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Strict Gun Laws in Chicago Canít Stem Fatal Shots
New York Times ^ | January 29, 2013 | MONICA DAVEY

Posted on 01/30/2013 6:27:17 AM PST by Second Amendment First

CHICAGO — Not a single gun shop can be found in this city because they are outlawed. Handguns were banned in Chicago for decades, too, until 2010, when the United States Supreme Court ruled that was going too far, leading city leaders to settle for restrictions some describe as the closest they could get legally to a ban without a ban. Despite a continuing legal fight, Illinois remains the only state in the nation with no provision to let private citizens carry guns in public.

And yet Chicago, a city with no civilian gun ranges and bans on both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, finds itself laboring to stem a flood of gun violence that contributed to more than 500 homicides last year and at least 40 killings already in 2013, including a fatal shooting of a 15-year-old girl on Tuesday.

To gun rights advocates, the city provides stark evidence that even some of the toughest restrictions fail to make places safer. “The gun laws in Chicago only restrict the law-abiding citizens and they’ve essentially made the citizens prey,” said Richard A. Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. To gun control proponents, the struggles here underscore the opposite — a need for strict, uniform national gun laws to eliminate the current patchwork of state and local rules that allow guns to flow into this city from outside.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/30/2013 6:27:35 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

I guess the next step will be confiscation of all firearms.


2 posted on 01/30/2013 6:30:31 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Second Amendment First

When there are no more legal gun owners to blame, ridicule and punish they might get around to making it tougher for the actual criminals.


3 posted on 01/30/2013 6:33:05 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Huskrrrr
I guess the next step will be confiscation of all firearms.

Yeah . . . I'll bet the bad guys will be real pi$$ed when they are forced to turn in all their guns and ammo. 'Cuz, ya' know, that's what'll happen.

4 posted on 01/30/2013 6:33:29 AM PST by laweeks
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5 posted on 01/30/2013 6:33:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Second Amendment First

Baraq and Rhambo need to deputize the Million Moms for Gun Control and send them in to disarm the Chicago ghetto next summer.

Then they can move on to Detroit.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 6:34:15 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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7 posted on 01/30/2013 6:35:25 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Second Amendment First

So rather than change their local laws to allow citizens to carry, they want the entire nation to do it their way in complete violation of the Constitution. What a bunch of selfish, self-righteous, un-American, moronic assholes. They reap what they sew, no one should feel sorry for them.


8 posted on 01/30/2013 6:40:28 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Second Amendment First
If you hold your nose and take an anti-emetic to read the rest of the editorial, you'll see it's a simple rehash of the tired old "our strict gun lwaws don't work because other people have less strict gun laws.' bullsh!t. In other words if someting doesn't work, you should do MORE of it because if you do more of what doesn't work all of a sudden it will work. Naturally this makes no sense to anyone except a liberal. I may have quit reading before I saw, but I don't think any mention was made of the MUCH LOWER crime rates in those jurisdictions that don't have tyrannical gun control laws.

Anti-gunners are believers. gun control is an article of faith with them, not a rationally derived conclusion. and to slightly misquote Stuart Chase, "For the true believer, not proof is necessary, and no disproof possible."

9 posted on 01/30/2013 6:48:39 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Second Amendment First

New tag line


10 posted on 01/30/2013 6:51:18 AM PST by 11th_VA (JURY NULLIFICATION FOR UNCONSTITUTIONAL GUN LAWS !!!)
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To: Second Amendment First
The almost universal call from many RINOs, Dimocrats, media pundits, and lesser pols have called for more thorough background checks. This seems to be the one "feel good" legislation which will be enacted. For all this ranting about background checks, not one pundit or pol has offered any logical reason how such thorough background checks will stem the flow of violence. Gang memebers do not get their guns thorough FFL dealers. How many of the 500+ killings were done last year by individuals who acquired their firearms after going through a background check?

*Crickets*

11 posted on 01/30/2013 6:53:13 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation.)
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To: Second Amendment First

It should be obvious even to the educated and literate, if utterly misguided, dyed-in-the-wool liberal ideologues who staff and run the New York Times that if you disarm the law-abiding, you render them helpless against those who disparage all rule of law, who invariably arm themselves with all the latest hardware, and who prey on the disarmed.

It’s not rocket science.

Yet even this level of elementary cogitation is beyond the blinkered morons who write for the Times.

Certainly the criminals have discovered this very elementary fact, and are taking advantage of it on a daily basis to shear the Chicago sheep and murder wherever they please.


12 posted on 01/30/2013 6:53:42 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Second Amendment First

Anti gun clergy marched in Lansing Michigan yesterday.

I wanted to suggest that maybe the problem is with the flock or just maybe the problem is with the shepherds who preach social justice and social envy.


13 posted on 01/30/2013 7:00:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jack Hammer
It should be obvious even to the educated and literate, if utterly misguided, dyed-in-the-wool liberal ideologues who staff and run the New York Times that if you disarm the law-abiding, you render them helpless against those who disparage all rule of law, who invariably arm themselves with all the latest hardware, and who prey on the disarmed.

Of course they know, that's the point. A cowed population is a controllable population, one that's easy pickings for a government which disparages all rule of law and is armed with the latest hardware.

14 posted on 01/30/2013 7:18:41 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Second Amendment First

Interesting how the article doesn’t even bother to touch on the gangs, gang-bangers and the arrest and prosecution of them. Any bets the bleeding liberals in these red counties slap ‘em on the hand and sentence them to midnight basketball?


15 posted on 01/30/2013 7:31:31 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: Second Amendment First
To gun control proponents, the struggles here underscore the opposite — a need for strict, uniform national gun laws to eliminate the current patchwork of state and local rules that allow guns to flow into this city from outside.

And the same exact people back open border policies.

A national ban will create a thriving market for arming the urban youths with cheaply made zip guns that may or may not blow up in their hands. Good enough to kill each other, but not suitable for taking the countryside (where the non-compliant will still be better armed). The better funded gangs will just bring real assault weapons (and RPGs, grenades, etc.) across the border with their drug shipments.

16 posted on 01/30/2013 7:35:46 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Breaking today, St. Louis, Mo had 14 murders in January 2013. This out paces Chicago. The reason is a gang war between two feuding gangs. One of the Gangs is called the Obama Boyz.

A fact we do not want to talk about is most of the people murdered in the USA with hand guns are people involved with criminal activity. The idea controlling guns for law abiding citizens is an insult to the citizens of this country.

17 posted on 01/30/2013 7:55:10 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: TexasRedeye
The almost universal call from many RINOs, Dimocrats, media pundits, and lesser pols have called for more thorough background checks. This seems to be the one "feel good" legislation which will be enacted.

God forbid. This is my one nightmare out of this latest Jihad. Total background checks are the liberals' wet dream. Once that is in place, all we need is for the government to declare a "National Emergency" (real or bogus) and shut down the computers for "the public safety". Ergo, NO ONE can legally get a gun.

All too often, especially on gun show weekends, their computers "have a glitch" or go down "for maintenance" and block sales by dealers. Sure, they are supposed to be sold without a check after a few days but that is bad news when you need a gun NOW. I remember during the Los Angeles riots when firearms sales were banned and those naive people who thought the police would protect them were hung out and left to dry.

18 posted on 01/30/2013 8:59:51 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Second Amendment First
So far, the solution advanced by Mayor Rahm Emanuel has been [paraphrased]: “Please stop killing kids and take the shooting to alleys and side streets to avoid collateral damage.” What a plan, Rahm!

His other plan [along with Gov. Quinn and the Chicago Donkey Mafia] is to totally disarm all the innocent, law-abiding gun owners of the state. Yeah, Rahm, it's worked so well for you in Chicago that it needs to go statewide — NOT.

19 posted on 01/30/2013 9:08:35 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Second Amendment First

Should have bought stock in Chuck’s Gun Shop.


20 posted on 01/30/2013 9:55:04 AM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: Second Amendment First

If concealed Carry is sooooo evil for us common people, why is it legal for Chicago Aldermen?


21 posted on 01/30/2013 11:16:09 AM PST by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: 11th Commandment
Breaking today, St. Louis, Mo had 14 murders in January 2013. This out paces Chicago.

Since when does "14" outpace "40"?

22 posted on 01/30/2013 1:28:40 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Bttt.


23 posted on 01/30/2013 3:52:59 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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This is the 15 year old who was killed. Didn’t see this posted.

http://news.yahoo.com/teen-performer-inaugural-events-fatally-shot-135859960.html


24 posted on 01/30/2013 8:19:28 PM PST by Terry Mross (Who long before America is no more?)
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To: Second Amendment First

Unbelievable the NYT would actually print this.


25 posted on 01/30/2013 8:39:27 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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