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It IS King Richard III: Scientists reveal DNA results confirm regal identity of body...
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 4th February 2013 | Damien Gayle

Posted on 02/04/2013 3:11:38 AM PST by naturalman1975

The body of a man killed in battle found beneath a social services office car park in Leicester is that of Richard III, DNA analysis confirmed today.

Dr Turi King of the University of Leicester said that there was a DNA match between the maternal line of a descendant of the family of Richard III and the remains found beneath Grey Friars car park.

Lead researcher Dr Richard Buckley added: 'It is the academic conclusion of the University of Leicester that beyond reasonable doubt the remains found in Leicester are that of Richard III, the last Plantagenet king of England.'

The announcement follows months of analysis of the remains since they were unearthed last September and growing speculation that they were indeed those of the last Plantagenet king.

Researchers from the University of Leicester, which led the dig and investigation, yesterday released an image of dead man's skull, which seemed in remarkably good condition considering the time it has spent beneath the earth.

The skull was part of a skeleton – complete with a metal arrowhead embedded in its spine and signs of ‘battle trauma’ – unearthed by archaeologists in September, two weeks after they began excavating the city centre site of the former Greyfriars church.

In a lengthy press conference, researchers outlined the various tests and checks they carried out to determine the identity of the skeleton.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: coupdetat; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; henrytheusurper; henryvii; kingrichardiii; murderedbytraitors; plantanget; richardiii; shakespeare; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 02/04/2013 3:11:52 AM PST by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

" And fall thy edgeless sword: despair, and die!-- "

2 posted on 02/04/2013 3:53:06 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: naturalman1975

A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse.


3 posted on 02/04/2013 4:01:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Prospero
"'By blaming Richard for everything, (Henry) Tudor escaped blame for anything for two hundred years, until people were at last free to pose questions."

Bush's fault.

4 posted on 02/04/2013 4:07:35 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Prospero
"An effing arrow to my back hath laid me to rot under thy parked beemer"
5 posted on 02/04/2013 4:11:07 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: naturalman1975
BTW, great new series on PBS Shakespeare Uncovered. Several episodes are available for streaming on the internet including Henry IV & V with Jeremy Irons which I saw over the weekend. Very well produced. I'm excited about it.
6 posted on 02/04/2013 4:13:11 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: DainBramage
Convey me not. Thou, no worst a plot of ground shall have but under the tax monger's steedless horses!


7 posted on 02/04/2013 4:29:07 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: naturalman1975

They paved Plantagenet and put up a parking lot.


8 posted on 02/04/2013 4:39:04 AM PST by subaru
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To: subaru

He’s dead, Jim.


9 posted on 02/04/2013 4:41:14 AM PST by Delta Dawn (at)
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To: DainBramage
"An effing arrow to my back hath laid me to rot under thy parked beemer"

Twas my Kingdom, anon, thine shining buildings under mine control, until.... alas... thy arrow, it pierced my knee."


10 posted on 02/04/2013 4:49:58 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Prospero

So they can pull up Richard III, and over here we still can’t find Jimmy Hoffa’s remains.


11 posted on 02/04/2013 4:55:31 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: DainBramage

LOL


12 posted on 02/04/2013 4:58:45 AM PST by kitkat
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To: Sacajaweau

Shakespeare’s Richard III

CATESBY:
Rescue, my Lord of Norfolk, rescue, rescue!
The king enacts more wonders than a man,
Daring an opposite to every danger:
His horse is slain, and all on foot he fights,
Seeking for Richmond in the throat of death.
Rescue, fair lord, or else the day is lost!

KING RICHARD III:
A horse! a horse! my kingdom for a horse!

CATESBY:
Withdraw, my lord; I’ll help you to a horse.


13 posted on 02/04/2013 5:11:42 AM PST by GOPJ ( Revelation can be more perilous than Revolution. Vladimir Nabokov)
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To: naturalman1975

14 posted on 02/04/2013 5:14:50 AM PST by EternalVigilance (We still hold these truths to be self-evident.)
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To: naturalman1975
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean car park buried.

15 posted on 02/04/2013 5:20:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance (We still hold these truths to be self-evident.)
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To: naturalman1975

Last Plantagenet king. “Dr Turi King of the University of Leicester said that there was a DNA match”
Last king’s last doctor, Doctor King. It’s sorta elegant.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 5:48:18 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: naturalman1975

The article says that the grave was found 2,231 feet below ground level. That is awfully deep. That can’t be right, can it?


17 posted on 02/04/2013 6:02:52 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: AtlasStalled

That’s why you always hire professionals.


18 posted on 02/04/2013 6:26:16 AM PST by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: naturalman1975

This is really neat...wonder how EII is going to handle how to deal with the remains..formal funeral?
But REALLY, in jolly OLD England how do you pave anything thing over without checking what’s underneath?


19 posted on 02/04/2013 6:34:36 AM PST by matginzac
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To: naturalman1975
The Leonard Lopate Show: How to Speak Shakespeare.
20 posted on 02/04/2013 6:35:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: matginzac

My thoughts too. Will the British hold a state funeral for him? Will it be resplendent with royal traditions etc that will cost lots of money?


21 posted on 02/04/2013 6:42:38 AM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: naturalman1975
These days loyal Ricardians battle to repair Richard's reputation but the traditional view is that Richard, while not as evil as Tudor historians said, was probably responsible for removing his nephews from the royal line.

Removing Murdering little kids is not particularly endearing.

22 posted on 02/04/2013 6:43:33 AM PST by bgill
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To: rfreedom4u

He WAS a king of the Realm so rates some pomp...
But your right, after the expense of the Jubilee, Olympics and the next big deal (I forget what it’s called...), I would think the public (those that pay taxes) would be fed up with the spectacles...
Like we are with Obozo’s extravagance.


23 posted on 02/04/2013 6:50:10 AM PST by matginzac
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To: bgill; naturalman1975; Gelato; Steve Schulin

God rules, without remorse

Bloody Richard
Whose black heart had of strife to pow’r been
Though he gained his empty triumph
O’er the bodies of kith and kin
‘Twas only for one scene
But, in the end
More hapless than his victims, he
The crown gone horseless
Providence was more remorseless
With no mean conveyance
To earthly glory
Or, we might surmise, perhaps
To heaven, e’en

— Tom Hoefling


24 posted on 02/04/2013 7:40:35 AM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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To: matginzac
But REALLY, in jolly OLD England how do you pave anything thing over without checking what’s underneath?

A parking lot is the perfect protection for an archaeological site. It is cover from moisture, even compaction, and no further excavation. Really, I've heard them actually recommend it to protect a site.

25 posted on 02/04/2013 8:04:43 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is in charge. There has never been a conservative Republican government.)
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To: bgill

***Removing Murdering little kids is not particularly endearing. ****

About forty five -fifty years ago there was found the bodies of two children, a boy and a girl. It was deduced these were two members of Royalty who were married as children back in the Middle ages. The marriage was done for political reasons, then they disappeared from history.

Their bodies were on display for a while till people began to demand they be reburied. This caused many American Indians to start demanding the same for their ancestors on displays in the US.


26 posted on 02/04/2013 8:17:20 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Sacajaweau

I find it ironic that the guy quoted as saying, “a horse, a horse. My kingdom for a horse,” was buried under a parking lot - literally covered with horsepower.


27 posted on 02/04/2013 8:21:21 AM PST by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: naturalman1975; windcliff; stylecouncilor

So interesting.


28 posted on 02/04/2013 8:37:53 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Bubba_Leroy
The article says that the grave was found 2,231 feet below ground level. That is awfully deep. That can’t be right, can it?

No, it sure can't!

29 posted on 02/04/2013 9:19:03 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: HomeAtLast; Bubba_Leroy
The article says that the grave was found 2,231 feet below ground level. That is awfully deep. That can’t be right, can it?

I suspect excessivly precise Euroish to British conversion

0.68 metres=2.231 feet

Which looks about right from the in situ photo


30 posted on 02/04/2013 10:31:49 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Right, the article said it was only 27 inches below ground level.


31 posted on 02/04/2013 10:50:09 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Carry_Okie

Hey, never looked at it that way...
But as a way to treat a final resting place with honor and respect? There has to be a better way, don’t you think?


32 posted on 02/04/2013 3:20:44 PM PST by matginzac
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To: matginzac
But as a way to treat a final resting place with honor and respect?

Different question. It is a perfect thing to do while they plan something, which can sometimes take decades. I was simply informing you of an uncommon tidbit of information re archaeology so that if you hear of some such in the future you will have no concern that the site is being in any way degraded.

33 posted on 02/04/2013 4:34:05 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is in charge. There has never been a conservative Republican government.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Well, thanks for that...


34 posted on 02/04/2013 4:45:40 PM PST by matginzac
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Right, the article said it was only 27 inches below ground level.

It does now.

Originally, the article said that the body was found "680m (2,231 feet) below ground level." They later corrected the article to say that the body was found "68cm (27in) below ground level."

I suspect that the author of the article copied from a report that said the body was found "680 millimeters" below ground, wrote down 680 meters instead and then plugged 680 meters into Google to calculate the number of feet.

Newspapers used to hire and pay people called "editors" to read articles before they are published and look for careless errors like that. Now they crowd-source editing by posting beta articles on their websites.

35 posted on 02/06/2013 12:10:57 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Some cultures (including European) swap the numeric meanings of “.” and “,” from how we use them.

Ergo, “2,231” means just under two and one-quarter.


36 posted on 02/06/2013 7:14:15 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: naturalman1975
Richard III body found under Leicester car park

That link has more about the testing done. Your post is great on the history.

37 posted on 02/07/2013 3:52:49 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks naturalman1975.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


38 posted on 02/09/2013 10:24:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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