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Cops hunt for gun lost by Plymouth captain in courthouse bathroom
The Boston Herald ^ | 29 Jan 2013 | Laurel Sweet

Posted on 01/29/2013 7:53:40 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost

Plymouth, state and Wareham police are continuing their search this morning for a veteran cop’s loaded service revolver that went missing from a courthouse bathroom yesterday after Plymouth Police Capt. John Rogers Jr. inadvertently left it behind during a rest stop.

Plymouth Police Chief Michael Botieri said the investigation includes a review of defendants who had cases before Wareham District Court yesterday, where Rogers, a 26-year veteran and head of his department’s operations division, went to testify.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
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HO BOY!
1 posted on 01/29/2013 7:53:44 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

what an idiot. I remember one of the girls coming out of the latrine and another captain looking at her and saying “Did you forget something?” She said “Scuse me?” in a snotty way then panic came over her face and she turned and ran back in to get he M16 she left leaning on the wall.


2 posted on 01/29/2013 7:59:33 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Can I put my bullet in now, Andy?

3 posted on 01/29/2013 8:00:09 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

In the year 2078, when all cops carry Death Rays and Phasers will the media STILL refer to them as “service revolvers”?


4 posted on 01/29/2013 8:00:59 AM PST by 762X51
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Damn guns .... if they’re not committing murder they’re running away.


5 posted on 01/29/2013 8:02:12 AM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: yldstrk

They bust people in the Army for losing their weapons. It’s a good thing that cops don’t have to worry about that.


6 posted on 01/29/2013 8:04:07 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Boston Blackie

THe only time I left my gun behind was in the lock box at the jail sally port. Nothing like getting out on a traffic stop and have an empty holster. Happened once. NEVER in a public bathroom. This is such idiocy. WHen CCW, I put the gun in my pants so I cannot forget it. These are the people who are so much better with guns than mere mortal civilians. Damn. I would say fire him but he is a Captain so he will get a pass. Just the way it is.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 8:06:26 AM PST by midcop402
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

The irony and timing of this incident are exquisite!

The evil NRA must have hypnotized this stalwart keeper of the peace.


8 posted on 01/29/2013 8:08:03 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: midcop402
I would say fire him but he is a Captain so he will get a pass. Just the way it is.

It sounds like he's qualified for a high ranking position in DHS, directly under Big Sis.

9 posted on 01/29/2013 8:12:13 AM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

At least the city’s dogs are a little safer.


10 posted on 01/29/2013 8:15:10 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Clearly, firearms are too dangerous for police to possess, whatever the constitution may say.


11 posted on 01/29/2013 8:20:55 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: jospehm20

“What difference, at this point, does it make?”


12 posted on 01/29/2013 8:29:04 AM PST by Sparky1776
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Disarm all captains nationwide. Clearly, they are not able to practice gun responsibility.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 8:29:34 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Boston Blackie
Damn guns .... if they’re not committing murder they’re running away.

!!!!

Coupe DeVal is apt to name this stalwart of law enforcement the head of public safety or something.

14 posted on 01/29/2013 8:31:26 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Boston Blackie

No one wants to be directly under Big Sis. The weight is too much to bear. Not to mention the aroma.


15 posted on 01/29/2013 8:32:12 AM PST by certrtwngnut (')
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To: Iron Munro
The irony and timing of this incident are exquisite!

I know. This is friggin' awesome.

"Hey, the average Joe doesn't need a gun. The 2nd amendment is outdated. We got cops now; they didn't have them in 1781."

"What about that flat foot who left his roscoe in the shitter?"

" . . . "

16 posted on 01/29/2013 8:34:32 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I wonder what stand Plymouth Police Capt. John Rogers Jr. has on "gun control"?

FMCDH(BITS)

17 posted on 01/29/2013 8:35:55 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

That raises an interesting “what would you do” question. How would a finder identify it as a police weapon, until it was announced to the public that it was missing? Would you run a “found” ad in the paper / on the ‘net, with a request for the owner to form a line on the right and don’t push? If you had it for a day or two before you became aware of its origin, then turned it over to police, would you be in trouble? If you find a weapon and turn it in to the police, you can pretty much bet that you’ll never get it back!


18 posted on 01/29/2013 8:36:32 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Will Obama use an Order Executive to close the Court House Bathroom Loophole and keep guns out of the hands of criminals? </SARC>
19 posted on 01/29/2013 8:36:32 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: midcop402
That's why you put your car keys in the lockbox with the gun. You can leave the jail without your gun. Kinda hard to start your car without keys.

I used to frequent a military facility that required leaving your cell phone at the front desk. I would put my cell phone in my hat and leave it there. The guard asked me why I did that. I answered that I could easily leave my cell phone in the building, but I couldn't walk outside without putting on my cover.

As far as taking a poop goes, you are right. If you have to drop trou to take care of business and that involves taking a gun off your waist, sit down and place the gun in the crotch of your pants. Preferably that will still be in the holster, but it beats leaving it on a shelf. I have a friend that used to be an Air Marshal that said that was the best way to not lose your gun.

20 posted on 01/29/2013 8:37:50 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Is this anything like having your gun go to the bottom in a tragic boating accident?


21 posted on 01/29/2013 8:38:02 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: nothingnew
I wonder what stand Plymouth Police Capt. John Rogers Jr. has on "gun control"?

Dunno, but it's an interesting question. I wonder if Plymouth is a "shall issue" town or a "not on your effing life proletariat, LEOs only" town. The decision is at the sole discretion of the police chief.

22 posted on 01/29/2013 8:44:11 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: driftdiver

Are you joking??? There is a gun out there on the loose, man. All kinds of chaos is bound to ensue.


23 posted on 01/29/2013 8:46:11 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: JimRed

It also raises an interesting question about the consequences to the police officer, should the firearm be used to perpetrate a crime. The officer was negligent, already, all that’s missing is damages.


24 posted on 01/29/2013 8:47:51 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Dropped his pants...and there it was....his big gun !!!!


25 posted on 01/29/2013 8:48:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Here's the Klutzy Commode Commando:

And his official dossier:

Captain John W. Rogers Jr. is a 26 year veteran of the Plymouth Police Department. He joined the Plymouth Police department as an Intermittent Patrolman in May of 1985. In January of 1986 he was appointed a Permanent Patrolman assigned to the Patrol Division.

In February of 1993 he was assigned to the Detective Division handling Criminal Investigations. In 1996 he was then assigned to the Narcotics Unit until promoted to Sergeant in March of 1998. Once promoted to Sergeant, he worked in the Patrol Division as a Shift Commander and Patrol Supervisor.

Also as Sergeant, he was assigned to head the departments Training Division for three years. In June of 2005 he was promoted to Lieutenant and assigned to the Uniform Division as a Shift Commander. In October of 2005 he was assigned as the departments Detective Unit Commander where he supervised 10 Detectives in the general investigations and drug units until being promoted to Captain in December of 2008. Captain Rogers has been assigned to head the Operations Division.

Captain Rogers responsibilities include the Uniform Division, Detective Division, Prosecution Division, School Resource Officers (SRO”s), as well as Internal Affairs.Captain Rogers holds a Bachelors of Science Degree in Criminal Justice from the University of Massachusetts in Boston and a Masters of Science Degree in Criminal Justice from Western New England College. He is also a graduate of the 232nd session of the FBI’s prestigious National Academy in Quantico Virginia as well as the 55th session of the United States Drug Enforcement Administrations Drug Unit Commanders Academy.

Captain Rogers is also on staff as an instructor and Staff Instructor for the Massachusetts Municipal Police Training Committee in Plymouth and has done so since 1996.

26 posted on 01/29/2013 8:48:42 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Sacajaweau
With apologies to the famous bathroom wall poem:

Here I sit
Broken-hearted
Tried to sh*t
But only lost my gun and became a laughingstock the world over . . .

27 posted on 01/29/2013 8:52:49 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: JimRed
That raises an interesting “what would you do” question

Wait for a gun buyback and turn it in then. Only way to ensure it is destroyed and doesn't find it's way back onto the street.

28 posted on 01/29/2013 8:54:39 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Ladies and gents, it gets even better.

A local paper is reporting that the lost gun wasn't the dude's service weapon at all, but an "off duty weapon":

Plymouth police Chief Michael E. Botieri confirmed that Rogers’ gun is missing and that it was taken after he put it down inside the Cranberry Highway courthouse Monday afternoon.

Most area police carry 9 mm semi-automatic pistols such as Glocks, which can hold from 13 to 17 rounds, but Botieri could not say what kind of gun Rogers lost.

Wareham Lt. Kevin Walsh said it was an off-duty weapon, a small handgun, but was not certain of the make. It is not clear how an on-duty weapon differs from an off-duty one, and whether both are issued by the department.

Read more

This story needs to go national.

29 posted on 01/29/2013 8:58:49 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Question to freepers: What would you do if you found a gun?

They tell kids do not touch, tell an adult.
Assuming you *are* an adult, what would you do?
Call the cops?
Secure it yourself and then call the cops (don't want anyone else to get their hands on it)?
Bring it to a police station (and risk accusations of theft and wrath for 'carrying' unlicensed etc.)?
Unload it and turn it in anonymously somehow?
Take it and keep it?

30 posted on 01/29/2013 8:59:26 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: JimRed

No good whatsoever can come from just calling the police station and arranging to bring it in, or even for them to come out and pick it up. I can well imagine that in many jurisdictions they could and would gin up any number of charges on you; “possession of stolen property” is pretty much a given.


31 posted on 01/29/2013 9:01:18 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: BitWielder1

I’d secure it myself, then bring it into the nearest police station. First, however, I’d photograph the hell out of where I found it, and even try to find a witness or two who’d swear up and down that my story was right.


32 posted on 01/29/2013 9:03:51 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: BitWielder1

The big downside to the legal doctrine of finders-keepers in this case is what happens if you eventually do have to use it to protect yourself. The inevitable investigation would illustrate the principle of “compound interest” in a way that even the most math-phobic would immediately and completely understand.


33 posted on 01/29/2013 9:04:52 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

And don’t touch it, pick it up with a cloth or paper towel so your fingerprints don’t get on it, or mess up prints that might already be there. That might be evidence that could put a scumbag in jail.


34 posted on 01/29/2013 9:08:30 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Was it his “duty” weapon?


35 posted on 01/29/2013 9:15:10 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Take the gun, load it with blanks and use it to shoot back at the next helicopter fake-strafing the freeway.

That should collapse the Media wave-function.


36 posted on 01/29/2013 9:18:27 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

It used to be not uncommon for police to carry a “throwaway”, a small firearm with a criminal history or with serial numbers removed, to plant on someone they might shoot by mistake.

Of course, police everywhere have reformed since those bad old days.


37 posted on 01/29/2013 9:18:42 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

apparently it was his “doodie” weapon.


38 posted on 01/29/2013 9:23:36 AM PST by V_TWIN (obama=where there's smoke, there's mirrors)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Firearms get left in rental cars regularly. Usually the owners call back frantically. I heard of one of the car preps trying to pocket one but the owner returned and claimed it. I have a close friend that works for one of the car rental services.


39 posted on 01/29/2013 9:25:28 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: BitWielder1

I would leave it in place, keep others away, and call LEO if at all possible to do it this way; it may not simply be a misplaced firearm but could be evidence in a crime.


40 posted on 01/29/2013 9:27:57 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Dropped his shooter in the sh***er, huh? Bummer.


41 posted on 01/29/2013 9:32:42 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Will he now face prosecution for failing to store the gun properly? Get David Gregory on the story.


42 posted on 01/29/2013 9:34:14 AM PST by DPMD
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To: USNBandit

Kind of like what I do with my car keys. After locking them in my car a couple of times, once at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, I got into the habit of placing my keyring in my teeth, until I close and lock the car door, when I then put the keys in my pocket. I guess it looks funny, but I haven’t locked my keys in the car in years.


43 posted on 01/29/2013 9:36:48 AM PST by fredhead (I'm not losing my hair, it's just retired and relocating further south.)
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To: fredhead

I hold my keys up in front of my face with one hand and then close the door with the other.


44 posted on 01/29/2013 9:38:43 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: JimRed

If I found it, I wouldn’t keep it. Too much trouble if you got caught with it. I’d sell it to a gangbanger instead :)


45 posted on 01/29/2013 9:39:50 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: midcop402
In nearly 20 years as a sworn law enforcement officer I haven't even thought about leaving my sidearm in the bathroom. Do I know those who did... (grimaces)...Yes. Now, My portable radio, that's another story. Fortunately i've had my vehicles base unit to, ahem"jog" my memory and never more than a few minutes. Nothing i've had to document to the chain of command, fortunately.

CC

46 posted on 01/29/2013 9:43:42 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: jiggyboy
“compound interest”

Good analogy. Depending on the history of the gun, of which you know nothing, you could find yourself in various depth of really hot water.
A cop gun - bad. A gun used in a crime and the ballistics to prove it - really bad.
You would basically not be able to use that gun, ever.
If you should ever get into trouble for anything, you don't want them to find it among your possessions.

Best to secure the area and call the cops.

47 posted on 01/29/2013 9:52:39 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

If a private citizen was involved they would be in a screaming rage.


48 posted on 01/29/2013 9:55:53 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: BitWielder1
If you find a random abandoned firearm it might be evidence of a crime.

It is hard to tell whether it is simply misplaced or has been ditched by someone who had a reason to ditch it.

I would not touch it and I would call the police to take custody of it.

I'd feel pretty bad if I had discovered evidence that could put a bad guy away for a long time, but somehow messed things up through my actions or inaction and gave him a free pass.

49 posted on 01/29/2013 10:45:06 AM PST by wideawake
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