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'Our parents pay tax so we're entitled to benefits'Couple living off 17k handouts
Daily Mail ^ | 29 Jan 2013 | Daily Mail

Posted on 01/29/2013 12:29:36 PM PST by Cronos

Edited on 01/29/2013 12:48:15 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

.. Danny Creamer, 21, and Gina Allen, 18, who live in a comfortable two-bedroom flat in Portsmouth with their four month old daughter, Talulah Rose, say they are better off on £17k benefits and argue that unless they are able to find jobs that pay £18,000 a year or more, there's no point in working.

The couple also hit back at those who describe them as scroungers, arguing that because their hard-working parents have paid tax all their lives, they are entitled to claim some of the money back

The pair receive £1,473 per month in benefits or £17,680 per year.

This works out at £340 per week, which includes £140 housing benefit, £60 child tax credit, £20 child benefit and £110 Jobseekers Allowance.

Weekly outgoings include £60 on food, £22.50 on TV, £3.50 on their TV licence plus utility bills, which the pair say they receive no help with.

According to Gina, their 47" flat screen TV is their only luxury, although Danny also admits to smoking roll-up cigarettes which are also paid for by tax payers.


In a statement read out on This Morning, the Department for Work and Pensions said: 'We have to end the absurdity in the welfare system where people are better off claiming benefits than they are in work. ..


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS:
"the welfare system where people are better off claiming benefits than they are in work."
1 posted on 01/29/2013 12:29:39 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Didn’t Japan just reduce welfare benefits by 6.5% in order to discourage the “comfortably poor”?

Hmm.


2 posted on 01/29/2013 12:31:28 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Cronos

Being unemployed should hurt. The same as being stupid. Don’t reward sloth.


3 posted on 01/29/2013 12:38:06 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Cronos

Hey, they might be hard-core Objectivists only slightly misinterpreting Ragnar Danneskjöld’s sense of justice...?

Naah...


4 posted on 01/29/2013 12:39:22 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: BipolarBob

They don’t look like the brightest bulbs in the matchbox... :)


5 posted on 01/29/2013 12:41:27 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Cronos

“Danny Creamer”

That boy would have had it tough with a name like that in my school growing up...


6 posted on 01/29/2013 12:50:19 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Cronos

Having spent time in both countries, it’s hard to believe that a scant seventy years ago these people withstood the Nazi assault.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 1:11:43 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Cronos

Comfortably Poor!


8 posted on 01/29/2013 1:17:40 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Cronos
Read it and weep....

Welfare Pays Better Than Work
9 posted on 01/29/2013 1:23:49 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Cronos

If you listen to people who live off Welfare — not the temporarily unemployed; I’m talking people who make a living off of government payments — it is absolutely shocking. They honestly believe that society owes them a living and that they deserve the Welfare payments. It is why every Western Welfare state is swirling down the toilet. A very large segment of the population believes they have no obligation to support themselves and their kids.


10 posted on 01/29/2013 1:43:28 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Cronos

Now that I’m retired, I’d love to see England, maybe even live there for awhile. I wonder what I could get on the dole?


11 posted on 01/29/2013 1:44:27 PM PST by Kenton (Wounded Warrior Project, a charity worth supporting - Donate today.)
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To: Abathar

Believe me, he’d have had it tough here as well.


12 posted on 01/29/2013 3:30:53 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: Cronos

Say what you will, but these people are NO DIFFERENT from today’s seniors that DEMAND money from my kids to pay for their mis-named WELFARE (i.e., Social Security and Medicare).

My kids had NOTHING to do with your stupid generation spending your retirement money as it came in and I am SICK of people claiming that they have the right to make DEBT SLAVES out of my kids.

So, no difference, when you think about it.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 3:36:10 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

“My kids had NOTHING to do with your stupid generation spending your retirement money as it came in———”

==

Hello from a member of “the stupid generation”.

We have kids and grand kids too—your kids are not the center of the universe.

.


14 posted on 01/29/2013 3:47:20 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears

“We have kids and grand kids too—your kids are not the center of the universe.”

I can’t help the way you raised them, but I suspect that they’re not much different than the kids in Europe, that want their parents ‘out of the way’, at least in the policies that they support (whether or not you know it).

Otherwise you wouldn’t have responded that way.


15 posted on 01/29/2013 4:24:36 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

I was going to tell what you can do to yourself but it seems that your head is already up there.


16 posted on 01/29/2013 4:26:47 PM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: beelzepug

“I was going to tell what you can do to yourself but it seems that your head is already up there.”

...and that’s what REALLY upsets us conservatives, the idea that people WANT TO TAKE, without ANY regard from whom they’re taking from.

It’s amazing, how FDR was able to turn what would otherwise be good conservatives into people no different that the classic welfare recipients that we’ve all gotten to know.

I have to admit, I ADMIRE the man.


17 posted on 01/29/2013 4:46:33 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

All of us are taking from the next generation. I was paying into my parents while they were still here. My boys are paying my SS, my grandkids will be paying theirs. LBJ ensured that when he started putting the money into the general fund in 1965 and using it for everything but the purpose for which it was intended. As for FDR, if he wasn’t a socialist then I’m Daffy Duck.

What I’m not is a welfare recipient!


18 posted on 01/29/2013 6:48:10 PM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: BobL

Are you OK with me getting the amounts I and my employer put in, without any interest?


19 posted on 01/29/2013 6:52:41 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: beelzepug

“What I’m not is a welfare recipient!”

Sorry, but if you are TAKING money from me (and my kids), which you are, then you are no different than those moms in ‘LaHood’.

Again, it is NOT the fault of my kids that your generation was UNABLE to hold on to its savings.


20 posted on 01/29/2013 6:58:07 PM PST by BobL
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To: nascarnation

“Are you OK with me getting the amounts I and my employer put in, without any interest?”

I would be, if you weren’t instead TAKING it from my kids. They money that you and your employer ‘put in’ was spent the day it came in. The money that you want now is from MY KIDS, and I get a bit angry about that.


21 posted on 01/29/2013 6:59:42 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

So you’re suggesting we send you our SS checks?


22 posted on 01/29/2013 7:00:04 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

“So you’re suggesting we send you our SS checks?”

If you’re working, no. I’m saying that you need to find a way to pay for your retirement, rather than have the government POINT A GUN at my kids and demand tribute to you.

So, maybe if you didn’t look out for your retirement, have your kids help out.

If we could do it over again, and your generation wanted to spend tons of money, you should have taxed yourself for that money, rather than cleaning out your so-called (government) retirement accounts. But you didn’t do that - and it is NOT the fault of my kids.


23 posted on 01/29/2013 7:04:12 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

In any ponzi scheme you have to get in early to benifit!!!

Keepp paying sucker!


24 posted on 01/29/2013 7:06:35 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

“In any ponzi scheme you have to get in early to benifit!!! Keepp paying sucker!”

Yea, that seems to be the message on this thread. Unfortunately, my kids are pretty darn MAD about that message, and they are NOT alone.

Things will change...one way or another...as they are in Japan already, where they are sick of the same scam:

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/23/japanese-minister-wants-old-people-to-hurry-up-and-die/


25 posted on 01/29/2013 7:10:35 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Let me ask this one more time....

Are you saying I should not collect Soc Sec?

or

collect and give the money to somebody who is still working?


26 posted on 01/29/2013 7:16:12 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

“Let me ask this one more time....
Are you saying I should not collect Soc Sec?
or
collect and give the money to somebody who is still working?”

I’m saying that the cycle of dependency on future generations needs to be broken. As to your personal case, that’s a moral decision. If you feel entitled to the earnings of my kids, you have the power of the government to extract that money from them. So I guess my family is stuck with that.

Hopefully this ends some day, and it will, probably due to the country going bankrupt over it (and p.s., my kids won’t appreciate that either).


27 posted on 01/29/2013 7:23:50 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

After I collect the quarter mil plus I have in the game, I’ll start examining my conscience. Assuming I live that long...


28 posted on 01/29/2013 7:31:02 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation

“After I collect the quarter mil plus I have in the game, I’ll start examining my conscience. Assuming I live that long...”

Yep...I don’t expect to sway anyone here. But hopefully this system will get fixed at some point.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 7:33:55 PM PST by BobL
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To: beelzepug
All of us are taking from the next generation. I was paying into my parents while they were still here. My boys are paying my SS, my grandkids will be paying theirs. LBJ ensured that when he started putting the money into the general fund in 1965 and using it for everything but the purpose for which it was intended.

And therein lies the problem, doesn't it? The only way to end this scheme is to stop adding people to the system. This would, naturally, create a rapid and cumulative shortfall in revenue that would have to be made up from other taxes, effectively reversing the flow of money that for decades went from Social Security to the general fund.

Unfortunately the only way that could possibly be achieved is by massive cuts to most government programs and eliminating the purely welfare portions of Social Security like SSDI. We would also need a government that actually understood how to grow an economy and thereby grow the tax base. Alas, recent elections have not been encouraging on this front.

30 posted on 01/29/2013 7:42:25 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: BobL

“...you are no different than those moms in ‘LaHood’.”

I give up.


31 posted on 01/30/2013 1:31:16 AM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: BobL

true. the evils of the welfare state are myriad


32 posted on 01/30/2013 1:35:31 AM PST by Cronos
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To: beelzepug; BobL
the problem is that the money is running out. The original plan was for 10 or more workers for each senior. Then this was extended to unemployed, then others, etc. etc.

Also, this was planned for a time when, after retiring at 65, people lived at the most 10 more years.

now, many live for another 30 years

So, the retirement age needs to go up to pay for this

And, of course, there are less kids, hence less payers-in

33 posted on 01/30/2013 1:44:15 AM PST by Cronos
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To: nascarnation; BobL
The problem is that nascar -- what you paid was tax. It's gone. There isn't enough money coming in to pay you back

Government used your money for other things and it's gone

Folks in their 40s to 60s today will be the ones most hit when the welfare state collapses soon.

34 posted on 01/30/2013 1:46:37 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Thanks, that seems to get lost in the discussion.

These people mean well...but the power of the government to distort values is simply too strong. For some people, the government was simply able to break up families - but for others, it took much longer, but eventually the government got to them.

They just keep grinding at societal values, and they always win.


35 posted on 01/30/2013 4:04:00 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Pay me back what I’ve dumped into school taxes the last 15 years and we can talk.


36 posted on 01/30/2013 4:43:00 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

“Pay me back what I’ve dumped into school taxes the last 15 years and we can talk.”

Same here. My kids never spent A SINGLE DAY in public school. But one difference, the schools are not stealing money from my kids (and their future kids), like you guys are with Social Security.

I paid the money into the schools, I had some control over what I paid. If I wanted to pay less, I could have lived in a cheaper house, or one with a bigger garage or basement (they’re not taxed as much). Or I could have voted or run for office. My kids never had those chances with SS, they are simply stuck paying tribute to you guys, likely for their entire working lives.


37 posted on 01/30/2013 4:52:54 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

First off asshole, I’m not retired. I work every day, have my entire life, and now pay DOUBLE Since I’m self employed. No one ever gave me a chance not to pay. Oh I could have not worked or left the country. But since I’ve been forced to pay I have this quant notion that I should get some return. So until the collapse, I guess your precious little snowflakes will get to pony up too. If they don’t like it tell them to sit on welfare or leave for greener pastures. And to prevent further heartburn on your part, don’t have anymore crotch fruit to avoid the reality of life.


38 posted on 01/30/2013 5:31:42 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

What you said! You get it. Some people can’t get it through their thick heads that we have also paid in with no say in the matter, and for half of my working years it was the only game in town, no IRAs, 401s, no other choices. If taking a monthly disbursement from what was supposed to be my SS account makes me a thief, then I guess I have to plead guilty.


39 posted on 01/30/2013 10:55:57 AM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: Kozak

“First off asshole...”

You do realize that you now are no different than the inner city people that you no-doubt complain about. That is what welfare does to people.

I wish you the best, but I do hope you understand that you have NO CREDIBILITY complaining about the takers in “the hood”, as long as you are taking from others.

It took 70 years, but FDR has won...


40 posted on 01/30/2013 3:43:36 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

You are an idiot. Can you not comprehend the basic difference between people paying their entire lives for a promised benefit, and those who pay nothing ? Can’t you get that to compute in your tiny little pin head?


41 posted on 01/30/2013 4:24:21 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

“You are an idiot. Can you not comprehend the basic difference between people paying their entire lives for a promised benefit, and those who pay nothing ? Can’t you get that to compute in your tiny little pin head?”

I do feel sorry for you, and hope you get some help. The idea that, just because you got fleeced, you have the right to fleece your neighbor, is just terrible. But that was the plan, so I’m not surprised.


42 posted on 01/30/2013 4:54:49 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

You might want to seek SSI for your refractory stupidity.


43 posted on 01/31/2013 5:24:53 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

Lots of big words...I hope you’re proud of what you’ve become.


44 posted on 01/31/2013 5:30:20 AM PST by BobL
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To: beelzepug

“and for half of my working years it was the only game in town, no IRAs, 401s, no other choices. If taking a monthly disbursement from what was supposed to be my SS account makes me a thief, then I guess I have to plead guilty.”

There were ALWAYS choices...and there still are. But thanks for admitting what you’re doing to my kids, others tend to not understand it.


45 posted on 01/31/2013 5:33:50 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

Should I drop it to your level?

Go get SSI cause you dumb.

By the way did your parents cash their SS checks?


46 posted on 01/31/2013 5:36:20 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

“By the way did your parents cash their SS checks?”

Yea, and I don’t talk to them anymore for that stunt.


47 posted on 01/31/2013 5:45:59 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL
I think it's more than likely that your parents don't speak to you anymore because they realized they raised a jerk. Maybe you should ask your parents how much they receive in SS. Then you could offer to give them that amount every month in exchange for them not taking SS.

I believe that people should be entitled to receive the exact amount they had taken out of their check. They are not entitled to the amount their employers paid in, nor are they entitled to interest. Once they receive that amount they are no longer entitled to any more. If they are poor, then they must apply for welfare.

I also believe that the age you should be able to start collecting SS should be raised to 70. This does not mean you can't retire, it just means you can't get SS payments until you are 70.

I also think we have to do something about disability. It has become a giant scam.

48 posted on 01/31/2013 6:03:34 AM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: BobL

An idiot and a terrible son.
Or did you offer to support them?


49 posted on 01/31/2013 11:18:14 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Kozak

“An idiot and a terrible son.
Or did you offer to support them?”

They don’t need it, they took care of their own retirement needs...they weren’t DUMB ENOUGH to believe it when the government promised to make debt slaves out of their children and grandchildren to finance their excesses. So they lived (and still live) a very modest life.

Of course I would support them. I’ve got the resources too, as I’ve always lived well under my means too. It rubbed off. I just get upset because they’re FDR children and FDR said that Democrats were “good”, so they vote that way, even in their own age.


50 posted on 01/31/2013 4:34:08 PM PST by BobL
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