Skip to comments.Amish Men Accused of Animal Cruelty Defend Their Actions ("In the Amish itís acceptable")
Posted on 02/01/2013 6:15:09 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
Clyde, N.Y. - Two Amish men from Wayne County are accused of killing a litter of healthy puppies and their mother.
This is simply a case of animal cruelty, says Wayne County District Attorney Rick Healy who intends to charge the pair.
The nine dead dogs were discovered in a compost pile and reported to police January 17th.
Merlin Schumacher who owns the dogs says he was trying to breed Australian Red Heelers, but when he couldnt sell the dogs and they became too big he asked an employee to shoot them.
Jonathan Eicher agreed to put the dogs down.
In the Amish its acceptable to put dogs down. I thought as long as you did it out back it was okay, Eicher told police. Eicher referred to what he called the three Ss: shoot, shovel, and shut up.
That is where Amish custom and New York law clash. New York A.G. and Market Laws prevent the killing of otherwise healthy animals for no reason.
They need to understand that it is illegal, says DA Healy. They cant treat the animals the way they want to treat the animals they must treat the animals humanely.
Schumacher, who owns the dogs, told police he had raised the dogs and couldnt put them down myself so I asked Jonathan to do it.
Both men now face nine counts of unjustifiably killing an animal which is a misdemeanor.
Schumacher was charged Wednesday, Eicher expected to be charged Wednesday evening.
Another religion of peace exposed.
(Posted as part of a discussion of crime, health...religion...and other cultural and societal issues, not as general interest or chat).
Upstate NY bump
How about giving them away. Sheesh!
So are animal shelters where they euthanize the non-adopted animals illegal in New York State?
That's what a lot of the local Amish mill owners do, but not in the way you'd expect. They dump the dogs out where they know the local SPCA will find them.
I find it so comforting that the MSM cries over animal cruelty and cheers on abortionists.
Millions of animals are killed each year in “shelters”, and no one says “boo” because it is done out of sight. Take care of things without involving the government, and you are defined as “inhumane”.
Sad story. You only kill feral dogs. Like you said, why not give them away.
No differant then killing a cow ,horse or any other non needed animal.
It is up to the owner.
they are a nasty problem in Missouri too running all kinds of foul puppy mills.
Couldn't help myself.............:-)
Biblically, we are to care for our animals,
but we are also given dominion over creation.
There’s a balance.
I don’t think there’s a problem with killing these dogs, no different than culling unwanted sheep, etc, as long as they weren’t tortured in the process.
yeah you farm people sometimes can be might crude
My property, my decision. Piss off if anyone is against the Constitution.
This twisted society gets it's collective knickers in a knot over a few dogs but couldn't care less about 45,000,000 murdered, slaughtered and mutilated babies.
In my world, animals are animals and if I own one and want to put it down, that is my business.
But recognizing that there are so many busy bodies that want to protect every creature except human babies, I adhere to the SSS strategery.
The most important one is Shutup; don't even tell your best pal.
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Seems to me we need a non-arbitrary standard to judge why Sharia Law is unacceptable and Amish morals are acceptable.
Oh, wait, we have that.
I wonder what the Animal Shelters do, i.e. the Dog Pound or the Humane Society?
“In Michigan, a private or public shelter must hold a found animal for four days after acquiring it, after which time the animal can be adopted out or put to sleep.”
“In California, animals must be kept at a shelter for six days, not including the day on which the animal was found.  After that, the animal can be adopted out or euthanized.”
“Shelters in Houston, Texas must hold an animal for three days if it is unlicensed or otherwise unidentifiable.  If the animal is licensed, tattooed, or microchipped, it must be held for six days after the owner was notified that animal was in the shelter (notification must be made by mail or telephone).  On the seventh day, the shelter may dispose of the animal at its discretion. “
“If an animal is not claimed by its owner within five days after being so delivered to such humane society or society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, or pound, such animal may at any time thereafter be placed for adoption in a suitable home or euthanized.”
Looks like animal shelters can, after the prescribed waiting period, either kill the animal or sell it to a research lab.
And NY is going after the farmer?
Packs of dogs running around the village was to keep the bears from strolling down the village road; which was quite common come spring. I saw the dogs kill and eat each other and when I started throwing out lunch scraps to the dogs, I was told to stop. They wanted starving dogs, made good bear chasers the Indians claimed.
It all sounded different to me, but who am I to judge their way of doing things. The left should do the same.
On the bright side Merlin and Jonathon....you can abort humans all day long!
They are treating those poor dogs like animals!
Meanwhile, police all across the land continue to kill dogs with abandon. and without getting charged. They should have said they “felt threatened” like all the officers do, even when the dogs they shoot are perfectly friendly. Then again, it’s not Amish to lie (although it might be department policy).
Its no more cruel than the way the animal shelter would euthanize them.
I know I would rather euthanize my dogs here at home if I had too. Its better than putting them through the stress of taking them to the vet.
and what if you want to protect every creature including the babies ........................I am livid at how “farmers” treat their animals, I am also livid at abortion, child abuse, and lots of other bad stuff. I want it all good. All of it, see? Including how the cattle are butchered, puppies environments, chickens and children not stacked in wire boxes, get it? See how it could be? That’s how I want it. I want everyone happy, comfortable, clean, warm, fed, including you and your puppies and babies and the dying.
I doubt they would cheer if the babies were killed after they were born.
who are you to judge?
That is plain stupid.
What they are doing may be “the way they have always done it” or some such putrid garbage, but it is wrong.
Who are you to judge if someone wants to kill you? Or abort your baby? Where you gonna draw the line genius.
The show about the people living along the Yukon on The Discovery channel covered the subject of dog euthanasia a few weeks ago.
It was a simple matter of catching enough salmon to feed the dogs through the winter or eliminating some dogs. Just letting the dogs starve would have been the cruelest act of all.
Just a question for you to consider -
by what standard are you equating animal life with human life?
I am not equating them, I am simply saying in response to kneejerk comment about protecting animals and not babies that there is nothing wrong with protecting both. it is a false choice that you can only protect one or the other. See?
It’s all relative, ain’t it?
Agreed, the two are unrelated,
so, saying that “if you want to protect babies, to be consistent, you must also want to protect animals” is relating apples and oranges.
I want babies protected
I also want animals protected
We can choose to protect both.
I don’t want animals or babies to suffer.
That would’ve been TOO easy.
only to a relativist or a humanist
How does someone without a phone, or elecricity, list thier dogs? I’m just pointing out that this wonderful service would not work very well for an Amish farmer. ot taking sides here, although I think a box of puppies at the market would be preferable to shooting them, unless they had health problems.
The cold hard fact is that there are far more dogs and cats than people willing to take them.
No, I believe to anyone that can think.
Can't say I agree with your line of argument there, bud.
These are animals, not humans.
From the article: "Both men now face nine counts of unjustifiably killing an animal which is a misdemeanor."
Unjustifiably? In whose eyes?
The people directly involved, or the Chief Libtard in Charge?
If we're going to leave this stuff up to the CLiC's, you are going to be very surprised as to what kinds of things you might be doing on your own property that the CLiC's might find "unjustifiable". Like flushing your toilet more than twice a day. Better not involving outsiders in matters of the home and farm.
BTW, that is how I learned that cats can't swim very well. They have trouble getting out of the burlap bags. (just kidding, life was different in my day. I still think that old joke is funny).
So you want it so animals can never be euthanized by their owners? Or is your problem the manner of killing?
Because I don't see any "cruelty" here.
There are public libraries nearby, aren’t there? I’m sure the farmer could get help at the public library where someone would help by contacting a dog rescue outfit for him.
Some people just can’t resist saving a mama dog and puppies. A horse or a cow won’t die protecting a farmer, but dogs will fight to the death to protect their owners. Lots of folks here on FR know that.
I’m only pointing out that there exists an alternative to killing a mama dog and her puppies.
“Thats how I want it. I want everyone happy, comfortable, clean, warm, fed, including you and your puppies and babies and the dying.”
We are expecting your check to pay for your above mentioned paradise.
It has Not yet arrived.
I once put down a dog who had cancer for a neighbor, and I had to put down my own cat when he got so sick he had what seemed a complete mental breakdown. This was back in the days when I could still own guns and in both cases I wrapped them in blankets and petted them and waited until they were asleep.
I raised that cat from a kitten when I found him out in the snow one winter, he’s been gone quite a few years and I still can’t think about another pet of my own. But it seems all the stray cats and other people’s dogs have figured out I’m the local “free rubs” station.
If they had eaten the dogs, would it have been OK?
‘Cause most farmers kill perfectly good pigs, cows, chickens, etc.
The only difference I can see is that those animals sometimes get eaten, while in this case, the dogs became valuable compost.
I love dogs, but there are plenty of livestock animals who can be just as intelligent and affectionate as a dog.
The cops would be happy to come over and shoot them.
This is crazy, I would never condone cruelty, but cats and dogs are property not people.
My Father told me that when he was growing up in the 20’s one of his jobs was to “take care of” the litters of kittens. It involved a full tub of water a board and a brick.
We are such bedwetters these days it makes me want to vomit.