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Not sure about this whole "third-party" business. Who will be paying the "third-party?" Didn't we go through this business the first time around?
1 posted on 02/01/2013 9:09:17 AM PST by reegs
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Using a third party still requires them to provide the service. Nothing is gained but a salve for “easy” consciences.


2 posted on 02/01/2013 9:11:23 AM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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In such a case, a third-party issuer will handle all business related to providing birth-control coverage for women, according to a source familiar with the changes who spoke only on condition of anonymity.

That's the same thing.

Nothing but lies from these people.

3 posted on 02/01/2013 9:12:06 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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Obama administration offers faith groups new opt-out of health care birth control mandate

I'm not sure he can legally simply rewrite the law to save himself from the political mess he's created. In fact, honest people should oppose this.
4 posted on 02/01/2013 9:15:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Most large entities (like Catholic hospitals) self-insure. That means they pay their own bills, they use an insurance company to handle the processing and payment of the bills.

Therefore anyone who self-insures would STILL be paying the bill for the contraception and abortifacent coverage. If a firm self-insures that firm can’t escape the cost of any service that’s required to be covered under the firm’s health insurance.

In the non self-insured situation, you conceivably could have the firm paying the insurance company to provide insurance, then the insurer eating the cost of the contraception/abortifacent coverage. Except, of course, they’d pass along that cost in higher rates, so even the non self insured firms would still be paying for it indirectly.

The Obama administration knows this, therefore this is just another cynical ploy to fool the media and give politicians cover.


5 posted on 02/01/2013 9:17:32 AM PST by Numbers Guy
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My high school civics class taught that these legislative matters were decided by the congress, since when did domestic lawmaking become an executive branch task !!!!

throw another impeachable offense onto the growing mountain of unpunished crimes committed by Obama

that reminds me , I have a $600 speeding ticket I need to pay, (minor tickets are $600 in California now) I wonder how much Obama will have to pay for his constant misdemeanors

6 posted on 02/01/2013 9:18:45 AM PST by KTM rider ( American at heart..... Rebel by force)
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SCREW YOU OBAMA. WE WIN WILL DEFEAT YOUR DAMNABLE LAW IN COURT.


7 posted on 02/01/2013 9:19:13 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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Just for my own information, which legally elected body agreed to these changes in the law?

I thought so.

Chairman Zero simply trying to cover his rear end.


8 posted on 02/01/2013 9:20:15 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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Religious non-profits ? What about religious profit-making companies ? Why does the federal government have the prerogative to determine somehow that Christian-based (for example), profit-making companions are not genuine in their faith ? How is it that government can deny a family from having a company operated on strong Christian convictions and principles, which still makes a profit and provides jobs for others ?

Since these questions were not being asked before the passing of "Obamacare," it demonstrates the ANTI-God nature of Obamacare, and that DELIBERATELY written into it.

This is outright Soviet Union style lawmaking and implementation.

12 posted on 02/01/2013 9:31:03 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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This is a sleezy attempt by Obama to avoid another judicial slap-down for another unconstitutional action.

Just more typical Obama sneakiness: twisting words and meanings, lying subterfuge and obfuscation.

Nothing is “free”.

If a religious group’s insurance provider has to provide “free” contraception the costs are still there. They may be hidden but will be rolled into premiums charged.


13 posted on 02/01/2013 9:31:23 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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Acts 7:85

58 Then they dragged him out of the city and began to stone him; and the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

You don’t need to pay, please hold are coats while someone else does.


14 posted on 02/01/2013 9:33:34 AM PST by ThomasThomas
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Judge Brian Cogan, “There is no ‘trust me’ clause in the US Constitution”

Obama promised not to enforce portions of the law. Judge Cogan said, “put it in writing” -—

http://washingtonexaminer.com/court-obama-must-rewrite-contraception-mandate-to-accommodate-religious-liberty/article/2516377

15 posted on 02/01/2013 9:38:16 AM PST by Kansas58
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“The administration is allowing religious nonprofits to offer coverage that does not include contraception. In such a case, a third-party issuer will handle all business related to providing birth-control coverage for women, according to a source familiar with the changes who spoke only on condition of anonymity.”


Not good enough, not by a longshot. Use of a third party still forces the religious group to provide coverage for contraception and abortifacients. And even if this “third party” ploy did not violate the religious freedom of religious groups, limiting the exemption to “religious nonprofits” would force religious employers who are not “religious nonprofits” (such as companies owned by practicing Christians or Orthodox Jews) to provide direct contraceptive and abortifacient coverage even when such coverage violates their deeply held religious beliefs.

Obama is desperate because he’s afraid that the entire “birth-control mandate” will be struck down on First Amendment grounds. We can’t let him adopt some half-assed effort at a “compromise” that will result in “free” abortions for millions of women paid for by all of us.


16 posted on 02/01/2013 9:48:42 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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17 posted on 02/01/2013 9:53:09 AM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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“Not sure about this whole “third-party” business. Who will be paying the “third-party?” Didn’t we go through this business the first time around?”

Depends on how it’s structured... If my org. doesn’t want to provide for birth control (or abortion), and one of my employees wants to go to another insurance company not associated with me and obtain what ever coverage he or she desires, it seems to me that that is none of my business.

...No more so that if said employee went to the drug store and bought the drugs or services with cash.


18 posted on 02/01/2013 9:53:59 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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19 posted on 02/01/2013 9:56:33 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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But if you make evil profits, you have to pay your employees to abort, even if your church tells you are abetting murder.


21 posted on 02/01/2013 10:07:50 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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third-party issuer

Robbing Peter to kill Paul.

24 posted on 02/01/2013 10:20:11 AM PST by EternalVigilance ('Where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it.' Samuel Adams)
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Still all “smoke and mirrors,” just like before.

And what about For-Profits run by real Christians? (Or does “for-profit” make them second-class citizens?)


25 posted on 02/01/2013 10:43:40 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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He's bending over backwards to promote unborn death, lusty relationships, sorrowful women, wimpy men, and broken relationships. Is it any wonder why this man has flies all over his face?

Pray for the end of abortion: http://adorationrocks.posterous.com/166971716
28 posted on 02/01/2013 11:01:34 AM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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Free birth control is the one good thing about Obamacare. Less unwanted babies means less abortions, less demand on welfare, lower crime rate.

Birth control should be given away on street corners, it should be a mist in the air in high schools, it should be spiked in mountain dew and sunny delight... In 15 years we’d live in a utopia.


29 posted on 02/01/2013 11:33:44 AM PST by J05h
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