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GOP Electoral Ploy Will Backfire
Arizona Daily Sun ^ | January 31, 2013 | Steve & Cokie Roberts

Posted on 01/31/2013 11:13:56 AM PST by fractionated

"We must stop being the stupid party," Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal warned fellow Republicans recently. "It's time for a new Republican Party that talks like adults."

Many Republicans apparently weren't listening, because they insist on doing stupid things. Exhibit A: lawmakers in a half-dozen states who are trying to alter the Electoral College system to give Republicans more votes.

This is a desperate and ultimately self-defeating reaction to the changing demographics of America. The GOP calculus seems to be: We can never appeal to minorities, and we cannot win the presidency without them, so let's rig the system to reduce their influence -- and, in the process, really tick them off. The result will be to make minorities feel even more unwelcome in the Republican Party than they already do, and more likely to step up their organizing and voting efforts.

In all but two cases, Maine and Nebraska, all of a state's electoral votes go to the winner of the popular vote. Republicans loved this system when they were regularly capturing the White House (five of seven times between 1980 and 2004). But Barack Obama's two victories have scared the heck out of them, and with good reason.

In 1980, the electorate was 88 percent white, and Ronald Reagan won 56 percent of that vote in easily defeating Democrat Jimmy Carter. Last year, Mitt Romney actually bested Reagan among whites, winning 59 percent. But whites accounted for only 72 percent of the total vote, and Obama crushed Romney with minorities, taking 93 percent of blacks, 73 percent of Asians and 71 percent of Hispanics.

These minority voters, often clustered in urban areas, provided key margins for Obama in swing states such as Ohio, Florida and Virginia. So, figured those brilliant GOP strategists, perhaps the law could be changed to allocate electoral votes by congressional district, thus boosting the leverage of rural areas and undercutting that Democratic advantage. If that alternative system had been in effect last fall in Virginia, for example, Romney would have won nine of 13 electoral votes -- even while losing the state by 150,000 popular votes.

From a crass political viewpoint, it might be worth enraging minorities if the GOP ploy had any chance of working. But it doesn't.

Smart Republicans are appalled. "It's not going to happen in Virginia," insisted the state's ambitious Republican governor, Bob McDonnell. State Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel called the scheme "pretty shortsighted." Then a state Senate committee controlled by Republicans killed the bill.

Even if these proposals somehow became law, they would immediately be challenged in court as racially biased. And that's exactly what they are. State Sen. Charles Carrico, the lead sponsor in Virginia, candidly explained his motive in The Washington Post: "The last election, constituents were concerned that it didn't matter what they did, that more densely populated areas were going to outvote them."

Most federal judges will surely understand that "densely populated areas" -- along with "urban" and "metro" -- are code words for race. And by the way, Sen. Carrico, that's how democracy works. The majority wins. Blacks in Alabama and gays in Idaho also feel outvoted.

Just because an idea is stupid doesn't make it surprising. Attempts to rig the Electoral College flow from the same motives that inspired Republican lawmakers to pass laws limiting voter participation in a dozen states last fall. Many of the laws were tossed out on legal grounds, but they gave Democrats in "densely populated areas" a pitch-perfect rallying cry.

The Nation quoted Matt Barreto, a pollster specializing in the Latino vote: "There were huge organizing efforts in the black, Hispanic and Asian communities, more than there would have been, as a direct result of the voter suppression efforts." The Rev. Tony Minor, an African-American minister in Ohio, added: "When they went after big mama's voting rights, they made all of us mad."

Sanity has not completely deserted Republican ranks. In Florida, state House Speaker Will Weatherford told reporters that Republicans don't need "to change the rules of the game" and offered a different option: "I think we need to get better." Fellow Floridian Sen. Marco Rubio is doing exactly that, bravely joining a bipartisan group of U.S. senators in proposing a reasonable compromise on immigration reform. Jeb and George Bush have both proved that Republicans can win a decent share of Hispanic support if they respect and understand those voters.

Subverting democracy by suffocating minorities is the opposite of respect. It ignores Jindal's advice and damages the Republican brand. Talk about stupid.


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KEYWORDS: electionrigging; elections; electoralcollege
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Erratum: To bring things up to date on developments in the interval between the column's writing and publication, "Will Backfire" should read "Has Backfired".
1 posted on 01/31/2013 11:14:00 AM PST by fractionated
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To: fractionated
I support proportional electoral allocation in my state. Others can do as they wish in theirs.

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2 posted on 01/31/2013 11:16:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: fractionated

The author is Cokie Roberts? No wonder the article is full of crap.


3 posted on 01/31/2013 11:21:24 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: fractionated

I’m sure Cokie Roberts has the best interest of the GOP at heart and is really just trying to help.


4 posted on 01/31/2013 11:22:18 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: fractionated

Heard Karl Rove bashing Todd Akin on O’Reilly the other night and speaking about “stupid” within the gop. Want to talk stupid? the GOP just reelected Reince Priebus as National Chair. The man could not even carry his own state of Wisconsin for Romney. Looks like they want the same old status quo but to oust selected conservatives.
As for me..I am sick of the race card..no more cowtowing to any group for the sake of bringing them onboard. ANYONE that supports the constitution, fights the environmentalists, supports protecting our borders are the types I want to vote for and race, income, etc do not matter.
GOP should get rid of Rove too and Priebus should have resigned in disgrace.


5 posted on 01/31/2013 11:23:04 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: cripplecreek

I propose 1 vote per county in the nationals. Whether you win Orange County or a county with 5000 people, the vote should be equal. Most counties won in the state gets the electoral vote.

Someone run that scenario and see where we would have been in 2012.


6 posted on 01/31/2013 11:24:38 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: fractionated

This elderly Leftist Democrat couple are the last people to give advice to Republicans. One just as well ask Vladimer Putin for his tips for GOP success.


7 posted on 01/31/2013 11:25:31 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: fractionated
Well consider the commie authors of this piece and the fact that they're trying to give advice to the Republican Party. The whole idea behind changing how electoral votes are allocated is to stop the uber-liberal cities from overwhelming rural areas of states in National elections. For instance, Pennsylvania is mostly a Conservative state by county and congressional district, but Philly and Pittsburgh always tip the balance to the Rats.

I support the effort and think that it is high time that rural counties stand up against the big cities.

8 posted on 01/31/2013 11:25:41 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: cripplecreek
Supporting winner take all electoral votes enables the localized cheating the commie ‘Rats have become accustomed to. I say we throw a big honkin wrench in their carefully placed gears.
9 posted on 01/31/2013 11:27:55 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: max americana

Hale Boggs’ daughter still making waves.............


10 posted on 01/31/2013 11:34:40 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: fractionated

The fact that Hokey Roberts is screaming this loud about it is clue that it’s a good strategy. Forward ho!


11 posted on 01/31/2013 11:34:50 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
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To: fractionated
Most federal judges will surely understand that "densely populated areas" -- along with "urban" and "metro" -- are code words for race. And by the way, Sen. Carrico, that's how democracy works. The majority wins. Blacks in Alabama and gays in Idaho also feel outvoted.

Notice how the RATS all seem to know our supposed code words. If they were really our code words, shouldn't we be the only ones to know them?

12 posted on 01/31/2013 11:41:24 AM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: fractionated

WE WILL NEVER APPEAL TO A LARGE NUMBER OF MINORITIES!! NEVER!

So stop being stupid in trying.


13 posted on 01/31/2013 11:41:34 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Timber Rattler
I support the effort and think that it is high time that rural counties stand up against the big cities.

So why should your opinion and vote count more if you live in a rural area than in a city?

You need a better answer than "because that will help Republicans to win" or "I agree with people that live in rural areas."

14 posted on 01/31/2013 11:46:05 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: cripplecreek

Would certainly help here in Pennsylvania (as has been well-documented)


15 posted on 01/31/2013 11:56:54 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: fractionated

If leftist Democrat hacks like Cokie Boggs Roberts oppose something, you know it’s the right thing to do.


16 posted on 01/31/2013 11:59:05 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fractionated

“Subverting democracy by suffocating minorities is the opposite of respect. It ignores Jindal’s advice and damages the Republican brand. Talk about stupid.”

First of all, who the hell gives a damn what Cokie Roberts thinks?

And second of all, changing the method of allocating Electoral College votes has nothing, NOTHING, to do with minorities. It’s a way to once again balance the population centers (who tend to have one view and support one party) with the more rural areas (who tend to have another view and support the other party). The Electoral College is a representative assembly. And the whole people are not being represented. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are choosing all the representatives from PA; Detroit is choosing all the representatives from MI, Cleveland and Cincinnati are choosing all the representatives from Ohio, etc.

The result of this is that the president is not elected by the whole people, but only by the population centers, which is the very thing that the electoral college was created to prevent.

Roberts and the intelligentsia do not like the people, through their representatives in the states to take over the voting model they have created. Red States, Blue States, Swing States, Voter Fruad in all the big cities to sway states one way or the other. That power comes to an end should states change how the Electoral College is populated.

The elites have never liked the Electoral College because it spreads power out. And just when they’ve gotten the system rigged, the state legislatures are threatening to take their power away. Again. Well too bad!


17 posted on 01/31/2013 12:02:01 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: Strategerist
In a way, that's how the Electoral College was set up from the get go. To prevent the tyranny of urban areas (states) over the rural ones. Look at Illinois in their last Governor's race where the Democrat "won" narrowly statewide. The Democrat won Cook County and just 3 other scattered counties (1 urban, 2 rural) while the Republican took everything else in a landslide. Nevermind that the race was rife with fraud, one should look at such a map and it's a no-brainer who should prevail:

(Note the proper color scheme of Red=Democrat and Blue=Republican)

18 posted on 01/31/2013 12:07:00 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

So lets say you had to explain to a black voter in Chicago why the vote of a white guy in Mattoon should count 2 or 3 or even 4 times as much as their vote?

What would your argument to them be?


19 posted on 01/31/2013 12:12:09 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: max americana

Republicans must be Republicans. Don’t try to be something they are not. This is the folly of the RINOS—you can’t out democrat Liberals by trying to copy them. They must go back to Reagans Roots. The Liberals are self destructing—let them. When the folks turn on Obama and his crew it will be ugly.


20 posted on 01/31/2013 12:22:41 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

Detroit decides our vote here in Michigan and they do it blatantly through fraud.

Only allowing them a set number of electoral votes will remove the lure to commit fraud.


21 posted on 01/31/2013 12:32:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: katiedidit1
Yeah. At least Michael Steele presided over a GOP that won elections fair and square.
22 posted on 01/31/2013 12:33:51 PM PST by fractionated
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I propose 1 vote per county in the nationals. Whether you win Orange County or a county with 5000 people, the vote should be equal. Most counties won in the state gets the electoral vote.

Ridiculous and unconstitutional, but other than that OK.

23 posted on 01/31/2013 12:34:02 PM PST by fractionated
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To: Timber Rattler

Just yesterday I sent out emails to my state representative, senator, governor, and SOS to tell them I support it.

Otherwise, its become rather pointless for me to vote in a presidential election when the state will go to whoever Detroit and Flint vote for.

Getting rid of the 17th amendment is a much higher hurdle that also needs to be dealt with at some point.


24 posted on 01/31/2013 12:38:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SgtHooper
>>>WE WILL NEVER APPEAL TO A LARGE NUMBER OF MINORITIES!! NEVER!

>>>So stop being stupid in trying.

Just for grins and curiosity, I looked at the results from here in TX during the 2012 elections. I heard Levin talking about the GOP strategy and figured the election of Cruz would be a good litmus.

As predicted, Cruz only outperformed Romney by a couple of points. In hispanic counties, the democrat...a white guy...won.

Hispanics are not going to vote GOP in large %...EVER again. Most of those hispanics which are here now come from socialist type governments where Big Brother looks after you.

They will always vote for that option...even if you have hispanics running against Dems.

25 posted on 01/31/2013 12:42:40 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: Strategerist

Representative Republic. Not Democracy. Are the votes of the entire state being represented? Or because of shear volume and I’ll add ignorance are they not? The answer is simple. Certain people are now voting to steal the hard earned dollars of their fellow Americans. The people who pay the taxes are being outvoted in massive urban areas of uninformed voters and that is not a “Representative Republic”. That’s Democracy and it is very dangerous. When do they get to out vote us on our right to life?


26 posted on 01/31/2013 12:44:16 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: Strategerist

Representative Republic. Not Democracy. Are the votes of the entire state being represented? Or because of shear volume and I’ll add ignorance are they not? The answer is simple. Certain people are now voting to steal the hard earned dollars of their fellow Americans. The people who pay the taxes are being outvoted in massive urban areas of uninformed voters and that is not a “Representative Republic”. That’s Democracy and it is very dangerous. When do they get to out vote us on our right to life?


27 posted on 01/31/2013 12:44:36 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: Strategerist; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; BlackElk; EternalVigilance; Dr. Sivana; Clemenza; ...

Trying to explain to someone you are presumably portraying as a Zero voter is going to be a near impossibility. If they cannot vote in their own best interests (which they aren’t), that doesn’t mean the rest of us who do should be sucked down the drain with them.

If there is any shred of reasoning, one could take the approach as such. Say you have 100 people living on a block (all voters). Let’s say 49 of the people live in nice homes on the block, all kept up and maintained. Everyone gainfully employed. Then let’s say 51 of the people live in a rundown apartment building at the end of the block. They’re mostly criminal, perpetual welfare cases. They don’t work, don’t want to work. They are the low or no info voters, ones swayed by politicians who count on demogoguery and race baiting (”They’re gonna put you back in chains !”) and essentially need these folks to remain dumbed down and dependent.

Anyway, come voting day, the 49 voters vote responsibly, but they get outvoted by the 51 voters who do not, the ones who vote for a corrupt status quo. It may be a victory for democracy, but it is not a victory for personal responsibility or moral governance. Where is it written that said 51 have the right to forcefully take from those 49 who work hard, want a responsible and moral society and demand the others do as they will ?

The alternative here is that the 49 choose to just vacate the block and move elsewhere to where they have a majority (in which case, they’d have to go out of state). How is that particularly fair ?

I’ve reached the point where voting should not be a right, but a privilege. Certain things should disqualify you from being a voter. If you are on welfare, taking from those that work, you should not have a vote. You’re going to vote for politicians who are going to keep you on welfare. You’re voting for “free” money. Also, if you work for the government (with the sole exception of those who put their lives on the line in military or police/fire/emergency capacities), you should also not have a vote. You’re voting for your own employment and income at the expense of those who do not.

The premier example of the latter is that the Founding Fathers did not want DC residents having the vote, since those people would presumably be government workers. It’s no surprise that DC and its suburbs have become heavily Democrat and absolutely need the government to keep getting larger. As was stated long ago, once people could discover how to vote themselves free money (and benefits), that is the end of a republic.


28 posted on 01/31/2013 12:48:41 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Strategerist
So lets say you had to explain to a black voter in Chicago why the vote of a white guy in Mattoon should count 2 or 3 or even 4 times as much as their vote?
What would your argument to them be?

What makes it worse is that somebody did the math when this silly idea was floated (before it sank) in VA -- turns out that the scheme makes Obama voters count approximately three-fifths weight.

There may be a more toxic political meme out there, but I don't know what it is. (Though if there is, I'm sure the current leadership of the GOP is dumb enough to find it and present it to the 'Rats as a club with which to beat them.)

29 posted on 01/31/2013 12:58:38 PM PST by fractionated
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To: liberty or death
Are the votes of the entire state being represented?

They certainly aren't here in Michigan where the GOP holds a huge majority everywhere but statewide races. Our founders left electoral apportionment up to the states for a reason just like they intended for senators to be elected by the legislatures for a reason.
30 posted on 01/31/2013 1:00:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Well said.


31 posted on 01/31/2013 1:05:34 PM PST by samsmom
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I agree with you.

Changing the way states chose electors is NOTHING new and it is Constitutional. If it works for Maine and Nebraska, I think it would do wonders for the following states:

Virginia
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Michigan
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Florida
California
Illinois
Iowa

Which ever of those states above that have Republican legislatures and governors better get on this, now.


32 posted on 01/31/2013 1:39:41 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: fractionated

This is, was, and will be a disaster. Won’t work. May not even be Constitutional, and, in fact, makes the uneducated (most voters) believe the GOP is trying to steal elections. This would be nothing short of catastrophic.

Here’s a thought GOP. how about some Conservative candidates!!


33 posted on 01/31/2013 1:43:43 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: fractionated
Even if these proposals somehow became law, they would immediately be challenged in court as racially biased.

Damn that pesky Article II in the Constitution:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

34 posted on 01/31/2013 1:51:36 PM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: fractionated

Steve & Cokie Roberts

stopped reading after that...


35 posted on 01/31/2013 1:59:56 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Alas Babylon!

Proportional allocation via Congressional district is how it was originally in most states. I believe the major parties went to winner-take-all to get rid of the smaller parties. If these states return to proportional allocation, Republicans might start winning those states, but there might also be third-party candidates stealing away Congressional districts.


36 posted on 01/31/2013 2:15:11 PM PST by Galatians513 (this space available for catchy tagline)
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To: Galatians513
Proportional allocation via Congressional district is how it was originally in most states.

Not at all. Winner-take-all has always been the standard system.

37 posted on 01/31/2013 2:25:47 PM PST by fractionated
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To: Strategerist

“Tyranny of the majority.” That’s what states with large metropolitan areas have. The example of Illinois is a good one. Rural areas are often large contributors to a state’s economy, and they deserve to be recognized, not steamrolled by the population centers.


38 posted on 01/31/2013 2:51:41 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: fractionated

Congressional districts are apportioned based on census population data, there is nothing unfair about divvying EVs in this manner.


39 posted on 01/31/2013 3:17:11 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: tx_eggman

LOL Seems to be a lot of noobs concerned about how the states choose their electors lately. I think they need to worry about their own damn states.


40 posted on 01/31/2013 3:22:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I say we use every legal tool and strategy at our disposal.

The commies commit mass felonies, spread lies/propaganda through the MSM, and force taxpayers to subsidize them at every step.

After watching the fiasco last November, I think we need a savvy street fighter as our leader.

Romney lost partially because he was too innocent to imagine that the rats would commit vote fraud on a vast scale.


41 posted on 01/31/2013 4:25:41 PM PST by darth
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To: darth

Here in Michigan its pretty much pointless to vote in presidential elections because Detroit and Flint will determine the outcome. In fact, they refuse to turn in their vote tallies till the rest of the state is counted and they know how many votes they need.


42 posted on 01/31/2013 4:34:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NELSON111

Wholeheartedly agree!

Thanks!


43 posted on 01/31/2013 7:16:38 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Strategerist; Timber Rattler
Timber Rattler said: I support the effort and think that it is high time that rural counties stand up against the big cities.

strategerist said: So why should your opinion and vote count more if you live in a rural area than in a city?

You need a better answer than "because that will help Republicans to win" or "I agree with people that live in rural areas."

The fact is, strategerist, we live in a Republic NOT a democracy, regardless of what the one politician in this article claims. In a Republic it is NOT majority rules, the wishes of the minority are taken into consideration also. In fact the Electoral college was invented in order to prevent heavily populated states from running over smaller states with the popular vote.

To break the electoral votes down by counties merely takes the idea of the electoral college to the final step, a process that should have been taken long ago.

This does not give rural votes a higher value(BTW, your question is beyond stupid and shows you are probably a liberal at heart)over those in the city but it keeps a city from running over the rest of the state, CA for instance. Right now the majority(land mass wise) of the country didn't vote for the communist in the white house but he won any way and he won with what might as well have been the popular vote and people from more conservative areas were just sh** out of luck.

Splitting the electoral college votes up by counties is the thing to do to restore balance to our elections and to help prevent voter fraud.

44 posted on 02/01/2013 12:02:03 AM PST by calex59
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To: fractionated

Steve & Cokie are very worried. If this happens the rats can no longer count on California.

I support it.


45 posted on 02/01/2013 12:49:55 AM PST by 1035rep
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To: Galatians513

I want conservatives to win, not necessarily Republicans. And I certainly want democrat/socialists to lose!

The thing is, right now, the winner takes all means the democrats have a lock on states with huge urban masses that only vote lockstep with the plantation owners, er, democrats.

So perhaps proportional allocation is a more balanced system. I live in a rural area, and while Alabama is mostly conservative (thank God!), I’d be completely ignored if we had a Afro/Leftist-megacity (Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Portland, San Francisco, Milwaukee, etc) like other states.


46 posted on 02/01/2013 3:46:35 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: fractionated

Once again, Republicans cower down in the face of liberal media criticism and refuse to play hardball when it’s time to do so.

The left gets to shamelessly race-bait it’s way into trying to stop voter ID, and Republicans barely do anything to combat that.

You wonder if the consultants within the GOP are actually Democrat operatives


47 posted on 02/02/2013 8:07:16 AM PST by CountryClassSF
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To: Strategerist; Timber Rattler; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; sickoflibs; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; ...

Um pal having it go by congressional district is not the same thing as rural votes “counting more”

It’s the same principle as the electoral college applied to the states. That you should have some kind of wider geographic appeal and not just run up the numbers in a certain area. What the hell is the problem with that? Note that congressional districts are based on population so rural districts are not smaller than city districts in the same state.

As to explaining it to a Black guy in Chicago I say good luck explaining it to any member of the politically ignorant and simple masses. “Electrical college”? What’s that?

I’d also say that 9 of 10 Black guys in Chicago wouldn’t vote Republican if you payed them so who cares what they think. They have all their eggs in one basket so the GOP has little reason to seek their input. That’s their bed that they are choosing to lie in. The 1 in 10 that are Republicans would support this.

Frankly this is the best idea the GOP has had in a while. To hell with this disingenuous propaganda article and the 10000 others that have been written (by liberals).

I don’t believe fraud was Obama’s margin of victory but it certainly padded it. It’s time to fight back, this is an innovative, good, and legal way to do it. And there is little they can do to stand in the way to stop it, only weak -willed wussy Republicans can stop it.

If every state did this it would be keeping more with the principles of the EC. Back then they were worried about state versus state, North versus South. Now it’s dem-packed urban strongholds within states against the rest of the state.


48 posted on 02/03/2013 7:35:56 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy; All

Just to break up the RATS getting all of CA and NY it’s worth it.

“As to explaining it to a Black guy in Chicago...”

Thank God the NHL is back!


49 posted on 02/03/2013 7:47:08 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Time to musk up.)
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To: Impy

First the gerrymandering problem needs to be solved.


50 posted on 02/03/2013 7:56:00 AM PST by fractionated
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