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Sen. David Vitter: Marco Rubio ‘nuts’ on immigration
POLITICO ^ | MACKENZIE WEINGER

Posted on 01/30/2013 10:42:47 AM PST by JohnPDuncan

Sen. David Vitter on Wednesday called Florida Sen. Marco Rubio “amazingly naïve” and “nuts” on the issue of immigration and slammed the new bipartisan reform proposal as “ridiculous.”

The Louisiana Republican told “The Laura Ingraham Show” that the blueprint unveiled by a group of eight senators is a plan that mirrors the “same old” failed immigration reform of 1986. Rubio’s belief that enforcement mechanisms will work this time around is “just amazingly naïve,” Vitter said.

“I love and respect Marco. I think he’s just amazingly naïve on this issue,” Vitter said. “This is the same old formula that we’ve dealt with before, including when it passed in 1986, and that is promises of enforcement and immediate amnesty. And of course, the promises of enforcement never materialize. The amnesty happens immediately — the millisecond the bill is signed into law, and the same is true here. No, they won’t be citizens immediately. They will be legal.”

“Citizenship is guaranteed at that point as a practical matter,” he added.

Vitter said that if the Florida Republican doesn’t think legal status offers a pathway to citizenship, “he’s nuts.”

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TOPICS: Government; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: 113th; aliens; illegals; rubio; vitter
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1 posted on 01/30/2013 10:42:50 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: JohnPDuncan

I agree. I do not see why Republicans are supporting a plan that puts eleven million to as many as forty million new Democrats on the voter registration rolls by 2016.


2 posted on 01/30/2013 10:49:38 AM PST by MeganC (“Free Men Need Not Ask Permission!”)
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To: JohnPDuncan
America keeps breaking down its borders, and if not offshoring jobs, then making it more difficult for American citizens to find work. And people wonder why the country is collapsing right before their eyes.

Just One of Several Speeches Mentioning New World Order

“... we have before us, the opportunity to forge, for ourselves and future generations, a new world order ... when we are successful, *and we will be*, we have a real chance at this new world order ... a credible United Nations ... to fulfill the promise and vision of the UN's founders”
3 posted on 01/30/2013 10:50:01 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: JohnPDuncan

If these fools actually granted amenity to these crooks, HOW THE HELL WILL THEY KNOW WHO WAS HERE WHEN THEY DID IT????

What is to stop 14 million people from flooding into the U.S. over the next 6 months and saying that they were here all along? If I lived in Turkey, I could just hop a plane and get lost in NYC for a few weeks and BOOM, I get amenity!


4 posted on 01/30/2013 10:53:28 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: JohnPDuncan

Sen Vitter is absolutely right. And what a relief it is to know Rubio and the gang won’t get a completely free ride on this.


5 posted on 01/30/2013 10:54:44 AM PST by skeeter
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To: JohnPDuncan

These people are never going to leave.

Sooner or later, they will be voting and its better they vote for us.

Rubio is right and here we go again tearing each other apart.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 10:55:41 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: ZULU; All

You are right.. I’m afraid your post will fall on deaf ears..


7 posted on 01/30/2013 11:05:51 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: ZULU

The vast majority of Hispanics believe in Big Government and social programs - they are democrats. Polls after polls show that as well as they stating that they won’t change their political beliefs if Republicans pass amnesty. Fools and foolish!!!! Utterly dumb if you grant amnesty


8 posted on 01/30/2013 11:06:06 AM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: JohnPDuncan
"... the promises of enforcement never materialize."

Therein lies the problem with LYING Democrats and stupid Republicans who fall for their mendacity time-after-time, like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football that Lucy yanks away from him at the last-second.

Frankly I'm sick of both parties, as it seems like there's nothing that can be believed coming out of either.

Get it, GOP? We won't fall for your BS anymore, either. You've had your chance and you blew it.

That stated, I don't hold this against Rubio. I do like a few individual GOP senators and Reps, and believe that they have definable values. Unfortunately, there's not enough of 'em to make a difference. Not yet sure if Rubio is in this group, but I do have some hope for him.

9 posted on 01/30/2013 11:11:54 AM PST by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: Bigtigermike

What were the numbers from 2012? They voted 75% Democrat, or at least some threads here claimed that.

This country will not survive all that has been thrown at it.

Well, it will be third-world.


10 posted on 01/30/2013 11:12:27 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: ZULU
I agree. The GOP should court them hard.

They'll need them to make up lost votes like mine.

11 posted on 01/30/2013 11:12:40 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: ZULU

The dems are willing to raise your taxes to buy their vote and get them voting dem.

How much more would you want your taxes to go up to buy their vote get them to stop voting dem and vote repub?


12 posted on 01/30/2013 11:13:42 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: ZULU
Rubio is right and here we go again tearing each other apart.

I like Rubio and think his intentions are good, but he's wrong here. Hispanics aren't going to like us (conservatives/Republicans) better because we are for a "path to citizenship" for illegals. There is absolutely no evidence to show that agreeing with the Democrats on this issue helps us. Reagan did an amnesty and it didn't help Bush in 88'. McCain was well known for supporting "comprehensive immigration reform" and it didn't help him in 08'.

If we amnesty these illegals it is simply going to add millions of Democrats to the voter rolls. These Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) are natural Democrat voters. Mexico is a socialist craphole and the people there mostly keep voting for the same collectivist parties and politicians. When they become American citizens they retain the same voting patterns.

There is no doubt that conservatives must find a way to reach minority voters with our message, but there is no reason to believe being for amnesty will help us - and lots of reasons to believe we'd be seriously damaging our electoral prospects in the future.

13 posted on 01/30/2013 11:13:42 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: ZULU

The gang of 8 would have us introduce 10-20 million new voters into the electorate from third world countries. Isn’t it more likely they will vote for a Hugo Chavez rather than a Marco Rubio?

Why take a chance? Deport.


14 posted on 01/30/2013 11:14:16 AM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: ZULU

The gang of 8 would have us introduce 10-20 million new voters into the electorate from third world countries. Isn’t it more likely they will vote for a Hugo Chavez rather than a Marco Rubio?

Why take a chance? Deport.


15 posted on 01/30/2013 11:14:48 AM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: Trailerpark Badass; All

I’m sure they won’t miss cranks like you..


16 posted on 01/30/2013 11:15:08 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: JohnPDuncan
RE :”The amnesty happens immediately — the millisecond the bill is signed into law, and the same is true here. No, they won’t be citizens immediately. They will be legal.”
“Citizenship is guaranteed at that point as a practical matter,” he added.”

Some sort of amnesty is in order for those who grew up here as Children (and graduated from HS here) because demonizing them is a sure loser, and not even morally justified.

But giving them the vote is another matter.

17 posted on 01/30/2013 11:15:16 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

Rubio is not Naive, nor are the other 3 traitors.

They know it won’t work to stop further illegal immigration.

They just plain do not give a damn.

The playing innocent ploy only fools the fools.


18 posted on 01/30/2013 11:15:27 AM PST by Venturer
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To: KevinDavis

it’s falling on deaf ears because millions were given amnesty in 86 by President Reagan but they dont vote GOP, these immigrants are low income and want free stuff from Democrats That’s a fact... maybe 30-40% will vote GOP


19 posted on 01/30/2013 11:26:12 AM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: ZULU

go spend a week at the WIC office in El Paso, and come back and tell me that you’re ever going to get “these people” to vote for “us” ...that’s a fantasy


20 posted on 01/30/2013 11:28:42 AM PST by thestob
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To: ZULU
If we give them amnesty and a pathway to Canadian citizenship, they will go away ~ because Canadian medical care is cheaper than ObamaKKKare.

You won't find Americans reluctant to do that.

21 posted on 01/30/2013 11:29:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mr. Peabody; All

I hate to brake this to you, but we don’t have the manpower or the resources to deport.. What if we deported the wrong people??


22 posted on 01/30/2013 11:29:45 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ? What makes it necessary for US to subjugate our sovereignty because of available cheap labor ?

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .


23 posted on 01/30/2013 11:32:17 AM PST by mosesdapoet (.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)
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To: sickoflibs
No, it is not morally wrong to ship family units BACK HOME!

The illegal alien chillun' have illegal alien mothers, fathers, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents.

It is morally WRONG to put any illegal in line ahead of any legal immigrant or an American citizen!

24 posted on 01/30/2013 11:33:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
RE :”It is morally WRONG to put any illegal in line ahead of any legal immigrant or an American citizen! “

How dare those 6 yro kids NOT fight their parents who brought them here! Who cares if they grew up here and went to school here as minors? They are GUILTY OF BEING ILLEGAL!

Criminals! Death penalty! make there wear a gold star

Good luck with that!

25 posted on 01/30/2013 11:44:55 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: KevinDavis
I hate to brake this to you, but we don’t have the manpower or the resources to deport.. What if we deported the wrong people??

I fully expect some to surrender this issue, its difficult to stay the course.

The quislings in the party and their new friends in the Democrat party may succeed in administering the final bullet to the head of this country as founded but personally I will never, ever sanction their cowardice.

26 posted on 01/30/2013 11:45:16 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Longbow1969

I don’t like Rubio and his intentions are not good in my opinion. He is just the lastest pretty face with a sweet-talking Globalist NWO line of BS. Do not be sucked in. Where’s the integrity? Words count. Actions count more. This will not preserve America - The Repubs are selling us down the rathole right along with the Statists on the Left.


27 posted on 01/30/2013 11:50:11 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: JohnPDuncan
If I'm not mistaken good Sen. David Vitter (R) of Louisiana voted along with little Rat senator Mary *New Orleans whore* Landreau (D) to confirm traitor John Kerry Secretary of State.
How much weight does his words carry?
28 posted on 01/30/2013 11:51:21 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Sioux-san

Nailed it


29 posted on 01/30/2013 11:51:34 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: sickoflibs
You are arguing on behalf of separating young children from their parents!

It would appear you haven't thought this through well at all!

30 posted on 01/30/2013 11:51:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: KevinDavis

That’s fine. Deport a few every year, cut off a few more jobs and benefits every year. It doesn’t have to be done instantly.


31 posted on 01/30/2013 11:52:09 AM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: Longbow1969
I like Rubio and think his intentions are good, but he's wrong here. Hispanics aren't going to like us (conservatives/Republicans) better because we are for a "path to citizenship" for illegals. There is absolutely no evidence to show that agreeing with the Democrats on this issue helps us. Reagan did an amnesty and it didn't help Bush in 88'. McCain was well known for supporting "comprehensive immigration reform" and it didn't help him in 08'.

If we amnesty these illegals it is simply going to add millions of Democrats to the voter rolls. These Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) are natural Democrat voters. Mexico is a socialist craphole and the people there mostly keep voting for the same collectivist parties and politicians. When they become American citizens they retain the same voting patterns.

I agree with most of your insightful post. I disagree with your thinking Rubio's intentions are "good." Rubio knows exactly how the RATS operate and what the result of Amnesty will be. Rubio cannot be that naive. I think what Rubio is doing is devious and ultimately highly destructive. He may naively think that somehow he can convince the newly "minted" RAT voters to vote for him because he can say, "Hey, I am hispanic too."

That will never happen. The mindset of the illegals that are here will guarantee the RATS that at least 80% of these illegals will forever vote for the RAT party.

The culture of most of the illegals is to view the State as a positive source of goods and services. They do not have a culture of respecting individual rights and the rule of law, much less the belief in limited government.

Rubio will be just as guilty as the evil left if they succeed in driving amnesty forward.

Vitter is right on the money.

32 posted on 01/30/2013 11:53:44 AM PST by sand88
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To: Mr. Peabody; All

So you don’t care if we deport the wrong people? Just as long we deport them back right??


33 posted on 01/30/2013 11:57:16 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: JohnPDuncan; mickie; flaglady47; seenenuf; seekthetruth; surfer; ExTexasRedhead; Bushbacker1; ...
Good for David Vitter for telling it like it is. Super Marco's plan is the same old, same old, dressed up in Obama-type oratory, designed to soothe, appease, trust, re-assure and.....freeze us up from action.

The senator is grasping the moment, making all the supposedly-"right" moves to grease the way to a future presidential run....and for a newbie, one must admit, he's slick as a busy Florida highway during turtle migration.

In the welter of empty verbiage, show me ONE single sentence from Rubio in which he promises a fight of epic proportions against an amnesty-dump of horrific proportions and consequences to the economy and culture of this nation.......flash-banged on us immediately after we're hypnotized by fake promises of closing and protecting the borders, promises routinely torn apart by perfidious leftist Dems.

Shakespeare (through MacBeth) had it right false players on this issue appearing on the acting boards of real life....."...a poor player who frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more; a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

Leni

34 posted on 01/30/2013 11:59:17 AM PST by MinuteGal (Send a penny NOW to CNN, 1 Time-Warner Center, NY,NY 10019 for "PENNIES FOR LEAVING!" (Piers Morgan))
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To: JohnPDuncan

“I love and respect Marco. I think he’s just amazingly naïve on this issue,” Vitter said.”

No Marco is amazingly ambitious and he is looking for a grand accomplishment to launch his 2016 presidential aspirations.


35 posted on 01/30/2013 12:00:42 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: JohnPDuncan

The conservative who once dallied with a hooker makes more sense than the Hispano Racist who is under the thumb of Obama and the Mexican Drug Cartels

Just wonder how many Rubio Supporter Libs are going to attack Vitter to defend Rubio-Obama Amnesty?

Good that Vitter spoke up. Rubio-Obama Amnesty needs to be stopped


36 posted on 01/30/2013 12:16:01 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: The Cajun

How much weight does his words carry?

************

Enough to get elected in the bayou country....


37 posted on 01/30/2013 12:16:18 PM PST by deport
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To: sand88; All

Then I guess you think that Reagan is evil then..


38 posted on 01/30/2013 12:16:48 PM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: ZULU

No, they are not going to vote “for us” unless “us” is a Democrat. They are going to vote for free stuff and Democrats like they have been reliably doing for decades.

Defeat may be inevitably, but I want to gut every ‘Pubbie who chooses to do the wrong thing because it is easier or inevitable.


39 posted on 01/30/2013 12:18:40 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: deport
Enough to get elected in the bayou country....

Yup, I voted for him and I now have to admit I voted for a man who voted to confirm John Kerry Secretary of State.
He does talk the conservative talk, but he didn't walk the walk.
As far as I'm concerned we need to get rid of him and Rat Mary Landreau now.
We are out of time to forgive false conservatives, they're no better than Rats when when it comes to crucial votes.

40 posted on 01/30/2013 12:24:17 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: ZULU

You would rather pay Illegal Aliens to stay? With whose money? Mexico’s?

You really that naive to think all those Illegal Aliens will vote GOP? There are not enough Hispanic voters...legal or illegal...that will replace the American Conservative voters the GOP will lose with pushing Rubio-Obama Amnesty


41 posted on 01/30/2013 12:24:33 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: The Cajun

So did 94 other senators, cabinet nominations are not important. The president will pick whoever he wants, if it not Kerry someone else. Legislation is what counts.


42 posted on 01/30/2013 12:25:03 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
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To: thestob
go spend a week at the WIC office in El Paso, and come back and tell me that you’re ever going to get “these people” to vote for “us” ...that’s a fantasy

Or ANY WIC office, anywhere in the country. They're on the dole. Giving them amnesty will NOT get them off of gov't cheese/Dim voting.

43 posted on 01/30/2013 12:28:03 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: JohnPDuncan
cabinet nominations are not important.

Tell that to the four dead guys in Benghazi.

44 posted on 01/30/2013 12:30:19 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: KevinDavis
Then I guess you think that Reagan is evil then..

What an laughable and insulting comment. What you are you? An immature college kid, a spy form the DUmp?

The magnitude of what we are dealing with is orders greater than the 86 Amnesty. Reagan was tricked by the deceitful left.

If this passes, then we will witness the unstoppable change of our Republic from what was a Constitutional Republic into a decaying Socialist democracy.

Only a leftist or a naive fool would try to compare anything in this Amnesty package to what happened in 86.

Anyone who supports this evil plan is supporting a permanent RAT majority.

45 posted on 01/30/2013 12:31:17 PM PST by sand88
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To: MeganC

Not I....I still wish they would all get the hell out of this country and take 0bama with them.


46 posted on 01/30/2013 12:33:44 PM PST by 1217Chic
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To: The Cajun

Yep they seem to vote for their own as witnessed by the 97-3 vote for Kerry.


47 posted on 01/30/2013 12:35:10 PM PST by deport
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To: KevinDavis

Big difference between Reagan’s amnesty and Rubio-Obama Amnesty....we did not have a previous Illegal Alien Amnesty to use as a precedent in 1986. We know now that Illegal Alien Amnesty does not work...yet Rubio-Obama and the Gang of 8 still are going to push another failed Illegal Alien Amnesty bill

Only a fool or a liberal dares to compare a statist liberal like Rubio with Reagan


48 posted on 01/30/2013 12:36:28 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: KevinDavis
With all the Hispanic votes they're gonna get, I'm sure they won't.

People jealous of their culture, natural rights, and national sanity do seem to be viewed as cranks by the GOP.

You must fit in, though.

49 posted on 01/30/2013 12:40:48 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: The Cajun; JohnPDuncan
Oh, fer cryin' out loud.....pick your battles.

Leni

50 posted on 01/30/2013 12:41:35 PM PST by MinuteGal (Send a penny NOW to CNN, 1 Time-Warner Center, NY,NY 10019 for "PENNIES FOR LEAVING!" (Piers Morgan))
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