl 2; Lancey Howard
Toomey is good

No he isn't. I corresponded with him two weeks ago. He is a gutless, unprincipled politician (I just left out a few expletives). His reply was, I am paraphrasing, in light of the Newton, CT shootings, he will keep an open mind. He went on to write that he will consider all legislation.

If Toomey was pro 2a then he would write that he would fight to maintain and extend our 2a rights.

Toomey also voted to confirm John F'n Kerry, an American traitor. Toomey has no principles, but worse than that, he doesn't understand that there are over 5 million gun owners in PA that he could appeal by having some principles.

So in my book, he needs an opponent in the next election. He certainly will not get anything out of me but me bad mouthing him. He is now GOPe ... Might as well be dead.

67 posted on 02/04/2013 6:15:16 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I honestly hadn’t heard a word of that; his aide say he wasn’t voting against 2A, and would block any AWB. He HAD principles when we TP put him in; if he’s gone GOPe, then he needs booting-out. I need to do some serious research instead of taking the aide’s word about him. Thanks for the tip-off.


68 posted on 02/04/2013 6:24:42 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: carriage_hill
Here's the text of the letter he sent me (it was a canned letter BTW):

Thank you for contacting me about gun control. I appreciate hearing from you.
As you may know, January 16, 2013, President Obama announced a variety of gun policy measures in response to the Newtown, CT killings. I therefore value knowing your views on this important issue, which is important to me as I carefully review the President's proposals. Like many Pennsylvanians, I believe that Second Amendment rights are important and must be protected, but there may be areas of agreement with the White House that can be addressed to improve public safety. I also believe that people who use guns in an illegal manner or harm others with them should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
That said, we have consistently observed that mass killings are the result of serious mental illness. We therefore need to better protect ourselves from mentally ill individuals who seek to carry out such atrocities, including improved background checks. We also need to review and improve how we take care of the mentally ill. As I continue working with my Senate colleagues on both sides of the aisle on public safety, please be assured that I will keep your views about firearms in mind.
Thank you again for your correspondence. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future if I can be of assistance.
Sincerely,
Pat Toomey

He doesn't get the part of the 2a that says, "shall not be infringed." Plus, confirming John Kerry really shows Toomey's colors. Only a RINO would confirm Kerry. Toomey is a spineless pussy. If he was a man, a patriot, he would be making an argument about expanding 2a rights instead of being on the defensive.

69 posted on 02/04/2013 6:37:28 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: puppypusher
I use a great tool to load my Ruger Mag. check it out...

Butler Creek 9mm-.45 Caliber LULA Universal Pistol Loader and Unloader
Sold by Amazon.com LLC

No more cut fingers and it is a lot faster,more time on the firing line, less time loading....

MOLON LABE

70 posted on 02/04/2013 6:41:30 PM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416)
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To: Gaffer

No Bill or face defeat in the next election. Tea party RULES!!!


71 posted on 02/04/2013 6:44:32 PM PST by willardwx
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To: Marcella
I asked Impact Guns to send me e-mail notification when they get Ruger 10-22 25 round mags. Still waiting.....
72 posted on 02/04/2013 7:01:06 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: EdReform; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks EdReform.


73 posted on 02/04/2013 7:02:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: neverdem
"...and require better record keeping to keep guns out of the hands of those with mental illnesses."

Forcing all states to report all mental health records to the NCIC? Very interesting. That would be the way to an eventual ban against anyone owning firearms. Those banned because of various minor neuroses would probably be bent on banning everyone else from owning them. There are simply too many who've been to shrinks with such complaints. There's also the issue of outlawing firearms and ammunition possession for so many veterans who've seen psychs. for minor reasons.


74 posted on 02/04/2013 7:06:17 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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- no brains in the White Hut: :

http://www.google.com/search?ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&source=hp&gbv=1&q=who+was+Skeeter+Skelton

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75 posted on 02/04/2013 7:08:57 PM PST by devolve ( ---- It's not where Obama was born that's the problem; it's where he's living now ---- ----)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Wow; you’re right. He’s a wet rag on the US Constitution. Maybe I could mail him a functioning brain, pair of balls or a spine.


76 posted on 02/04/2013 7:11:28 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s & AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. The 2nd Amendment is the First Human Right.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I always thought Toomey was a Tea Party guy. I guess not.


77 posted on 02/04/2013 7:15:09 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: upchuck
Senate doesn't seem interested in Assault Weapon Ban, will push for expanded background checks
78 posted on 02/04/2013 7:15:09 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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Give your rifle to your nephew last Christmas with a ribbon on it

Then borrow it

Obama and the left like retroactive bullsiht

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79 posted on 02/04/2013 7:16:40 PM PST by devolve ( ---- It's not where Obama was born that's the problem; it's where he's living now ---- ----)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I think the Tea Party in Pa embraced him because he was so much better than the opposition. To tell you the truth, I am not a Tea Party guy. I am a conservative and always have been. The Tea Party has too many populous tendencies for me.


80 posted on 02/04/2013 7:21:16 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: Gaffer

I was over at my local gun store this afternoon when they received a shipment of AR-15 magazines. They didn’t even bother putting them on the shelf. They simply wheeled the cases out with a couple of dollies and wrote the price on the front of the boxes. All ten cases were sold by the time I left forty minutes later.


81 posted on 02/04/2013 7:33:32 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Molon Labe!)
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To: neverdem; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; AuntB; stephenjohnbanker; ...
This is an outrage. Dems putting survival ahead of ‘principles’? Where is the ‘all or nothing’ attitude toward principles in Dems we are lectured about needing?

Time to call your favorite Senate Dem and demand that they include this AR ban ‘for gibby’.
Time for Senate Republicans to help O and Feinstein out and offer amendments to add this AR ban to their bill(and then vote against the bill, lets not go overboard.)

Help Dems be ‘principled’. Do it for gibby and the little ones.

82 posted on 02/04/2013 7:41:23 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: traditional1
"...who exercise their Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms..."

I'm just sayin'

83 posted on 02/04/2013 7:52:08 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: rcrngroup
Magazines contain and feed ammunition, clips are what bullets come attached together on and are jammed into a magazine with or without the clip

No it’s not semantics, they are different devices that perform different functions

Ping for later use.

84 posted on 02/04/2013 7:52:14 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: ConservativeInPA

Toomey lost me when he said he supported the sodomization of the US military.
I cannot vote for him again.


85 posted on 02/04/2013 8:00:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Toomey lost me when he said he supported the sodomization of the US military. I cannot vote for him again.

Well, that really does it for me. There is no place for faggots in the military and no place for women in combat. People can either take my word on that or we will continue to lose wars.

BTW, the reason we continue to lose wars is because of faggots in Washington, some Republicans included. I have no idea where real men have gone in the country.

86 posted on 02/04/2013 8:10:20 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: neverdem

Re: Gun Control - Professor Rummel’s stuff is always worth a look. He coined the term democide, meaning death by government. He estimates that in the twentieth century alone various governments have killed 262 million of their citizens. Most of those killed were in countries without a second amendment. His stats will surprise you.

Democide

Main article: Democide

Rummel is the creator of the term democide: “the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder”. He has further stated: “I use the civil definition of murder, where someone can be guilty of murder if they are responsible in a reckless and wanton way for the loss of life, as in incarcerating people in camps where the may soon die of malnutrition, unattended disease, and forced labor, or deporting them into wastelands where they may die rapidly from exposure and disease.”

His research concludes that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, he estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century[7] and that six times as many people have died at the hands of people working for governments than have died in battle.

See link below after this teaser:

“He argues that there is a relation between political power and democide. Political mass murder grows increasingly common as political power becomes unconstrained. At the other end of the scale, where power is diffuse, checked, and balanced, political violence is a rarity. “The more power a regime has, the more likely people will be killed. This is a major reason for promoting freedom.” He concludes: “Concentrated political power is the most dangerous thing on earth.””

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Rummel


87 posted on 02/04/2013 8:12:15 PM PST by donaldo
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To: BlueStateMadness

“No it’s not semantics, they are different devices that perform different functions.”

I too have been frustrated at trying to explain the difference. A picture is worth a thousand words. Thanks for setting the record straight, it’s obvious that a gun will not function with a ‘clip’.


88 posted on 02/04/2013 8:14:21 PM PST by Amish with an attitude
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To: Carry_Okie
What they want is a database of their enemies. They don’t give a crap what kind of weapons we have. That’s all posturing.

Ding ding ding ding!! We have a winner! That is the bottom line. They want a database for round two.

89 posted on 02/04/2013 8:16:26 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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Me? I’m not going to negotiate ANYTHING!

Listen-up you socialist, liberal, ignorant FOOLS!

It's not a government-given right, it is an inalienable right!!

It's not a hunting right. It's not a target shooting right. It's not simply a self-protection right.

I have the God-given right (and responsibility) to defend myself, my family, and my possessions AND MY RIGHTS from thieves - WHATEVER kind of thief they might be!! I won't compromise. I won't compare. I won't retreat. I won't relax. I won't give up.

YOU can go ahead and do whatever you want! As for me - I KNOW FREEDOM and I won't be a slave to you or your new world order.

90 posted on 02/04/2013 8:17:16 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: hondact200
This will be as effective as having all criminals register as criminals!

No, they will create a whole new criminal class of honorable, law abiding citizens who failed to dot an "I" or cross a "T" with a new jumble of paperwork to fill out. Didn't Waco start over Koresh not having the right permit or some such nonsense?

91 posted on 02/04/2013 8:21:06 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: neverdem

You know that AR you paid $1,500 for? I’ll give you $900.

Figured this bill would bomb.


92 posted on 02/04/2013 8:21:20 PM PST by gotribe (obama = the Great Divider)
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To: EXCH54FE

I have a Butler Hot Lips 25 mag and a Butler loader for my Ruger 22 LR. The loader was a necessity as my fingers are not large and strong like a man’s.


93 posted on 02/04/2013 8:24:01 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: donaldo

Thanks for the link.


94 posted on 02/04/2013 8:24:53 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: tumblindice
“I asked Impact Guns to send me e-mail notification when they get Ruger 10 -22 25 round mags. Still waiting.....”

You seriously need to eat something, even a zombie or two would put some meat on your bare bones.

Well, I have that Hot Lips one and I ordered one from the actual Ruger company website so at some time in the after life I should get that Ruger made one. I'm still waiting for boxes of 22 LR HPs that I ordered a month ago - I have no 22 lr ammo. As JRandomFreeper says, when I get that PINK rifle this week, it's a club until I find ammo.

Please eat - your bony body looks sad.

95 posted on 02/04/2013 8:32:16 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
“Well, that really does it for me. There is no place for faggots in the military and no place for women in combat.”

This is the best way to have no functioning military. We have a volunteer military - how many straight men want to sign up with homosexuals and women in their fox holes? To do that would be suicide.

I am a woman and smart as hell, but no way do I have the strength of a man. I don't want him to think he has to protect me when the enemy is moving on the foxhole. I have no business being there. I'm so damn smart I could be the medic to save your life behind the lines, but my brains cannot physically fight like you guys. Why these idiots did this makes no sense except to weaken the military.

96 posted on 02/04/2013 8:43:04 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella
I have a Butler Hot Lips 25 mag and a Butler loader for my Ruger 22 LR.

Well I hope that you can get that loader in pink so it matches! :)

97 posted on 02/04/2013 9:08:38 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: neverdem

it’s still incrementalism and they’re just going to keep going for more.

best to just draw a line in the sand and oppose it altogether.


98 posted on 02/04/2013 9:32:49 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem

“A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.”~Vladimir Ilyich Lenin


99 posted on 02/04/2013 9:35:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: All
Forget 'assault weopons,' forget magazine limits, forget backgrounds checks, forget ammo anything. The bill the senate should introduce that would create the biggest degree of safety for the American people would be the Bill to Abolish all Gun Laws:

"Senate Bill A1234 stating as follows: 'A bill to repeal and abolish all previous Federal Gun Laws effective immediately.' The reasons are obvious, no explanation necessary.

Senator Reid, can we have an immediate floor vote?

100 posted on 02/04/2013 9:50:31 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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