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RUBIO'S AMNESTY: A PATH TO OBLIVION FOR THE GOP
AnnCoulter.com ^ | 1-30-2013 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 01/30/2013 6:33:19 PM PST by smoothsailing

January 30, 2013

RUBIO'S AMNESTY: A PATH TO OBLIVION FOR THE GOP

Ann Coulter

Apart from finding out that Barack Obama did far worse in his re-election than nearly any other incumbent who won re-election, the only thing that perked me up after Nov. 6 was coming across a Time magazine published after the 2004 election, when George W. Bush won a second term.

In the mirror image of all the 2012 post-election analyses, the Democrats were said to be finished, out of ideas, hopelessly unpopular. It's like watching MSNBC, with the word "Democrats" replaced with "Republicans."

Democrats had thrown everything they had into beating Bush, crushing the Howard Dean wing of their party and running a moderate -- a Vietnam veteran, no less! They had George Soros, Michael Moore and Code Pink working like fiends to topple Bush.

Still, they lost to an incumbent. As Time noted, the Democrats had "lost five of the past seven presidential elections."

But the pendulum swings. The Democrats came roaring back in 2006 and again in 2008. There's no reason Republicans can't do the same, unburdened by having to run against an incumbent in 2016.

Unless Marco Rubio has his way.

The Democrats never change their ideas; they change the voters. For decades, Democrats have been working feverishly to create more Democrats by encouraging divorce (another Democratic voter!), illegitimacy (another Democratic voter!) and Third World immigration (another Democratic voter!).

Strangely, some Republicans seem determined to create more Democratic voters, too. That will be the primary result of Sen. Marco Rubio's amnesty plan.

IT'S NOT AMNESTY! Rubio's proponents cry. They seem to think they can bully Republicans the way the Democrats do, by controlling the language.

Rubio's bill is nothing but amnesty. It isn't even "amnesty thinly disguised as border enforcement." This is a wolf in wolf's clothing.

Despite all the blather about how Rubio demands "Enforcement First!" the very first thing his proposal does is make illegal aliens legal. (Don't call them "illegal aliens"!)



The ability to live and work legally in America is the most valuable commodity in the world; it's the Hope Diamond of the universe. I know young, well-educated Canadians who waited a decade for that privilege.

Step One of Marco Rubio's plan is: Grant illegal aliens the right to live and work in America legally. (Rubio's first move in poker: Fold.)

People who have broken our laws will thus leap ahead of millions of foreigners dying to immigrate here, but -- unwilling to enter illegally -- waiting patiently in their own countries.

The only thing the newly legalized illegal immigrants won't get immediately is citizenship. Rubio claims that under his plan, they won't be able to vote or go on welfare. But in practice, they'll have to wait only until the ACLU finds a judge to say otherwise.

Even under Rubio's scheme, all the children born to the 11 million newly legalized illegals will be instant citizens, able to collect welfare for their whole families and vote as soon as they are old enough.

Which won't be long: The vast majority of illegal aliens are Hispanic, and Hispanics have a higher teen birthrate than any other ethnic group. In California, a majority of all Hispanic births are illegitimate. That's a lot of Democratic voters coming.

And look how great that's turned out! With Hispanics on track to become the largest ethnic group in California this year, the state that gave us Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan is incapable of electing any Republican statewide anymore. Taxes keep going up, and there's no one left to pay the bill.

That will be our entire country if Republicans fall for Rubio's phony "Enforcement First!" plan. Perplexingly, some Republicans seem determined to turn the whole nation into California, in the foolish hope of winning one last election.

No border can be secure when the pot of gold on the other side is an American green card. (Again playing games with language, Rubio doesn't call the right to legally live and work here a "green card," but in practical effect, that's what it is.)

So when exactly does the enforcement part of Rubio's "Enforcement First!" plan kick in? Answer: Never.

Or rather, enforcement becomes both impossible -- because nothing will stop them if legalization is the lure -- and irrelevant -- because there's no penalty for leaving the border wide open.

Even if enforcement "fails," are the 11 million illegals already legalized by Rubio going to be asked to leave? Of course not.

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is a Republican who -- as a Princeton and Harvard Law graduate -- does not yearn for "strange new respect" from the elites. This week, he said of Rubio's amnesty plan: "To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally."

If only other Republicans didn't ride the tea party to victory before realizing they really just want to be John McCain.

COPYRIGHT 2013 ANN COULTER
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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegalaliens; illegals; rubio
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1 posted on 01/30/2013 6:33:23 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Hey Ann,

Back more libs for high office and then sit stunned when the rest act like libs.

That’s a winning strategy for America.


2 posted on 01/30/2013 6:36:49 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: smoothsailing

Lucy is holding the football and Charlie Brown is trusting again.


3 posted on 01/30/2013 6:37:11 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: smoothsailing
A very simple test of sincerity for those proposing this new amnesty is that every applicant's background check includes a search of voter registration roles. If they have committed felony vote fraud, they should be out of here.

I've written dozens of emails, letters and faxes to members of congress and talk show mouthpieces. It has not been mentioned that I know of.

Democrats would surely oppose it, but Rubio (who's office I've called) has yet to mention it.

I am unchanged in my opinion that this is nothing more than democrat voter recruitment and they're gonna play Rubio like a dime store kazoo.

4 posted on 01/30/2013 6:38:39 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: smoothsailing

The donk party will be in the WH forever. Bush will go down in history as the last Republican President the US ever had.


5 posted on 01/30/2013 6:39:57 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: Baynative
this is nothing more than democrat voter recruitment and they're gonna play Rubio like a dime store kazoo.

Sure looks that way.

6 posted on 01/30/2013 6:46:06 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Baynative

No, Rubio has been very forthcoming about his amnesty positions. He wants it. This is not a Dem voter drive as much as it’s the GOP absolving themselves of conservatism.

An in our face ‘FU’.


7 posted on 01/30/2013 6:48:40 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: smoothsailing

Rubio is a degenerate little twerp busy body lawyer and con man who never held a real job in his life.

Actually heard him utter the phrase “undocumented worker” on the 10 minutes of the 3 hour Limbaugh show that isn’t a collection of continuous commercials for ridiculous products and services that nobody with half a brain would purchase.

So now the Washingtonians from both parties for their own selfish and nefarious reasons want to enfranchise illegal alien criminals at the expense of real Americans who work for a living and actually pay taxes.

The degenerate political class keeps pushing the productive class against the wall, mugging them via the IRS under threat of imprisonment in broad daylight.

Soon will come a breaking point.

The tyranny of the Washingtonians and their apparatchiks in the bureaucracy and their demented evil propagandists in the press must inevitably result in the collapse of the first American Republic and the rise of a second Republic.

A Republic where the Franchise is limited to responsible citizens, and the Capital in not located in DC but is rotated amongst the States that are invited to join (NY, CA, the entire Northeast and IL need not bother to apply).

The sooner the collapse happens, the better.

The Washingtonians extort 3 trillion dollars from the working stiffs paycheck every year, and will stop at nothing to continue their thievery.

The Washingtonian problem will not be solved via the electoral process.

No solutions to any of our problems will come from DC, for the political class in DC is the biggest threat to the security and wallet of the American productive class, not the barbarians in the Middle East.

Heck, if they took out DC, they would be doing us all a favor.

Marco Rubio and his “immigration reform” initiative can go straight to Hell.

Maybe he team up with that fake suntanned orange faggot Charlie Crist and pass a national primary seat belt enforcement law like he did in Florida.

Marco is busy, busy , busy.

FUMR


8 posted on 01/30/2013 6:48:48 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: smoothsailing

Coulter also told the country that Romney was the only guy that could win, then blames voters when he didn’t.
Sometimes she is just a loudmouth.


9 posted on 01/30/2013 6:52:29 PM PST by two23 (My Dad said they were all commies back in the 60's. He was right.)
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To: smoothsailing
This is what I think is going to happen.

0bamugabe is going to demagogue the issue and demonize Republicans, in spite of the fact that they’re ready to cave, and Schumer, Durbin, et al are going to sucker the Pubbies in then torpedo the whole thing. The Dems are only using this to pull the rug out from under Pubbies in the mid-terms.

10 posted on 01/30/2013 6:54:00 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: smoothsailing

I like Rush’s idea. Make them all legal citizens immediately, except they can’t vote for the next 25 years. The dems would never go for that and hopefully the Mexican illegals would know how much the Dems “cared for them”.


11 posted on 01/30/2013 6:56:28 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: chessplayer
Bush will go down in history as the last Republican President the US ever had.

Boy, that's something to be proud of (do I need this? -> "/s"). I tried to hold out hope, but our generation lost the country. I'm truly sorry kids and grand kids.

12 posted on 01/30/2013 6:58:43 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: smoothsailing; All

Hey Ann, CAGOP tried it your way in the mid-90s. It’s how they got where they did. Put up or shut-up? Where’s your alternative plan?


13 posted on 01/30/2013 7:00:37 PM PST by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: TigersEye

Yes, the dems are pulling every issue out to the open for repubs so they can continue to look like “the party of NO”.
Everything—the fiscal cliff, defense of marriage, women in combat, dropping DADT, immigration, tax payer funded abortion...all the issues that when repubs say no, they are made out to be evil, homophobe, racist, sexist and out of touch with reality.
Dems set the trap and repubs either step in it or join the other side.


14 posted on 01/30/2013 7:03:33 PM PST by two23 (My Dad said they were all commies back in the 60's. He was right.)
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To: two23

I think that is 0bamugabe’s entire strategy. Fiscal policy, gun control, immigration and whatever the next hot button issue is that he and the Dems bring up. Blow it up with wild rhetoric, create a sense of urgency, claim they want Pubbies to come in and make it bi-partisan then destroy the whole thing from within (0bamugabe’s #1 job) and demonize Republicans for the ‘failure.’


15 posted on 01/30/2013 7:11:53 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: smoothsailing

Ann Coulter is wrong and working for the other side.

She knows that the status quo will prevail if nothing gets done due to infighting.

Rubio insists on controlling border, visas, etc., BEFORE granting green cards to non-criminals.

However, right now we have 11-20 million illegals, no controls on the border, ruined social security, injured employment, injured health care, etc., all because the status quo prevails.

Who benefits from the status quo?

Democrats as illegals pour across the border.

Unscrupulous employers who hire non-citizens.

And apparently Ann Coulter.


16 posted on 01/30/2013 7:12:10 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: two23

If they wanted to they could use every one of these issues to rally the American people away from cammunism.

But they DON’T want that. They are playing the scapegoat intentionally. Because their actions. not words but ACTIONS, show they want it every bit as much as the Dems.

And for the excusemakers that say ‘BS’, it is on YOU to show how their actions since 2010 point to any other direction.

We elected a conservative house, they went full metal liberal shortly thereafter. Bohner led the charge. Those are the facts.


17 posted on 01/30/2013 7:15:18 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: smoothsailing

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ? What makes it necessary for US to subjugate our sovereignty because of available cheap labor ?

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections


18 posted on 01/30/2013 7:16:06 PM PST by mosesdapoet (.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)
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To: smoothsailing

So Annie has decided she is back to being “severely conservative” again now...

after pushing the AMNESTY Bill lovin Willard in the 2012 election...


19 posted on 01/30/2013 7:21:16 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: smoothsailing

For decades, Democrats have been working feverishly to create more Democrats by encouraging divorce (another Democratic voter!), illegitimacy (another Democratic voter!) and Third World immigration (another Democratic voter!).
______________________________________

HEY !!! Annie !!!

how do you explain abortion (one less Democrat)


20 posted on 01/30/2013 7:24:16 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Norm Lenhart
"ubio has been very forthcoming about his amnesty positions."

All I've heard him say is that not securing the border is a deal breaker. That means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This bill will get reconstructed, drafted and pushed through just like health care so that it can be passed in order to see what's in it. Democrats promising to a provision is as worthless as the oath of office they took in vain.

Once any version of this bill passes, it's "Katie bar the door". All Mr. Rubio needs to do (as I suggested when I called his Miami office) is go on national TV and ask the democrats to include that the back ground check provision will mandate pulling voter registration roles to see if felony vote fraud has been committed by applicants.

The dems would scream "racist" , but it won't happen anyway because the fix is in - count on it.

21 posted on 01/30/2013 7:44:13 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Baynative

“All I’ve heard him say is that not securing the border is a deal breaker.”

Read up on his Dream act BS.

Pisses me off.


22 posted on 01/30/2013 7:48:42 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Rome2000
WOW! Your words exactly express my feelings. The political class in D.C. will destroy this Republic.

There is absolutely no way to "legislate" this country back to Liberty.

A collapse is coming, 1, 5 or 20 years. Let's pray our Republic can be restored.

23 posted on 01/30/2013 7:56:24 PM PST by sand88
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24 posted on 01/30/2013 8:15:28 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Rome2000
Soon will come a breaking point.

The tyranny of the Washingtonians and their apparatchiks in the bureaucracy and their demented evil propagandists in the press must inevitably result in the collapse of the first American Republic and the rise of a second Republic.

A Republic where the Franchise is limited to responsible citizens, and the Capital in not located in DC but is rotated amongst the States that are invited to join (NY, CA, the entire Northeast and IL need not bother to apply).

The sooner the collapse happens, the better.

Amen....Amen....Amen....and Amen!

Agree on all points! Even so, come quickly!

25 posted on 01/30/2013 8:16:21 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Rome2000
How dare you attack Rush Limbaugh!

From this moment on, you will not be allowed to purchase a Sleep Number Bed, a single gold bar, rent a temporary office, or use Carbonite or Go-to-Meeting. Please, don't beg.

Former rock'n'roll DJ Rush may be, but he has achieved sainthood and is quoted daily by many of the smartest people in trailer parks everywhere. The fact that he does not question Rubio's status as a Natural Born Citizen, despite being born to two (2) non-citizens is proof positive that this issue does not matter.

As far as illegal immigration goes, it wasn't all that long ago that St. Rushmo was saying "....sign of a healthy economy ... hardworkers ... doing jobs that Ameri .....etc. etc." ad naus. In short, he was a mouth for Karl Rove and his preposterous theory of "Mexicans the Republicans of the Future."

Rush is a broadcaster of absolutely preternatural talent. Political Philosopher? Nah! His job is preaching to the choir and selling them weird stuff, which he does very, very well.

26 posted on 01/30/2013 8:19:33 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, what the hell happened to Reggie Love? Who's in the playroom with Barry now?)
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To: Rome2000

We need to get Rubio to amend the “immigration reform initiative” to include a requirement for the “illegal aliens “ to forfeit their right to vote until they qualify for USA citizenship or 25 years, whichever is LESS?

Clearly this whole amnesty crap is nothing short of pandering for Hispanic votes. Disqualifying them from voting should be added to the penalties for being in the country illegally (why can’t we call them what they are - CRIMINALS) and non-negotiable from the Pub standpoint. Let’s see how many Rats will go for this one, which would demonstrate their true motive behind this “immigration reform initiative”.


27 posted on 01/30/2013 8:20:04 PM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: All; two23
Yes, the dems are pulling every issue out to the open for repubs so they can continue to look like “the party of NO”.

Perception is reality in politics. Politics is all about amassing power by consensus.

NOW -I would suggest that the questions being asked are not legitimately premised UNLESS there is a campaign. The Republicans are already in office -they do not have to gain power -they already have it -they own the House. No campaign necessary -in fact, campaigning is a distraction and a waste of efforts and resources. Let Obama campaign all he wants -so what!!!!

As such, no consensus is necessary and as such perception is irrelevant.

The Part of NO should remain the party of NO -NO more compromise. As well, the party of NO should become the party of NO COMMENT. To hell with even attempting to make a case for a media that is in bed with the enemy.

Republicans should ignore all the leftist diversions -ignore all the media circus -not even participate in the perception and consensus game. They should just hunker down and execute the plan -period!

Really, I could care less about interviews and statements and this or that BS -all I care about are the votes and the actions. They should just do it -no apologies or excuses or rationale is necessary to do their job no mater how many times the left demands it! The left is NOTHING -the left is not the grand arbiter that decides what is and what is not legitimate so why even entertain their questioning -tell the left to pack sand -no comment necessary!!!!

The time for a new strategy -a strategy of action rather than discussion is NOW! No bipartisanship or Obama approval is necessary...

28 posted on 01/30/2013 8:21:15 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: smoothsailing
Turning the bromance between Linda and Juan into a Ménage à Trois shows how perverted the GOPe can be.

Rubio is playing with fire.

29 posted on 01/30/2013 8:35:19 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: smoothsailing

If Mr. Rubio gets his way on immigration, he will have succeeded in doing more damage to conservative ideals - and to America’s future - than a RINO like Chris Christie could ever hope to do...


30 posted on 01/30/2013 8:49:16 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: smoothsailing

Well, I guess this is a positive, Coulter is no longer being Obama Supporter going after Birthers

The Rubio-Obama bill is Amnesty...and any other description of it is just spin


31 posted on 01/30/2013 9:07:18 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Wisconsinlady

I like Rush’s idea. Make them all legal citizens immediately, except they can’t vote for the next 25 years.


That is AMNESTY

If you are not deporting Illegal Aliens, it is Amnesty.

That idea is like letting all the drunk drivers escape DUI charges, but have to walk to bars for the next 25 years. Aint gonna happen


32 posted on 01/30/2013 9:12:22 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Wisconsinlady
I like Rush’s idea. Make them all legal citizens immediately, except they can’t vote for the next 25 years.

What a dumb statement. Does Rush really believe the courts would allow a second class of citizenship for 11 million or more people? There is no way legal citizens of this country can be denied the vote just because they gained their citizenship thru an amnesty.

33 posted on 01/30/2013 10:02:10 PM PST by kabar
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To: Norm Lenhart

Would anyone listen to Ann if she looked like Madeleine Albright or Helen Thomas? She may yearn for Krispy Kreme Christie for POTUS but would she have dated him?


34 posted on 01/30/2013 10:04:52 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Rome2000
"Actually heard him utter the phrase “undocumented worker” on the 10 minutes of the 3 hour Limbaugh show..."

Ok, that does it! I'm going to have to go to his site and check the transcript because the crap phrase in quotes, if accurate, sure would give me an "oh (BLEEP!)" moment!!!

Not because Rubio said it as a freudian slip of monumental proportions, but because Rush didn't catch it instantly and call Marco out on it. Maybe Rush's hearing problem caused this, who knows. That new TX Senator Cruz is the one Rush really should be supporting IMO, but it's his show. Aside from that it's my country!!!

35 posted on 01/30/2013 10:11:00 PM PST by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: xzins
Rubio insists on controlling border, visas, etc., BEFORE granting green cards to non-criminals. However, right now we have 11-20 million illegals, no controls on the border, ruined social security, injured employment, injured health care, etc., all because the status quo prevails.

Rubio wants to legalize their status immediately so they can stay and work here, It is an amnesty.

Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay and work here is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.

Who benefits from the status quo?

The Dems benefit with or without an amnesty. Legal immigration is actually more of a problem than illegal immigration. The legal immigrants are having far more of an impact electorally. The Dems don’t need a amnesty to get more Dem voters. Every year, 1.2 million legal immigrants enter the US and the overwhelming majority of them will be voting Dem. The last decade ending in 2010 saw the largest number of legal immigrants ever to enter this country in our history—13.9 million. One in 8 in this country is foreign born compared to one in 21 in 1970. Immigration is changing our electoral demographics ensuring that the Dems will be the permanent majority party. Amnesty just hastens a process that has been ongoing over the past 40 years.

Democrats as illegals pour across the border

40% of the illegals who are in this country came here legally and overstayed their visas. Securing the border only solves part of the problem.

36 posted on 01/30/2013 10:11:19 PM PST by kabar
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To: TigersEye
Tiger,

The neo-Cons at “Commentary” and “Weekly Standard” are promoting your argument.

It makes no sense to me.

Obama has already given “Executive Order Amnesty” to 2 million illegals - those brought here as “children” and those with a legal spouse or with legal dependent family members.

Once he gets citizenship for the other 9 million, Texas will vote Democrat in 2016, and Conservatism will be dead.

The MSM has been demonizing Republicans 24-7 on every issue imaginable for the last 20 years - why would Obama have to “torpedo” immigration reform to make that happen?

If Congress doesn't vote for Amnesty, Obama will just grant Amnesty by Executive Order.

37 posted on 01/30/2013 10:18:01 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Tennessee Nana
Nana,

Believe it or not, Romney was the strongest anti-Amnesty candidate in the GOP Primary.

He pretty much avoided the issue during the general election.

No telling where he might have ended up on the issue if he had been elected and “matured” in office.

38 posted on 01/30/2013 10:27:50 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: kabar

Some men just want to watch the world burn.


39 posted on 01/30/2013 10:32:33 PM PST by bicyclerepair (toodamtall1@yahoo.com)
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To: zeestephen

Why did he have to demagogue the ‘fiscal cliff’ when he had just won the election? Why did he have to jump on gun control with both feet less than three hours after the shooting at Newtown? You don’t think he or Schumer or Durbin really intend to work with Rubio on his plan do you? 0bama came out the day after the Schumer-Durbin-Rubio press conference and threw a wrench in their ‘bi-partisan’ announcement. This is a bait-and-switch IMO.


40 posted on 01/30/2013 10:34:27 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Rome2000
Here is the quote from the transcript that I think you mis-interpreted my FRiend.

Rubio:"You know, 40% of our illegal immigrants of our undocumented people that are in this country, they didn't cross the border, they came legally. Their visa expired and they stayed and we don't track people when they leave. We only track them when they come in."

Yes, again this is why Rush is literally correct in the high nineties (percentage wise)!

I could tell by the tone of the rest of your comments on this subject alone that you probably just don't care for Rush, which is your privilege last time I checked.

41 posted on 01/30/2013 10:38:16 PM PST by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: TigersEye

He wants BOTH goals....

His political agenda as law.

And, the destruction of the Republican Party.

He doesn’t need to compromise or scam.


42 posted on 01/30/2013 10:54:30 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

That doesn’t make sense to me. All he has done is scam since day one. Every issue he has taken up he has done in an underhanded manner. Not surprising since he has been scamming his way through life since he was a child. IMO that’s the only strategy he knows.


43 posted on 01/30/2013 10:58:22 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: smoothsailing

44 posted on 01/31/2013 12:47:53 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Baynative
You got that right ....amnesty is nothing more than Dem recruitment.....

Vote-crazed pols are concerned only w/ getting entrenched in office, and achieving higher office, on the backs of mainstream Americans---using MSM Americans for their personal gain.

Fugeddabait.

We have to scare the beejezus out of 'em---let the creeps know WE KNOW what they're up to. It's appalling that a few narcissistic pols can corrupt a Nation---making unconscionable demands on the citizenry. Allowing law-breakers and foreign countries to exert a stranglehold on a free country. NOT what the Founders intended.

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Hispanic pressure groups---"Voto Latino" AND other latino groups lobbying Congres for amnesty----- need immediate investigation:

(1)to determine the scope and dimension of Voto Latino and other Hispo/lobbying groups using pressure tactics on Congress (a violation of US law).

(2) Hispo/lobbying groups and Voto Latino's exchanging votes for amnesty (a violation of US law).

(3) Hispo/lobbying groups and Voto Latino's sources of funding---whether tax dollars are illegally funding legislative initiatives, and, whether foreign countries are funding their activities.

(4) whether Voto Latino is using hate-mongering against amnesty opponents to force a vote.

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enforcement@SEC.gov

IRS toll free 1-800--829-1040

FBI TIPS PAGE---https://tips.fbi.gov/

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PARA-MILITARY DEMOCRATS A RELIC OF CIVIL WAR Carpetbaggers---Northern invaders into the South ----were prominent in politics until 1875, but nearly all left under pressure from the Red Shirts and White Liners -----white paramilitary organizations, then-described as "the military arm of the Democratic Party", working openly to violently overthrow Republican rule, using intimidation and assassination to turn Republicans out of office and suppress freedmen's (former slaves) voting.

The Republican sheriff of Yazoo, Mississippi, received a brief flurry of national attention when insurgent white Democrats took over the county government and forced him to flee. (WIKI)

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FREEPER ACTION MEMO In 1875, Hiram Revels, a Mississippi Republican--and the first African-American US Senator--wrote to then-Pres Ulysses S. Grant denouncing Northern invaders into the post-Civil War south for manipulating the Black vote for personal benefit, and for keeping alive wartime hatreds. (WIKI)

We need to get someone with integrity----like Cong Allen West (not reelected)----- to write letters to his colleagues, and to the media.

Cong West needs to do the following:

(1) decry the agitation and intimidation tactics being used by latino groups,

(2) expose latinos using hatemongering for personal gain,

(3) emphasize the illegalities WRT threateing the US Congress, and,

(4) precpitate investigations into fraud.

45 posted on 01/31/2013 5:21:10 AM PST by Liz
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To: kabar

Are you ok with maintaining the status quo?


46 posted on 01/31/2013 5:22:50 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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Vote-crazed US pols are marching in lockstep with Mexico.

Mexico is pushing north at a furious pace---throwing its "pressure groups" over the border---salivating for reconquista---to takeover the SW--- financing and coaching their fifth column invasion of US borders.

The wailing and whining invaders' propaganda-----"just here for a better life, to do jobs Americanos won't do"---really "gets" bleeding heart sap-happy liberals and vote-crazed US politicians.

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The latino criminal underworld on US soil has more criminal enterprises than you can shake a stick at.

<><>ICE's "documents and benefits fraud taskforce" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.

<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington staterapist---had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.

<><>June 26, 2010 An illegal using multiple identities was sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemploymet compensation. Manuel Mejia Ordonez, got eight years for conspiracy to commit mail fraud........and identity theft.

<><> Hilderberto Salinas sold state drivers' licenses issued out of the state’s Motor Vehicle Agency in NJ to illegals with multiple identities who did not have the necessary id's....among 40 people who participated in the widespread ring. "Impoverished" illegals paid $2,500 to $7,000 apiece for the licenses---which allows them to vote.

The US State Dept once stopped taking passports from Hudson County, NJ---b/c they were mostly fraudulent. The latino HC Clerk was then given a high post in then Dem Gov Corine's admin.

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Vote-crazed pols are using US gvt authority and tax dollars to foment hatred againt America and Americans.

AN EXAMINATION OF LA RAZA STUDIES---SCHOOL CURRICULUM: These shocking quotes are taken directly from A LA Raza textbook "Occupied America" (pg. 167): “Supporters would execute all white males over age 16,” (also known as the Plan of San Diego). LA Raza school textbook chapter from “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and if worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323).

La Raza books also talk about the need for the govt of Mexico to re-take seven states in SW United States. so that the Southwest USA would become a Chicano nation. And judging by Ramos' activities---La Raza is establishing a beachhead in NJ.

YOU ARE PAYING FOR THIS In 2005 alone, $7.9 million in taxpayer funding was given to "La Raza charter schools" via the US Dept of Education grants. These charter schools stress Latino culture, the Spanish language, the re-conquest of the American Southwest, the establishment of the mythical Atzlan on US soil, and even Aztec math.

In addition to using taxpayer funds to enforce the teaching of murdering Americans and latino violence, the federally-funded La Raza organization operates 100 charter schools across America.

47 posted on 01/31/2013 5:25:08 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
"We have to scare the beejezus out of 'em---let the creeps know WE KNOW what they're up to. It's appalling that a few narcissistic pols can corrupt a Nation---making unconscionable demands on the citizenry. Allowing law-breakers and foreign countries to exert a stranglehold on a free country. NOT what the Founders intended."

With the help of the liberal media the democrats are doing exactly that. They are intimidating voters and have convinced a good part of the electorate that republicans are racists who hate them, women and children.

They are doing what they can to give more poser to foreign powers and what the media frames as "minorities" that are now the actual majority.,p. Listen to the news: they are now morphing the Sandy Hook school shooting into the need to toss out the constitution. The media will beat this drum incessantly and their chance of selling it to illegals, unions and code pink is probably better than half because republicans will not stand up in opposition.

48 posted on 01/31/2013 6:42:13 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: xzins
Are you ok with maintaining the status quo?

Of course not, but I am dead set against an amnesty of any kind. Why the urgency to legalize the status of 12 to 20 million illegals who are already here? The costs are enormous and by rewarding something you get more of it. If anything, the 1986 amnesty should have taught us that.

Here is my plan to deal with the immigration issue--legal and illegal:

Advocate a pro-immigrant policy of low immigration. Republicans need to provide the American people with their own comprehensive immigration reform plan, i.e., give people a reason to vote FOR something rather than just attack the other side’s proposals. Such a plan should contain the following elements:

 Formulate a merit based immigration system that brings in the skills and talents to keep us competitive in the global economy;

 Reduce immigration levels based on need more closely approximating 300,000 a year;

 Eliminate extended chain migration, i.e., family reunification, limiting it to the nuclear family,

 Secure the border;

 Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;

 Eliminate birthright citizenship and the visa lottery program;

 Ensure that anyone who enters this nation illegally is not rewarded by being permitted to stay and work here; i.e., no amnesty;

 Streamline the processing and adjudication of immigration cases;

 Promote pro-immigrant measures that help newcomers assimilate and embrace the values and principles of our Founders and the Constitution.

Rubio is just acting as the salesman for the McCain-Kennedy 2007 amnesty bill. All of the elements he has mentioned are in that 2007 900 page bill, which I have read cover to cover along with the 2006 Hagel-Martinez amnesty bill that passed the Rep-controlled Senate (the Reps voted against it 32-23), and the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli bill.

Rubio and the Gang of Eight's plan is just old wine in new bottles. The idea that we must now swoon because an Hispanic Rep is the point man is nonsense. It must be stopped. Legislators should adopt the doctor's rule, "First, do no harm." An amnesty will destroy this country with the stroke of a pen. Everything else that follows is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

49 posted on 01/31/2013 6:56:40 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Kabar, I agree with your plan. I know, however, that it will not get passed. Ever. The power brokers committed to maintaining the status quo will see to that.

Then we’re stuck with the status quo.

My hopes are simply stated right now. I want controlled entry of border, visa, etc. I want green card acceptance of current illegals instead of citizenship.

But, the forces wanting to maintain the status quo are extremely powerful. They will undermine ANY EFFORT to improve anything. That’s why Rubio’s plan that includes control of entry is as good as it gets.

The bottom line is this: anyone who wants too much is actually going to end up with the status quo....which they hate.

It’s the classic catch 22.


50 posted on 01/31/2013 7:09:23 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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