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Scouts Consider Breaking Camp with Tradition
Family Research Council ^ | January 29, 2013 | Family Research Council

Posted on 01/29/2013 3:46:14 PM PST by fwdude

January 29, 2013 - Tuesday

For 103 years, the mission of the Boy Scouts has been "to prepare young people to make ethical choices." Unfortunately, the organization's leadership seems less inclined to make those same choices themselves, as rumors swirl that the Board is on the verge of reversing its longtime policy on homosexuality. To most parents, the news that the Scouts were even considering a change is a shock. After all, it was just seven months ago that the same spokesman told reporters that, after a two-year review, a special committee had unanimously recommended keeping the ban. "The vast majority of parents," Deron Smith had explained, "value their right to address issues of same-sex orientation within their family... at the appropriate time and right setting."

Now, suddenly, after decades of withstanding pressure, lost sponsors, and evictions, the Boy Scouts are a Board meeting away from destroying a century-old legacy of courage in exchange for weak-kneed compromise that pleases no one. According to the press release yesterday, the BSA would peel away the national prohibition on open homosexuality and pass the political hot potato of "sexual inclusion" to individual troops--most of whom won't have the financial means or the will to beat back the coming onslaught. A new policy would only shift the attention to local councils, who would be under unfathomable stress to fall in line with BSA headquarters. And as homosexual activists well know, it will be a lot easier to pick off one council at a time than to take down the entire Boy Scouts of America.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bsa; gaynaziagenda; homosexualagenda
This is an excellent essay on this troubling development involving the Boy Scouts of America. Every peril for following this road is presented and supported.

The contact info for the Chief Executive is if provided. Please burn up his phone line and email!

1 posted on 01/29/2013 3:46:22 PM PST by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Just considering is enough for me to say “SO LONG!”


2 posted on 01/29/2013 3:48:01 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Yes, just like the profligate denominations “considering” blessing same-sex “marriage.” When you get to that point, the core is rotten.


3 posted on 01/29/2013 3:51:07 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I agree 100%


4 posted on 01/29/2013 3:52:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: fwdude

I have had a monthly electronic donation to the Scouts for 30 years. Today it stops.


5 posted on 01/29/2013 3:53:34 PM PST by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: fwdude

Translation: “We are now just a camping club. We have no moral values.”


6 posted on 01/29/2013 3:57:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: fwdude

The BSA will soon announce the introduction of the Cornhole Merit Badge.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 4:01:43 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: fwdude
Well, the Left has been after the Scouts since inception.

They were patient. They finally won through generational infiltration and propagandization.

I hope they're happy.

8 posted on 01/29/2013 4:09:05 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: fwdude

Who would be in favor of continuing scouting. Not me. Time for it to end if it cannot have it’s own reason for existing.


9 posted on 01/29/2013 4:09:22 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: fwdude

Any rules in the natioal level with the BSA could never be enforced as local Cub Scout packs and Boy Scout troops could prevent gays from joining the packs and troops.


10 posted on 01/29/2013 4:12:48 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: fwdude

I have been wondering how long the Scouts would hold out before caving. They are are very dependent on big money, and the big money guys are going with the flow. The same sort who support liberal Republicans.


11 posted on 01/29/2013 4:14:18 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: fwdude
This is not a done deal yet and can be stopped with enough pressure from our side. Along with stopping this nonsense, also call for the immediate resignation of the Ernst & Young CEO Jim Turley and AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson from the BSA board. They are on record of making statements of changing the policy from within after it failed to pass last July.

More info here-
National Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America [Names of members]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2983032/posts

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2983032/replies?c=7

12 posted on 01/29/2013 4:32:02 PM PST by lost in the snow
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I don’t see any option but to shut it all down.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 4:43:46 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: fwdude
Yeah, right. They are going to allow "individual councils" to decide whether to admit gays or not, asserting that those councils who choose not to will be able to keep gays away from their young boys. Except......what happens when boys and leaders from different councils are TOGETHER at the various scout camps for "multi-council" activities??? Guess what, the "non-gay-allowing" councils youths will be in direct contact with "gay allowing" councils.

Guaranteed to destroy the Boy Scouts. Let the queers go off and form their own organization of "Gay Scouts".

14 posted on 01/29/2013 4:52:44 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Excellent point! Nothing is stopping anyone from starting a competing organization that allows gay people to be scoutmasters.

Nothing except the reality of certain failure, that is.


15 posted on 01/29/2013 5:08:01 PM PST by Our man in washington
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To: fwdude

The Boy Scouts will likely have the same experience as the ELCA Lutherans did when they opened their clergy to the openly gay. The gay clergy issue fractured the denomination with many congregations breaking away and others so divided that donations dropped. I expect that many Boy Scout troops will break away to form their own gay free groups and overall participation and donations to scouting will drop.


16 posted on 01/29/2013 5:22:43 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: fwdude

Just sent an email to Chief Exec.


17 posted on 01/29/2013 5:24:05 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: fwdude

NAMBLA will be setting up its own troop.


18 posted on 01/29/2013 5:32:22 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: fwdude

I am a proud mother of an Eagle Scout. I would prefer that the BSA dissolve itself now than to sell itself out to the gods of political correctness. This is dishonoring to my son and other Eagle Scouts who have adhered fully to the scout law. Apparently, the BSA powers that be find it too hard to do that themselves.

This development breaks my heart.


19 posted on 01/29/2013 5:32:54 PM PST by cblue55 (The original point and click interface was a Smith and Wesson.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The councils will not be able to fight the battle. They don't have the financial resources or the collective power of the national organization. It pretty much spells the end of the BSA once they're fractured. Its sad that they lost their will to stand firm.
20 posted on 01/29/2013 5:50:04 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: OKRA2012

Camp outs, jamborees, Order of the Arrow—all involve Scouts from different units who would have different policies. The National policy must be maintained.


21 posted on 01/29/2013 6:10:32 PM PST by qwertyz
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To: fwdude

Just sent my note...

To: Wayne.Brock@Scouting.org
Just Say NO to Homosexual Scouting

If you do what you are contemplating, my decades long electronic monthly donations to the Boy Scouts of America in California will cease. I won’t be alone in that, by any means.

Perhaps the destruction of the BSA is precisely your intent. If so, then well played.

If not, then you need to continue to work to keep the pederasts away from our boys, and back away from this NAMBLA inspired wet dream of your board members.

Frosty regards,
Easy Street


22 posted on 01/29/2013 6:25:41 PM PST by EasySt (Time to build that gulch...)
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To: GeronL

Put your money where your mouth is. It is Friends of Scouting time. Between now and March is when the councils ask for private and corporate donations to the Scouting Program. Please drop A line to the Boy Scouts of America and let them know how you feel. Please consider also calling your local council and let them know as well.
Money Talks.

Add to that, the UNited way must have given them some serious coin as there is a new merit badge that will be on the Eagle Required list called Sustainability.

Wayne Brock (Chief Scout Executive)
8605 Harry Hines Blvd, Dallas, TX 75235
972-580-2004, 972-580-2000
Wayne.Brock@Scouting.org.


23 posted on 01/29/2013 6:50:26 PM PST by krizzy
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To: lost in the snow
This is not a done deal yet...

I agree. Before support is pulled outright, we need to see how this will play out. I find it extremely difficult to grasp that this organization that was stalwart in their policy of no homosexuals in Scouting only 7 months ago could cave so quickly, so this could just be trumped up psyops by the sold-out leftist media to magnify something that isn't what it appears in order to demoralize normal Americans while the iron is hot. Either that, or there is MAJOR extortion going on at high levels.

If it is as it appears and they really have sodomy in mind for willing troops, even if it doesn't pass, they are toast in my eyes. You don't consider the untenable without crucifying your own values.

24 posted on 01/29/2013 6:57:43 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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25 posted on 01/29/2013 7:06:17 PM PST by narses
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26 posted on 01/29/2013 7:06:54 PM PST by narses
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To: lost in the snow

“This is not a done deal yet”

The liberal media sure is working overtime to make it sound so.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16739587-boy-scouts-close-to-ending-ban-on-gay-members-leaders

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/us/boy-scouts-consider-lifting-ban-on-gay-leaders.html


27 posted on 01/29/2013 7:37:23 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: The Great RJ

I was thinking about it and I came up with the same analogy. It’s better than nothing, but it’s still a shame that the word ‘boy scout’ will mean different things, but maybe they won’t even get to keep the term eventually.

If there is a chick fil a type movement it might not happen. But the thing is if there is enough big business money that type of thing might not fly in this case.

Freegards


28 posted on 01/29/2013 8:02:41 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

Decades ago in my Scout troop we all figured the assistant scoutmaster was gay, but at least during my 7 years in scouting he was a fine scoutmaster, kept it in the closet, and never wronged a boy. (He ‘came out’ later.) Still, I don’t think it’s a good idea to encourage putting men into such positions of temptation - look what it has done to the Catholic Church, with priests and altar boys.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 8:10:56 PM PST by Glenmore
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To: Glenmore

The problem isn’t with the gays who will abide by the rules and otherwise be exemplary Scouts....the problem is that inevitably they will start making demands that the Scouts make changes to accomodate them.

That’s the problem with gays, they demand everybody change for them, instead of for them to adapt.


30 posted on 01/29/2013 8:17:51 PM PST by dfwgator
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Pinging both lists, since the Boy Scouts have been standing up for moral principles for decades and helping boys grow up to be good men. Now the evil worm has entered the BSA and as noted, the individual councils will be childs' play for homo activists to take to court and destroy. This is extremely discouraging news. The fight against the homo agenda should have been fought with vigor decades ago, but people who should have known better were silent for too long.

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31 posted on 01/29/2013 8:22:08 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Pinging both lists, since the Boy Scouts have been standing up for moral principles for decades and helping boys grow up to be good men. Now the evil worm has entered the BSA and as noted, the individual councils will be childs' play for homo activists to take to court and destroy. This is extremely discouraging news. The fight against the homo agenda should have been fought with vigor decades ago, but people who should have known better were silent for too long.

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32 posted on 01/29/2013 8:22:38 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Pinging both lists, since the Boy Scouts have been standing up for moral principles for decades and helping boys grow up to be good men. Now the evil worm has entered the BSA and as noted, the individual councils will be childs' play for homo activists to take to court and destroy. This is extremely discouraging news. The fight against the homo agenda should have been fought with vigor decades ago, but people who should have known better were silent for too long.

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33 posted on 01/29/2013 8:23:37 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: fwdude
Letter I just sent:

Dear Mr. Brock,

The Scout Oath:

"On my honor I will do my best

To do my duty to God and my country

and to obey the Scout Law;

To help other people at all times;

To keep myself physically strong,

mentally awake, and morally straight ."

Please tell me whether the Boy Scouts are really considering dropping their core standard and oath to remain "morally straight."

If this standard is dropped, I will unfortunately be compelled to drop my annual donations and other support to the Scouts, and I will actively encourage my Church to drop its many years of support and affiliation as well. In that situation, the good news is that there are still organizations besides the Scouts that will maintain their commitment to traditional values and standards; organizations still worthy of support by myself and by millions of others who have stood by the Boy Scouts throughout our lives.

34 posted on 01/29/2013 8:40:15 PM PST by JustTheTruth
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To: Glenmore

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Yes, it sucks that that you won’t get to help the girls, but it’s not like the parents don’t have a leg to stand on.

Freegards


35 posted on 01/29/2013 8:40:39 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: elkfersupper

I’m sure Jerry Sandusky and the NAMBLA crowd is delirious.


36 posted on 01/29/2013 8:40:39 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: OKRA2012

If this happens there will be a flood of lawsuits against local troops and packs. The National organization may have deep pockets to defend against this but our local troop sure does not. They will pick them off one by one.


37 posted on 01/29/2013 8:43:52 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: fwdude

Who is “they”?

There is some leadership team that is speaking for the Scouts.

Liberals love to infiltrate leadership, lay low, and when they get a ruling majority finally show their true colors.

It’s what they do.


38 posted on 01/29/2013 8:44:40 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: fwdude
It is not the BSA -it is some of the leadership. In my opinion, the best way to eliminate this rot is to eliminate the leftists, the limp wristed and the spineless from the BSA national board.

How can this be accomplished?

39 posted on 01/29/2013 9:03:09 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: GeronL

Me too. No more donations and I’ll burn my merit badges.


40 posted on 01/29/2013 9:07:41 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. Let's start over.)
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To: DBeers
In my opinion, the best way to eliminate this rot is to eliminate the leftists, the limp wristed and the spineless from the BSA national board.

Bingo! The source of the rot must be dealt with. But I don't know how. You'd think - hope - that the majority of the board is for traditional scouting values and wouldn't put up with the leftist members but expel them. But maybe it IS all about the money after all.

The best thing that could happen is for the board to overwhelmingly retain the policy and actually build on it. I'm not a big fan of witch hunts, but this is war - every scout organization in the country which allows and affirms homosexual scouts and leaders should have its charter immediately revoked.

It's way past time for stern organizational discipline.

41 posted on 01/29/2013 9:09:36 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude
Don't Give Up the Ship! At least not yet. Let the counterattack from conservative Scouters advance. We are the majority in BSA. Yes, we will lose, SWAG ~ 70 councils, out of 290. Make them cancel their council charters. We see this everywhere in Christendom in the USA where denominations are fracturing over homosexuality and fighting over church properties. The classic example is the Episcopal Church. They are imploding, closing churches (and cathedrals) and bleeding members. Let them choke on their properties with no members to keep the lights on. We can prevail. Way too much defeatism at this point.

I greatly admire the FRC in its good fight, but it, and many others posting here on FR, have got it wrong. The membership policy change is directed at the chartering institutions, i.e., the churches which own the BSA charter of the packs and troops. It is not about the councils. Yeah, there about 70 renegade councils located in blue districts that want this change. If they can't live without it, close these council offices. The local United Way chapters are the main source of funds in these councils, and they have already turned against BSA.

Remember, 90%+ of a boy's involvement in Scouting is at the unit level. Scouting was always designed to work at the unit level. It can continue but we have to work our way through the shock of betrayal by the chief scout executive and the national executive board.

Burn up the phone/e-mail with your council and national. The executive boards of the conservative councils should be mounting a strategy to counterattack the national executive board. It would be a shame to lose the 4 national high adventure bases in a divorce, but you can be assured if all conservatives leave BSA, they will have to close the high adventure bases. There aren't enough youths in the units chartered to the progressive churches to keep these properties operating.

We must demand the heads of the CSE and the rogue executive board members on pikes!

42 posted on 01/29/2013 9:17:07 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Ben Mugged

I would wait at least until they make their ruling, so that the protest might be clearly understood as a result, and not spun by the evil leftist to support their side.

But i agree If the organization can’t stand for moral prinsables it should fall for it stands for nothing.

If theses groups that have been persecuting the scouts had a real foundation they would form other competing youth groups. But they don’t because they can’t. The people who support them have no moral foundation at all and thus no inclination to have their children learn one.


43 posted on 01/29/2013 9:57:38 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: MacNaughton

The problem is, the barbarians DON’T MIND imploding the institutions they invade. In a way, that’s one of their goals.


44 posted on 01/30/2013 7:19:16 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: MacNaughton

The problem is, the barbarians DON’T MIND imploding the institutions they invade. In a way, that’s one of their goals.


45 posted on 01/30/2013 7:20:23 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

The new BSA will become the Brown-shirted SA to fulfill Obama’s dream of the National Civilian Security Force he so desires!


46 posted on 01/30/2013 3:13:24 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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