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Petition to Establish Civil Guard of gun owners (aka Militia)
http://wh.gov/m6HT ^

Posted on 01/28/2013 4:07:42 PM PST by njslim

Be it resolved that any person legally competent to posess firearms shall, by posessing such arms, be obligated to muster under authority of legally elected officers, to recieve training in firearms laws and firearms qualification and basic militia tactics, and shall have assigned duties during times of national or state emergencies, to include invasion by foreign powers, insurrection or natuiral disasters. Such duties shall include, but not be limited to community policing, assisting in evacuationn and other relief actions and securing of basic infrastructure. Such assigned duties shall take into consideration the physical limitations of the member. Persons found mentally or morally unfit to perform such duties shall be barred from posessing firearms until such disability be removed.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; guncontrol; militia; secondamendment
This is a petition to establish a Civil Guard of gun owners to act as militia force in accord with the US Constitution
1 posted on 01/28/2013 4:07:51 PM PST by njslim
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To: njslim

We already have this. The feds and their state and local accomplices simply refuse to acknowledge it.


2 posted on 01/28/2013 4:12:28 PM PST by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: njslim

There is an Act on record. It is the Dick Act of 1902.


3 posted on 01/28/2013 4:13:09 PM PST by Lumper20 (`)
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To: njslim

Too bad these “petitions” are meaningless under our constitution. Take it up with your congressmen.


4 posted on 01/28/2013 4:13:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
This petition idea was brilliant.

No need to register gun owners, anti-government types etc..they do it themselves by signing the petitions and give the government their IP address to boot...smart...

5 posted on 01/28/2013 4:25:43 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: cripplecreek
Too bad these “petitions” are meaningless under our constitution.

I will never understand this naive and enduring faith in petitions. Except where called for by law, they're nothing more than statistically inaccurate opinion polls.

6 posted on 01/28/2013 4:29:29 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: montanajoe

I’m reminded of the German engineer who ended up doing manual labor building the Autobahn wrote to Hitler to complain that a mistake had been made.

A more famous case is John Rabe who complained to Hitler about the treatment of Chinese in Nanking.


7 posted on 01/28/2013 4:33:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: njslim

Don’t need any such law. The 2nd Amendment already covers it. And the State Legislators have the right to levy a temporary tax to fund any supplies and ammo the State Legislators wish to bestow on volunteers who assemble and form a Militia group. Just like they did in the early days of this great nation.


8 posted on 01/28/2013 4:38:09 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: BfloGuy

I’m glad my state is strengthening laws dealing with legal petitions. Things like better disclosure of who is funding them and who is collecting the names. Sounds like they’re also looking at ways of verifying that the names are people who actually wanted to sign them.


9 posted on 01/28/2013 4:48:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Lots of funding by lottery back in the early days.


10 posted on 01/28/2013 4:50:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: njslim
OK, I'm a tad naive, but this thing..
Appears under a White House logo,
Refers to individual (gun owners')obligations, and
Elected officials' ability to call up the 'militia, and
specifically identifies insurrection;

Just what is the source/intent of the petition??

11 posted on 01/28/2013 4:55:52 PM PST by norton
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To: montanajoe
No need to register gun owners, anti-government types etc..they do it themselves by signing the petitions and give the government their IP address to boot...smart...

They know who I am.

The stated goal of the gun grabbers is to eliminate weapons in a generation. One of the ways they can do this is to force gun owners underground. How will gun ownership values be passed along other than to keep and bear arms in the open?

12 posted on 01/28/2013 4:59:02 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

“How will gun ownership values be passed along other than to keep and bear arms in the open?”

Then I suppose you have no problems with universal registration? a data base of all individuals with CW? registration of all ammo purchases?

You can be as open as you want but I’ll keep my head under the barbed wire..learned a long time ago that’s the best way to survive


13 posted on 01/28/2013 5:14:19 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: cripplecreek
"Lots of funding by lottery back in the early days."

Yep and endowments by the richer citizens of the State. Franklin raised money to buy cannons and powder and shot and contributed a good chunk of change himself to help form the militia in and around Philly and the Ohio Frontier.

14 posted on 01/28/2013 5:26:05 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: montanajoe
Then I suppose you have no problems with universal registration? a data base of all individuals with CW? registration of all ammo purchases?

A bit of a false dichotomy. The CCW permit makes sense in order to require some standard of training. A background check before weapon purchase is reasonable if no records are kept by the government (a solvable technology problem). Gun ownership ought to be ubiquitous and the check should be simple and focused on felonies. Ammo should have no checks or restrictions, In VIrginia it is generally unrestricted (I think it is just restricted to adults)

15 posted on 01/28/2013 5:32:59 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Lumper20
DICK ACT of 1902 . . . CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) The Trump Card Enacted by the Congress Further Asserting the Second Amendment as Untouchable

DICK ACT of 1902 . . . CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) The Trump Card Enacted by the Congress Further Asserting the Second Amendment as Untouchable
16 posted on 01/28/2013 6:01:04 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: njslim
Persons found mentally or morally unfit to perform such duties shall be barred from posessing firearms until such disability be removed.

This opens the door to instant confiscation of all firearms in the country, simply because the government's criteria for mental and moral fitness will be impossible to meet.

Fortunately, this petition is also pointless because Obama does not have power to change the Constitution; and he shouldn't be given an excuse to even try.

17 posted on 01/28/2013 6:09:15 PM PST by Greysard
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To: njslim

Militias are not a federal prerogative. In common law they are formed locally, and are directed by the local Sheriff, as their legal authority, and by an elected leader if they so choose.

Posse Comitatus (the principle, not the Act), means that a Sheriff can designate any (or all) “adult persons of good character” as a member of their posse/militia, and do a Kennesaw, Georgia with them. That is, state that *by law* they are required to own a gun (with no penalty for non-compliance).

This overrides any federal gun turn-in demands, as all adult persons in that county are nominally LEOs.


18 posted on 01/28/2013 6:20:02 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Mad Dawgg; LucyT; Brown Deer
Don’t need any such law. The 2nd Amendment already covers it. And the State Legislators have the right to levy a temporary tax to fund any supplies and ammo the State Legislators wish to bestow on volunteers who assemble and form a Militia group. Just like they did in the early days of this great nation.

That in my view is the answer. Forget the tax; forget the support.

You set up a state statutory authority to issue a militia identification to any able bodied citizen who wants to join.

Members are authorized to buy, sell, hold, possess, use, and practice using, any kind of firepower available to a U S Army unit.

If you are really aggressive, you authorize the supply officer for the state patrol to procure such firepower at cost for any member who wants it.

Next, you adopt a multi state compact for the states which have these authorized units, providing for joint training and other associated officer units.

How you save the country and our Constitutional form of government.

19 posted on 01/28/2013 6:37:03 PM PST by David
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To: cripplecreek

I concur with your assessment. However, my favorite liberal at my coffee shop ranted about how the GOP was stealing the vote of the people, blah blah. I asked him if he enjoyed the number of ballot initiatives last Nov. and he said no. I have learned that no matter what happens, the GOP is stealing, lying, hating.


20 posted on 01/28/2013 7:01:52 PM PST by midcop402
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To: midcop402

Today I decided to fire off a letter to my new Governor (Pence, Indiana) asking him to appoint a retired officer in each county of Indiana to be responsible for a yearly muster of the unorganized militia. (See: Dick Act)


21 posted on 01/28/2013 8:40:35 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: BfloGuy

The petition rights mentioned in the Constitution are completely misconstrued. “To petition the government” meant to sue the government. The framers would not have thought that a list of demands from the citizenry would have had much effect.


22 posted on 01/28/2013 8:43:21 PM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: HMS Surprise

Remonstrance is a comin’


23 posted on 01/28/2013 8:48:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: David; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; KC_Lion; Godzilla; Domestic Church; dragonblustar; ...

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Article, and # 19.

Thanks, David.

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24 posted on 01/28/2013 10:21:19 PM PST by LucyT (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Cheerio
"DICK ACT of 1902 . . . CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) The Trump Card Enacted by the Congress Further Asserting the Second Amendment as Untouchable "

A Congressional Act that can not be repealed by another Congressional Act? A first, I believe.

THE ROOT REFORMS AND THE NATIONAL GUARD

25 posted on 01/28/2013 11:46:08 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: njslim

No such petition is needed. The People can organize into a militia on their own authority.

An example:

http://constitution.org/mil/byl_txbx.htm

The People need no permission from anyone to form militias.


26 posted on 01/30/2013 6:41:40 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: njslim

This is a trap. Just leave your address with the WHite House so they know who to get at should the Shite hit the fan! Not too smart.

No permission is needed to form a militia.

See this:

http://constitution.org/mil/byl_txbx.htm


27 posted on 01/30/2013 6:44:03 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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