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IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family
CNS ^ | 1/31/13 | Matt Cover

Posted on 02/01/2013 11:38:38 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: death; economy; health; irs; jobs
Did a title search for "IRS" and didn't see it...

Pretty damn significant difference between the assclown's promise of "lower insurance" and the reality, isn't it?

I can hardly wait for this to be on the network news.

1 posted on 02/01/2013 11:38:44 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

If true, this is obviously beyond the reach of millions of people.

After the outrage will be an easy sell to single payer system. Mission accomplished.

Thanks a lot Congress.


2 posted on 02/01/2013 11:43:33 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

And Roberts


3 posted on 02/01/2013 11:44:40 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If these policies are going to cost that much, I can see millions saying blank this,and pay the penalty instead.

But if millions decide not to be insured, won’t that defeat the promise of Obamacare, that everyone will have health insurance???

Also, little noted in last year’s Supreme Court decision, was that states can opt out of the Medicaid expansion. There too, we could still see many millions uninsured. Add in the illegal aliens, whom Obama assured us were not to be covered by Obamacare, and you will still see tens of millions of uninsured clogging emergency rooms, with the rest of us holding the bag.


4 posted on 02/01/2013 11:44:54 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SoFloFreeper

Instead of pushing Illegal Alien Amnesty, the GOP should be fighting ObamaCare.

Or, does the GOP plan to put all Illegal Aliens on ObamaCare?


5 posted on 02/01/2013 11:46:20 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Our family plan, typical 80/20. med, eyes, dental, script card, and 100 deduct costs 20,000. I bet (if this is true) the govt plan won’t be nearly as good as any private plan. Remember when they were saying $999/person/year; ya right.


6 posted on 02/01/2013 11:48:49 AM PST by Eska
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To: All

If anyone thinks people will be paying this much, stand on your head.
It’s supposed to be this high so people can’t pay it and they’ll get the “free” version once the government can rescue the underclasses from the oppressive 0.01% of the “rich” that are hoarding all the healthcare.


7 posted on 02/01/2013 11:50:21 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

That’s the amount that a working family will pay so that the indolent democrat-voters will get theirs “free”.

Do you think that finally the American voters will get their heads out of their a$$e$ and realize what a big mistake they made?

( I don’t)


8 posted on 02/01/2013 11:51:50 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: I want the USA back

It will be subsidized heavily so the poor can afford it...

But hey, that’s only the bottom of the barrel bronze plan...

Imagine what the platinum top plan costs...

Of course we will soon hear how those numbers are way off, and the IRS made an error, etc.


9 posted on 02/01/2013 11:54:11 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: SoFloFreeper
Remember the estimates of 30 million, 37 million, and then maybe 40 million "without healthcare insurance?" Remember that even after implemented, Obamacare still admitted that there would still be about 30 million or so without healthcare coverage? Where in the hell are all these increases going? To cover 10 million new patients? Even a conservative estimate would put the jump at about 10 times what an average family is paying today!

Wouldn't it have been much easier and cheaper to pass around the proverbial hat to just pay the insurance of these 10 million new patients? There will be riots...

10 posted on 02/01/2013 11:54:42 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: SoFloFreeper

I am of the opinion that we cannot afford the medical technology that has been developed. Sooner of later we are going to have to face up to that reality.


11 posted on 02/01/2013 11:55:42 AM PST by fhayek
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To: Eska

“I bet (if this is true) the govt plan won’t be nearly as good as any private plan.”

You are absolutely right. The IRS estimates of $20,000 a year were made for the BRONZE plan. This is the worst of the four plans that will be permissible under Obamacare. This plan pays about 60% of medical costs. One significant surgery that requires 4 days in the hospital will have most families considering bankruptcy under the BRONZE plan.


12 posted on 02/01/2013 11:57:30 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: SoFloFreeper

This will be the catalyst for several disruptions to the economy that will result in tremendous inflation over the next several years and an effort on the part of employers to reduce the number of employees covered by the law.

Wages will have to skyrocket in order for working people to pay the outrageous insurance premiums or the alternate fines.

Companies will have to increase prices to cover the cost of higher wages as well as the costs of their contributions.

And, at the same time, companies will seek every possible way to reduce employment, lessening their healthcare related costs. They will automate, downsize, sub-contract, move out of the USA, etc.

Thanks to Obama, within five years American prosperity will be a vague memory.


13 posted on 02/01/2013 11:58:10 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: ltc8k6

“It will be subsidized heavily so the poor can afford it..”
Exactly!
Can you say ‘vouchers’? I knew you could....


14 posted on 02/01/2013 11:58:21 AM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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Insurance isn’t cheap.

per person it will probably be like 4 to 5 grand a year. that’s not that much.

an MRI cost like 2-3 grand alone


15 posted on 02/01/2013 12:03:13 PM PST by snowstorm12
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To: SoFloFreeper

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2983984/posts

ObamaCare’s Broken Promises: Every one of the law’s main claims turning out to be false.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323374504578217720567917856.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

It doesn’t matter to leftists. INTENTIONS are all that matter, results do not.

“it is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell


16 posted on 02/01/2013 12:09:50 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: fhayek

Like anything else, far more people could afford it if the government did not distort the health insurance market.


17 posted on 02/01/2013 12:11:54 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: fhayek
Its not the cost of research and discovery thats costing a fortune. Its compliance with the fed.
It costs $500,000,000 to get a drug or compound to market.
18 posted on 02/01/2013 12:16:12 PM PST by phs3 (FUBO)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t think the search works for 3-letter words, FWIW.


19 posted on 02/01/2013 12:21:04 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: MichaelCorleone; MestaMachine; thouworm; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Godzilla; Domestic Church; ...

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IRS: Cheapest 0hbamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

Check out article, and comments # 1 through 16.

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20 posted on 02/01/2013 12:21:56 PM PST by LucyT (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: phs3
It costs $500,000,000 to get a drug or compound to market.

Some estimates place the cost of drug development between 800 million and 1.1 billion.

21 posted on 02/01/2013 12:25:10 PM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: phs3
Well, there is that, of course. But, if someone is sick, they don't (understandably) ask what their cost options are. They ask for the best possible care. If you want the best house, or the best car, you are constrained by the cold realities of the marketplace. But with health care, you ask for the best, regardless of your economic status, largely because there is someone else who will foot the bill. We get a new drug, or a new technology, and everybody wants it. Again, I get that, but the system becomes overburdened by it.

This is why I hate this 'health care is a right' nonsense. Suppose they come up with a treatment for, I dunno, diabetes. It's a miracle treatment, but it costs a billion dollars a patient. But, health care is a right, so someone HAS to pay for it, even if it bankrupts your economy. The absence of market forces will do these sorts of things.

22 posted on 02/01/2013 12:27:41 PM PST by fhayek
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To: snowstorm12

“an MRI cost like 2-3 grand alone”

I had a simple MRI on my foot 6 mos ago. 3,000 bucks. BC/BS paid 400. I paid 250 co-pay. If I hadn’t had insurance then they would have charged me 3,000. If I could get the same deal that the insurance co gets I wouldn’t need insurance.


23 posted on 02/01/2013 12:40:11 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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The only people get free obama care are obama phone ladies, everyone else gotta pay


24 posted on 02/01/2013 12:45:53 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
But if millions decide not to be insured, won’t that defeat the promise of Obamacare, that everyone will have health insurance???

The goal of Obamacare is to put private health insurance out of business, leaving government as the sole provider. Then they've got you by the balls.

25 posted on 02/01/2013 12:50:14 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: saleman
....an MRI cost like 2-3 grand alone.....”

If medical and hospital accountants ran the bus company, it would cost 10 Grand to cross town. At one point there were so many competing MRI units in my town, that they were doing no-prescription walk-ins for $300!

At the same time, in took 18 months to get one in Canada. There must be some sort of instructional value to this.

26 posted on 02/01/2013 1:04:51 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Absolution Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = no-fault Marxism.)
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To: snowstorm12

My wife had an MRI Tuesday that cost $4200.


27 posted on 02/01/2013 1:04:54 PM PST by rightly_dividing
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To: saleman
“If I could get the same deal that the insurance co gets I wouldn't’t need insurance.

Very interesting point you have there.

28 posted on 02/01/2013 1:14:35 PM PST by Deepest South
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To: Kenny Bunk

Yea, it’s called capitalism. The old supply and demand thing.


29 posted on 02/01/2013 1:38:30 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: phs3
It costs $500,000,000 to get a drug or compound to market.

$0.5 to $1.5 billion and 10 years on average, with the clock on the patent ticking the whole time. Out of every 10,000 compounds that enter the clinical testing phase 1-2 will make it to market.

30 posted on 02/01/2013 2:35:05 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: fhayek
I am of the opinion that we cannot afford the medical technology that has been developed.

Strangely though the Mexicans can afford the medicines that we can't afford here.

Maybe the problem is that healthcare is overpriced. An hour in a surgical room designed especially for Heart Cath can cost you $100,000.00.

31 posted on 02/01/2013 11:23:42 PM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: saleman
Yea, it’s called capitalism. The old supply and demand thing.

If the demand is artificially stimulated by free medical care, or if the supply is artificially limited by regulation or collusion, the Law of Supply and Demand gets a bit warped in the process.

The co-pay of $250-300 is in many cases, the realistic value of the service! The physician-owned MRI units charge the insco $4500, or whatever they can get away with. In their defence, such as it is, when the Gonzalez brothers ... all 18 of them...get their MRIs for "free," the MRI company graciously waives the co-pay and probably only bills the funding agency a low, low $2800 each!

I claim that the medical accounting theory is all screwed up ... like oil depletion allowances... entertainment business practices ... municipal road contracts, etc. The main thing screwing it up is that millions receive medical services for free, while thousands pay for insurance and make co-payments. That's hardly "capitalism" in action.

32 posted on 02/02/2013 5:39:58 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Absolution Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = no-fault Marxism.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Yea. I talked to my Dad about this very thing last night. He is a 50 year practicing pediatrician. Semi-retired now, you want to get him pissed start talking about regulations, medicaid, insurance etc. He doesn’t even like to think about it. Says he pays office employees to handle that, he just can’t deal with it. At the end of the day they’ll be a stack of papers on his desk and he just signs.

His biggest thing is Doctors who won’t take Medicaid. Probably 60% of his practice is medicaid. He needs to refer a patient many times he can’t cause he can’t find a specialist who will see them.

Growing up, kids in school thought we were “rich”. Far from it. At one time he was the only pediatrician in 3 counties who took Medicaid. Every medicaid patient was a net loser money wise. When you factor in all the no pays then it was a balancing act just to pay the bills. It’s not the kids fault. What’s he supposed to do, tell a sick 6 yo he can’t see them?


33 posted on 02/02/2013 7:25:46 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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