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Buchanan: Senate immigration bill will fail, Rubio ‘will be badly damaged’
Daily Caller ^ | Jeff Poor

Posted on 02/03/2013 11:01:57 AM PST by JohnPDuncan

On this weekend’s broadcast of “The McLaughlin Group,” conservative columnist and author of “Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025?” Pat Buchanan said the bipartisan Senate immigration plan drafted by the so-called “gang of eight” will fail, damaging Florida Republican Sen. Marco Rubio’s chances of winning the White House.

“The path to citizenship in my judgment is going to fail,” Buchanan said. “It will certainly be stopped in the House, and I think Marco Rubio, who has gotten himself out front on it, will be badly damaged, because I think there’s going to be a rising populist reaction to his proposal.”

Newsweek’s Eleanor Clift agreed with Buchanan, adding that the downfall of immigration reform would also cost Republicans generally in the 2014 midterms.

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1 posted on 02/03/2013 11:02:02 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

As it should. Benedict Rubio is damaged goods, and has hitched his wagon to the RINO gang. He deserves nothing but our scorn for his actions is attempting to legitimize Amnesty.


2 posted on 02/03/2013 11:08:41 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog

It can pass the House, if Boehner lets it come to a vote. I would not trust that he won’t.


3 posted on 02/03/2013 11:12:31 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Defiant

Yes you’re right, he can pass it with Democrat votes. He’s already done it twice (Fiscal cliff bill and debt limit increase) so we’ll see if he tries it again. The conservatives need to really find a way to remove him before he does any more damage.


4 posted on 02/03/2013 11:14:58 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Why any Republican would want to grant citizenship to 20 million future Rat votes is beyond me.


5 posted on 02/03/2013 11:16:36 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Defiant

Sorry meant to say Fiscal cliff bill and Sandy relief bill both passed with Democrat votes and broke Boehner’s so called “rule”. Of course his promise that it wont happen again is worthless!


6 posted on 02/03/2013 11:17:32 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
I was thinking the same thing last week when Rubio was making the rounds of talk radio and pushing his Amnesty plan - this will sink him and erase any chance of running on the non-natural born citizen presidential ticket in 2016.
7 posted on 02/03/2013 11:18:33 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Defiant

If Cantor determines that he can wrangle enought votes amongst the RINO caucus (all the rats will vote for it, so very few are needed), then his boss Boehner will bring it to a vote.

If this comes to pass, all Hell should descend on these fools. Like 2007, there is enormous resistance to this foolish, traitorous idea. The phone lines will melt and the mailbags will be full. It must be made perfectly clear that a vote for Amnesty will be met with utter destruction in the Primaries.


8 posted on 02/03/2013 11:18:33 AM PST by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: BrewingFrog
He deserves nothing but our scorn for his actions is attempting to legitimize Amnesty.

But, he insists on securing the border!

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[If that were true, they only need to enforce existing laws -- they don't need more new ones.]
9 posted on 02/03/2013 11:18:51 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: BrewingFrog
It must be made perfectly clear that a vote for Amnesty will be met with utter destruction in the Primaries, AND THE DESTRUCTION OF THE REPULICAN PARTY.

Bring it on fools, it is time you go the way of the WHIGS.
10 posted on 02/03/2013 11:20:58 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Buchanan is wrong. Boner has already said he’ll bring the Senate’s amnesty bill up for a vote and that he has enough RINO and RAT votes for it to pass.


11 posted on 02/03/2013 11:21:12 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: BrewingFrog

Immigration is the death of the GOP, or more particularly, conservatism. Rinos like Boehner will still get crumbs from the welfare state. Boehner needs to be removed before he gets a chance to stab us in the back. After it passes, it will be too late.


12 posted on 02/03/2013 11:45:01 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: jimbo123

If he said that, it is past time to remove Boehner. This cannot pass. Demography is destiny.


13 posted on 02/03/2013 11:47:57 AM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Defiant

Good post.
Actually, this bill may ensure the eventual elimination of the GOP as a national party and make it, at most, a regional party although I cannot think of a region that it could thrive in.

I wonder if the national Repubs are thinking the demographic trend is unavoidable so they must get out in front of the Dems. This gives them the opportunity to say, “We were first on immigration reform!” However, this is naive at best and probably fatal to the GOP’s future viability.

The GOP leadership needs to be absolutely clear that (1) donor dollars are not the same as votes. If immigration reform gets your big donors to give you money, fine, but you will lose elections and pretty quickly your donors will leave to give dollars to winners who will get things done for them. (2) If you think being first on this issue will get you popular press—you are utterly wrong. You will be smeared in the press. That should be clear to you by now. You could field a candidate that walks on water and the press would smear you. The press wants you destroyed no matter what you do. (3) The House can pass immigration reform but the Senate will change it. The only certainty is that immigration reform will inflate Dem voter rolls.

There is no upside to this for you, the GOP. It doesn’t matter if Rubio and other GOP leaders engage in immigration legislation or not—they are playing a game they can only lose. Until they come up with a game that has a possibility of being a winner and not having catastropic downside potential (like increasing Dem voter rolls), the GOP is in serious trouble. I offer this suggestion. Don’t lose your existing voters. Start from that point. There are lots of new ideas you can add to that but don’t destroy your base. You can’t gain enough new votes to overcome that loss for years, if ever.


14 posted on 02/03/2013 12:01:10 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: TomGuy

Secure border as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.... who is appointed by the president.

What a joke.


15 posted on 02/03/2013 12:10:51 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: jimbo123

Boehner hasn’t said anything yet on immigration only that he will study the bill but I’m sure he’s trying hard to find a way to screw us over.


16 posted on 02/03/2013 12:12:55 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

Boner went on the record that he’s been having secret meetings on amnesty for 3 years and that he will bring it up for a vote and that it will pass.


17 posted on 02/03/2013 12:21:14 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: iacovatx

Not only should they not pass this crap, but they need a plan to fix this Marxist plot to destroy America from within. Start with border security. Enforce employer sanctions with jail time. Take away benefits, and make it a serious crime to defraud American taxpayers by sneaking into the country and then seeking welfare, schooling, housing. Take away anchor baby citizenship. None of this will pass the Senate, but the Leader and the party that pushes it will gain the votes of a majority of the remnant population of Americans, and might still win majorities in Congress and the electoral college. Cave in on this, and our choices are submission or revolution.


18 posted on 02/03/2013 12:22:54 PM PST by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: jimbo123

“Buchanan is wrong. Boner has already said he’ll bring the Senate’s amnesty bill up for a vote and that he has enough RINO and RAT votes for it to pass.”

Ahhh, the troll has returned.

So, we should just suck it up, not complain, and simply let this pass...since it will anyway (or so you state).

Sorry, but I believe Mr. Buchanan far more than an unnamed troll on this site.


19 posted on 02/03/2013 12:27:30 PM PST by BobL
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To: jimbo123

give me a source please?


20 posted on 02/03/2013 12:35:56 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan
Alas, poor Marco! I liked him, ...
21 posted on 02/03/2013 12:46:16 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: JohnPDuncan

Buchanan is a jerk.


22 posted on 02/03/2013 12:47:14 PM PST by livius
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To: iacovatx

Yep! I would be pleasantly surprised if the GOP would get 10 out 20,00,000 votes of takers. Those 10 voters would be probably be crossed eyed.


23 posted on 02/03/2013 12:55:44 PM PST by monocle
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To: jimbo123
Boner went on the record that he’s been having secret meetings on amnesty for 3 years and that he will bring it up for a vote and that it will pass.

I don't know what he has or hasn't been doing, but since you've made such a definitive statement, you should be able to provide links to support it.

24 posted on 02/03/2013 12:58:15 PM PST by Will88
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To: JohnPDuncan

Buchanan said. “It will certainly be stopped in the House, and I think Marco Rubio, who has gotten himself out front on it, will be badly damaged,

From his lips to God’s ears. The sooner we can take out the next RINO in line the better.


25 posted on 02/03/2013 1:03:33 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

If the vast majority of illegal aliens were French Canadian, would Rubio be so eager to give a repeat of the failed amnesty of the 80’s? We’ve had enough of personal interest masquerading as public interest.


26 posted on 02/03/2013 1:14:35 PM PST by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Why any Republican would want to grant citizenship to 20 million future Rat votes is beyond me.

My guess would be because too many Republicans elected DO NOT HAVE THE BRAINS GOD GAVE A GOOSE.

27 posted on 02/03/2013 1:24:56 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: iacovatx

You perception is correct. The only way the GOP can win anything is to defeat or destroy the press.


28 posted on 02/03/2013 1:46:49 PM PST by jakota (jakota)
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To: iacovatx

I took your well constructed post and sent it over to our R Senator Ayotte here in NH. I couldn’t have expressed it better myself.


29 posted on 02/03/2013 2:53:43 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: iacovatx

“Actually, this bill may ensure the eventual elimination of the GOP as a national party and make it, at most, a regional party although I cannot think of a region that it could thrive in.”

Whether this bill passes or not, the Republican party ALREADY HAS shrunk from being a national party, into being a regional party. The amnesty bill would accelerate this transformation, but the transformation is ongoing.

Consider: how much influence do the Republicans have in America today, in any state north or east of Pennsylvania?

How much influence do they have in the “mid-Atlantic” — New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, D.C., and even in Virginia?

How much influence do the Pubbies have left on the West Coast? In the southwest, we’re even losing in Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado.

The Republicans are already walkin’ the road to “regionalization”.
Amnesty will get them there sooner.
But the destination is certain and the journey has begun...


30 posted on 02/03/2013 3:18:17 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: jimbo123

Not so fast....there will be some Dems in the House who will vote against Amnesty....ESP if they are in competitive districts. All house up again in ‘14. Boehner will need more than 18 RINOs


31 posted on 02/03/2013 3:31:59 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: BrewingFrog

Yeh, good I don’t want the ambitious little RINO running for President in 2016.


32 posted on 02/03/2013 4:55:31 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

The law means nothing to political leadership, they pick and choose which laws to enforce, so we should pick and choose which laws to obey, our politicians are traitors, the rule of law means nothing anymore, a police state where illegal aliens have more rights than the citizenry!


33 posted on 02/03/2013 5:23:42 PM PST by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: iacovatx
...the GOP is in serious trouble. I offer this suggestion. Don’t lose your existing voters. Start from that point. There are lots of new ideas you can add to that but don’t destroy your base. You can’t gain enough new votes to overcome that loss for years, if ever.

Fact is, immigration "reform" will likely lose the Hispanic voters that the GOP has now.

I've seen two polls of legal Hispanics -- and they both against any form of amnesty by about 2-to-1 (60/32 or so).

This may surprise some -- certainly, it would shock the GOP-e. But think about it -- legal Hispanics are American. Many families have been here for more than a hundred years, the more recent have played by the rules and worked to get where they are.

Most of the Hispanics against amnesty probably comprise the Republican voting minority. If the GOP betrays them on amnesty, they'll have lost votes among the Hispanics.

Amnesty is a lose-lose proposition for 'pubbies.

34 posted on 02/03/2013 5:44:25 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Road Glide

You are right. Why didn’t I realize this before. The R party HAS become regional although it did have a few leftist members in the hard left states. Even Mass recently un-elected the not-conservative Brown and jumped on the wagon of an utterly ridiculous candidate, Warren.

I have to wonder if the average Mass voter chooses candidates based on how much it will annoy and puzzle sane people around the country.


35 posted on 02/06/2013 2:18:50 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Cheerio

Rubio needs to understand, if he doesn’t already, that if he makes a move for the POTUSA nomination it will be like hitting a bee hive. It is difficult to imagine that a person like Rubio who supposedly espouses our Constitutional government would lend credence to the eligibility of Obama.


36 posted on 02/06/2013 2:27:41 PM PST by noinfringers2
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