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Why There's No Real Inflation - Yet
TMO - Money Morning ^ | 1-30-2013 | Martin Hutchinson

Posted on 01/30/2013 11:35:47 AM PST by blam

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1 posted on 01/30/2013 11:36:01 AM PST by blam
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To: Jet Jaguar; jiggyboy
Rush To Safety: Americans Buy Nearly Half a Billion Dollars Of Gold and Silver In January
2 posted on 01/30/2013 11:39:02 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Just talking about this,

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5ETNX

If we have hit the long term support bottom in August, there is only two options, inflation, or stagflation.

No one in the history of the world knows how to unwind this unprecedented stimulus, the world is awash in digital currency, ...


3 posted on 01/30/2013 11:40:03 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
"If we have hit the long term support bottom in August, there is only two options, inflation, or stagflation."

John Williams Forecasts U.S. Dollar Hyperinflation Before End Of 2014

4 posted on 01/30/2013 11:42:01 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

We’ve both been on FR and online forums for a long time, I’ve lost all faith in John Williams and ShadowStats. 7 years ago we would have been sitting here trying to analysis the tea leaves Williams was dropping in his free reports. No more for me.

I’d sit down and drink with the guy and bullshit about the world and how it’s falling apart, but I have seen too many impeccably written retorts to his information to giver any further credence to his body of work related to ShadowStats calculated implied rates of , UE6, M3, etc.


5 posted on 01/30/2013 11:51:13 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: blam

Because fed pumping is helping growth in Asia not in the US, better tax laws and opportunity.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 11:51:13 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: JerseyHighlander
"I’d sit down and drink with the guy and bullshit about the world and how it’s falling apart, but I have seen too many impeccably written retorts to his information to giver any further credence to his body of work related to ShadowStats calculated implied rates of , UE6, M3, etc."

Yes...fair enough.

7 posted on 01/30/2013 11:55:48 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

I’m commenting here mainly so that smarter people than me can tell me how I’m wrong.

In my opinion, inflation is masked over the last couple of decades by a couple of things. For one, computers, internet, telecommunications, have revolutionized all kinds of things and this has helped to keep prices low and going lower.

Offshoring our manufacturing has kept prices low.

A collapsing economy has cut the price of housing.

A weak economy also affects the demand for trucking, making it lower than it would otherwise be, which helps to keep fuel lower than it otherwise would be.

High unemployment keeps wages from rising much if at all.

Thats aside from the games that the statisticians play, where they claim that something is better, hence the higher cost isn’t really a higher cost. (Similar to the games they play with unemployment figures, where if you’re out of work long enough they stop counting you). The 2% figure, I believe, is a lie.

Still, whatever is the true figure, its lower than it would be if the economy wasn’t on the rocks and we weren’t innovating, and we weren’t letting Chinese do our work for us.


8 posted on 01/30/2013 11:56:53 AM PST by marron
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To: blam

Check the inflation rate of food and ammo.


9 posted on 01/30/2013 11:58:41 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: blam
I've been posting the velocity chart from FRED on here for the past 3+ years:


10 posted on 01/30/2013 11:59:15 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: blam
I have no problems with the analysis in this piece, but I'm not sure about the conclusion - buy gold. The government has, and will again in my opinion, confiscate gold at a fixed price as they did in 1933. Why? Because without a gold alternative to fiat money the government has complete control of the money supply and hence the economy; which will be a preferable alternative to devaluation and austerity for politicians bent on staying in power as long as possible by offering bread and circuses to the masses.
11 posted on 01/30/2013 11:59:15 AM PST by Old North State
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To: JerseyHighlander
"Yes...fair enough. "

And, I meant to say.

I've been giving a little more attention to articles these days that state 'when' their predictions will happen.

I'm pretty sure that TS(will)HTF...I just don't know if it's tomorrow or ten years from now. I like hearing all opinions on the 'when.'

12 posted on 01/30/2013 12:02:33 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

2% Inflation???

Seriously??

Anyone who has bought groceries or fuel in the past 12 months knows that the “real” inflation rate is probably around 12% per year.

Just like the unemployment rate is 7.something when 8 million fewer people are employed than four years ago.

I just can’t tell if I’m reading Pravda or Tass.


13 posted on 01/30/2013 12:04:00 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (The AR-15 is the Honda Civic of rifles)
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To: blam

No inflation?

4 years ago I was surprised when my shopping total went over $200 or $250 dollars.

Last week my bill topped $400 for the first time ever


14 posted on 01/30/2013 12:05:37 PM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: blam

We have plenty of inflation, but prices are measured in such a way as to hide the real inflation rate.


15 posted on 01/30/2013 12:07:32 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: marron
"I’m commenting here mainly so that smarter people than me can tell me how I’m wrong."

That's exactly my motivation for posting these articles.
I learn much from the questions and comments of others...often, I don't even know what question to ask. So..... (The hard part is steering clear of the Smart Alecs)

16 posted on 01/30/2013 12:13:42 PM PST by blam
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To: ozzymandus

All bad news, all policy consequences of liberalism, will be hidden until they can’t be hidden anymore,

then those consequences will be blamed on the opponents of liberalism.

We’re already seeing this - the fourth quarter negative GDP is being blamed on Republicans.


17 posted on 01/30/2013 12:15:47 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: blam

September 2015.

Google Jonathan Cahn and listen to an interview with him to know why I say that.

Judgement 1 was Sept 11, 2001.
Judgement 2 was Sept, 2008 (economic crash).
Judgement 3 is Sept, 2015.

All on the “jubilee” 7 yr cycle.


18 posted on 01/30/2013 12:18:00 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: blam
A couple of thoughts:

1) High Powered Money = M = Coin and Currency = Printing Press Money.

2) Physical purchases of precious metals are not counted in any of the M numbers M1, M2, ...)

3) Since physical precious metal purchases are generally excess liquid funds (i.e.Coin and Currency) much of the increase in High Powered Money is drained by the increase in precious metal purchases.

4) Velocity of Money V is vastly impacted by loan demand.

5) While banks would love to loan out the excess Coin and Currency, industry managers are not willing to borrow money as long as an avowed socialist occupies the White House and his minions in Congress harbor the most business unfriendly sentiments seen in decades. So, as the old saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" regardless of the price (interest rates) of water which figuratively speaking today is ZERO.

6) Without loan demand, the money multiplier effect of High Powered Money is largely negated regardless of the increases in the other M measures.

19 posted on 01/30/2013 12:26:01 PM PST by immadashell
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To: blam
"Five years ago, nearly every economist in the world would have told you this would cause inflation to skyrocket"

Yes, with the BIG CAVEAT: "Ceteris Paribus", or "All things remaining equal"

But if the Velocity of money simultaneously slows dramatically, it is entirely possible for Money Supply to expand without inflation.

So, if banks don't lend the excess cash, and corporations don't spend (invest) their excess capital, what happens inflation-wise? Nothing.

Yet.

But Monday's WSJ had three articles pointing to the beginning of asset bubbles: The price of Stocks, Houses and Bonds are all up.

All that cash is starting to chase things. Bubble-mania, here we go again!

20 posted on 01/30/2013 12:38:29 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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