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To: kabar

Kabar, I agree with your plan. I know, however, that it will not get passed. Ever. The power brokers committed to maintaining the status quo will see to that.

Then we’re stuck with the status quo.

My hopes are simply stated right now. I want controlled entry of border, visa, etc. I want green card acceptance of current illegals instead of citizenship.

But, the forces wanting to maintain the status quo are extremely powerful. They will undermine ANY EFFORT to improve anything. That’s why Rubio’s plan that includes control of entry is as good as it gets.

The bottom line is this: anyone who wants too much is actually going to end up with the status quo....which they hate.

It’s the classic catch 22.


50 posted on 01/31/2013 7:09:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Kabar, I agree with your plan. I know, however, that it will not get passed. Ever. The power brokers committed to maintaining the status quo will see to that. Then we’re stuck with the status quo.

Then the GOP and the country are finished.

My hopes are simply stated right now. I want controlled entry of border, visa, etc. I want green card acceptance of current illegals instead of citizenship.

You may want that, but that is not what Rubio and the Gang of Eight are advocating. And why should border security and tracking and deporting visa overstays be held hostage to an earned path to citizenship for 12 to 20 million lawbreakers? We already have laws on the books covering these areas. It is simply a matter of enforcing them.

It really doesn't matter whether the lawbreakers get citizenship or a green card only. They will have the same impact in terms of costs. They will add a $2.6 trillion liability to our entitlement programs and they will be able to sponsor 66 million of their relatives to join them as part of chain migration, i.e., family reunification. With green cards, they will be legally able to work competing against the 23 million Americans looking for fulltime employment. They will added to the Obamacare rolls probably being subsidized on the exchanges or added to the Medicaid rolls. Their children born here will be US citizens.

But, the forces wanting to maintain the status quo are extremely powerful. They will undermine ANY EFFORT to improve anything. That’s why Rubio’s plan that includes control of entry is as good as it gets.

Rubio's plan is amnesty. It is a poison pill making any improvements a non-issue. What is Rubio going to do about legal immigration? Are we still going to bring in 1.2 million a year? The decade ending in 2010 was the highest in our history in terms of legal immigration--13.9 million. During that same period we had a net loss of 400,000 jobs. Does that make sense?

If this is "as good as it gets," then no deal is better than this one.

The bottom line is this: anyone who wants too much is actually going to end up with the status quo....which they hate. It’s the classic catch 22.

It is a phony strawman. The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.

No deal.

51 posted on 01/31/2013 8:17:27 AM PST by kabar
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