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Boy Scouts of America considering dropping its ban on gay members
Fox News ^ | 1/28/2013 | Greg Norman

Posted on 01/28/2013 12:21:34 PM PST by Ron C.

Edited on 01/28/2013 12:27:27 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Neoliberalnot

Thank you for pointing out these FACTS regarding sodomites-sodomy goes hand-in-hand with pedophilia.


201 posted on 01/29/2013 9:37:49 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: mrsmel

Welcome. Make sure you pass it on to other sites. People here are well-informed, others simply believe the holywood promotional of deviance. We need to out the gays for what they really represent.


202 posted on 01/29/2013 9:55:29 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Rca2000
I may have LOST my BEST friend about a week ago—over the “gay issue”.

My youngest daughter scolded me on Facebook this morning for passing judgement on this issue. She apparently believes gays are not evil. I refuse to compromise my values, nor turn away from God's Law. Family gatherings may be thinner in the near future.

203 posted on 01/29/2013 10:07:09 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Ron C.

I can’t think of a more revolting, disgusting, immoral, and dangerous thing than the BSA allowing the 1 or 2 % of the population to run the fine BSA! So now they are considering to allow the Sandusky’s of Perversion to take our boys on camping trips out in the middle of No Where to be propagandized, raped and disecrated! NO WAY! My Eagle Medal w Silver Palm will be returned to the BSA if that ever happens!


204 posted on 01/29/2013 10:11:35 AM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Ron C.

I can’t think of a more revolting, disgusting, immoral, and dangerous thing than the BSA allowing the 1 or 2 % of the population to run the fine BSA! So now they are considering to allow the Sandusky’s of Perversion to take our boys on camping trips out in the middle of No Where to be propagandized, raped and disecrated! NO WAY! My Eagle Medal w Silver Palm will be returned to the BSA if that ever happens!


205 posted on 01/29/2013 10:11:35 AM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Myrddin

Battle hardened Marines make excellent scoutmasters; they turn boys into men without the pain of emotions getting in the way.


206 posted on 01/29/2013 10:32:49 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: True Republican Patriot
Why return something of value you earned when BSA was a respectable institution? Do something useful. Support an alternative that fosters the original principles and directs the boys away from the perversion underway.
207 posted on 01/29/2013 11:09:58 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Persevero

I served before all this turd poking crap but have pals still serving. I know of not one combat unit guy who wants these cross dressers and turd pokers . At an event last weekend I met another soldier who has just got back from Afghanistan and I asked him about this . He told me he and many others are leaving because of this and that right after don’t ask was overturned an officer came into the PX and was wearing a dress. Obviously there were looks laughter and comments along with much disgust . I said how come no one said anything and he replied many want to kick the crap out of him as he was embarrasing the unit in front of other armies there. He said no one could though because they would now end in jail. He also said he knows of no one respecting this officer and moral is really low over there. He and I talked for a long time and also said women in combat roles was wrong and the public now has a false view if the militRy and the military has becalmed a joke under this clown. This crap has got to stop and be overturned and social isues need to be raised and defended because the left have advanced their agenda due to many cowards on our side.


208 posted on 01/29/2013 11:54:11 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SandRat

Very disappointing news. If this policy is adopted, I’ll probably let my older teenaged sons make their own decision on whether or not to drop out. But the youngest has been wanting to join the Boy Scouts... What to do? I’ll have to look for another organization for him to join.


209 posted on 01/29/2013 1:37:14 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: July4
Yesterday on the official Scouting Facebook page, the gays were out in force crowing about this - most claiming to be Eagle Scouts (yeah, right).

I saw several posts about how the BSA needs to be like the Episcopal Church! I suppose that includes plummeting membership and no money except from suing traditionalist dissidents.

Thanks be to God I got my family out of TEC, but I am sad that it looks like I will have no choice but to resign as an assistant scoutmaster and get my son out of Scouting as well. He really wanted to be an Eagle, like I am.

210 posted on 01/29/2013 1:51:18 PM PST by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Rca2000

A friend of my wife was at a party and a woman asked about another woman who became a homosexual to which my wifes friend told everyone that she has no desire to ever see her now and she will not let her daughter ever go near the woman. My wifes friend stood for her beliefs as does my wife though sadly millions do not have her courage and conviction and instead would rather be sheep or cowards. Whilst people remain cowards on our side and not call the media , not send mail , call elected officials and that does not just include our own then the radical communist from the 60’s will win . Also when the he’ll is our side going to get groups like media matters etc and get organized and go after the corrupt media and the left , go on the attack instead of always Reacting to what the lunatics do


211 posted on 01/29/2013 2:05:43 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MacNaughton

I had no idea. The scales have fallen from my eyes.Thanks again.


212 posted on 01/29/2013 2:09:41 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: max americana; little jeremiah
They were probably strong-armed by one of Odumbo’s lackeys. Weeks ago, it was a definite no. It didn’t surprise me that they lasted this long before the ass munchers go in for the kill...

Inside job, just like the churches (United Methodists, ELCA Lutheran Synod, some of the Presbyterians, and the Episcopalians). Someone's been working this from the inside, and someone got dirt on some board members so Barky's boys -- Axelgrease, Kevin Jennings, Rahm -- could get in there and threaten people. MHO.

Reversing the James Dale outcome has been a top priority of the butt pirates ever since 2000.

213 posted on 01/29/2013 2:14:07 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: John S Mosby
177 ... Along with this agenda is the agenda of the media to “make as truth” whether Lord Baden-Powell (the founder of Scouting) was homo or bi-sexual, or at minimum repressed homo (because uh, everybody is according to the toots in the media). Everybody in a distinct minority (one composed of a lifestyle choice and/or a mental disorder— I don’t care what the psychiatrists say, cause they are even more screwed up) is demanding the rest of society accept their behaviour as normal, when it really is not. ...

Also, an Eagle and past council executive board officer. I read B-P's biography 10 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baden_Powell
The Boy-Man: The Life of Lord Baden-Powell, by Tim Jeal, © 1990
Baden-Powell founded the world-wide Scouting movement in the UK during 1907. Tim Jeal's biography of B-P discusses his relationship with his close army friend, Kenneth McLaren.[46]:217–218[47]:48 Jeal concludes that there is no conclusive evidence that this friendship was physical[7]:82. He then examines Baden-Powell's views on women, his appreciation of the male form, his military relationships, and his marriage, indicating that Baden-Powell could have been a repressed homosexual.[7]:103 Jeal's conclusion is shared by some biographers and disputed by others, but not yet examined in any detail by scholars.[48]:6 (The evidence has to be viewed in the context of the times (just like studying the Bible, i.e., Victorian England. It is difficult for modern Americans to appreciate this.)

1. His father was an Anglican minister. He died when B-P was 3 years old. His widowed mother raised him along with 6 siblings. She was a strong woman who was determined that her children would succeed in life.
2. B-P had a very close friendship with Kenneth McLaren in their early army service years. McLaren would later marry and die while relatively young.
3. He had very few, if any, female friends over the course of his life.
4. There is no evidence of him ever having a romantic girl friend.
5. His record of correspondence expressed apathy for the female body.
6. His record of correspondence showed a keen appreciation for the male body.
7. His record of correspondence with the headmaster of his old public school, Charterhouse School, included a request to see, again, a photo album of nude male students.
8. As a child, his sense of dramatics was encouraged which developed into a fondness for acting out skits and plays.
9. He was especially fond of the play/book, “Peter Pan; or, the Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up” which appeared in 1904.
10. He married Olave St Clair Soames in 1912 when he was 55 and she was 23 (5 years after he founded the Scouting movement in the UK.) Her father thought B-P led her own in hopes of marriage. The evidence does not indicate B-P behaved improprely. Her father threatened to publically humiliate B-P if he did not marry his daughter.
11. The evidence suggested that their marriage was not romantically passionate.
12. After siring 3 children with Olave, he arranged separate bedrooms for Olave and him in their home for the rest of his life.
13. An account of an incident which happened in the early years of Scouting in the U.K. was included. B-P was pioneering the start of a long term encampment for boys (i.e., summer camp) and training center for adult volunteers. His friend, William McLaren, purchased the Cranshaw estate in Sewardstonebury, Epping Forest, close to Chingford, London. He went on to donate the property to the Scout Association in 1919. This property became known as Gilwell Park and is still in use today. Anyway, there was an incident in the 1920s at Gilwell Park where an adult Scouter sexually molested a youth Scout during an encampment. This problem has plagued Scouting since its earliest days.

214 posted on 01/29/2013 2:19:03 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: lentulusgracchus

I’ve been slacking on pinging. The stress is making me feel sick to my stomach daily.

This is the crap cherry on ths **** cake.

I’ll ping it out tonight.


215 posted on 01/29/2013 2:38:52 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
I was really disappointed to see this article; I had thought it would be nice if the BSA could enjoy their victory in peace and quiet for the next, oh, 50 years.

But see our FRiend's post above, about the GLBT NGO's running sympathetic liberal executives at the BSA board.

Part of this, as another FRiend suggested, is to horrify and drive off existing BSA financial supporters, further weakening them and "bringing them into [sodomy] camp."

God help our Scouting friends.

216 posted on 01/29/2013 2:49:13 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: MacNaughton
The evidence suggested that their marriage was not romantically passionate.

Oh, for God's sake! He was an Englishman!

Someone is "trying us on" with that one .... lots of English husbands were lecherous but never romantic or "passionate". In fact, George S. Patton, in the late '30's, turned down a plum assignment to the London embassy because he had a teenaged daughter and knew what "a certain type" of English "gentlemen" was like, having served with them in World War I and having heard them talk about the distaff side candidly, among themselves.

No, that one won't wash as evidence for homosexuality. Sorry.

217 posted on 01/29/2013 3:02:48 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Ron C.
Put your money where your mouth is. It is Friends of Scouting time. Between now and March is when the councils ask for private and corporate donations to the Scouting Program. Please drop A line to the Boy Scouts of America and let them know how you feel. Please consider also calling your local council and let them know as well.
Money Talks.

Wayne Brock (Chief Scout Executive)
8605 Harry Hines Blvd,
Dallas, TX 75235
214-902-6700
www.scouting.org

218 posted on 01/29/2013 3:29:04 PM PST by krizzy
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To: SandRat

I am displeased to hear this but hope all involved will do the right thing.


219 posted on 01/29/2013 4:45:32 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: darkangel82

Just sent anemail to the scout Exec.


220 posted on 01/29/2013 5:26:48 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Ron C.

When do they announce the Crossdressing Merit Badge?


221 posted on 01/29/2013 5:28:46 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: Ron C.

Doing this will increase child molestations. Period.


222 posted on 01/29/2013 5:29:09 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: robowombat
The BSA knows that the homosexuals use youth groups to indoctrinate youngsters.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121017-boy-scouts-confidential-files-show-pattern-of-grooming-behavior-in-molesters.ece

the story came out after the release of files last year that related to the investigations of volunteers who were accused of abusing boys.

223 posted on 01/29/2013 9:17:45 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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To: Rca2000

A friend of my wife was at a party and a woman asked about another woman who became a homosexual to which my wifes friend told everyone that she has no desire to ever see her now and she will not let her daughter ever go near the woman. My wifes friend stood for her beliefs as does my wife though sadly millions do not have her courage and conviction and instead would rather be sheep or cowards. Whilst people remain cowards on our side and not call the media , not send mail , call elected officials and that does not just include our own then the radical communist from the 60’s will win . Also when the he’ll is our side going to get groups like media matters etc and get organized and go after the corrupt media and the left , go on the attack instead of always Reacting to what the lunatics do


224 posted on 01/30/2013 4:07:06 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SoldierDad

It does say in Scripture “From such, turn away,” but the American people won’t follow Scipture on much of anything now.


225 posted on 01/30/2013 7:56:05 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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Another article about this disgusting detsruction of an excellent and worthy institution.

A comment I saw elsewhere:

---- went to a meeting tonight. Here's his words, since he doesn't have an account here I figured a 1st person report was better.

I am on the committee of our son's troop. In the wake of yesterday's announcement by BSA we had an unplanned meeting with our district representative. I had half expected a canned speech encouraging us not to jump to conclusions, hang together, etc., but I couldn't have been further from the truth. He essentially said that the local district and council just got wind of this whole thing yesterday when it broke on the news. His opinion was that although the BSA won't officially make a decision until sometime next week, the deal has already been done behind closed doors. (I say this not to discourage anyone from contacting BSA to voice their objections, just to set realistic expectations. I myself intend to call, and would encourage any of you to do so as well.) It seems that since the Supreme Court "victory" that BSA won recently, there have been many corporate sponsors that have decided to discontiue their support either quietly or with public fanfare. The career scouters at BSA headquarters probably saw that their jobs were in danger, and are deciding in favor of income preservation over principle.

Anyway, he seemed to think that it was the beginning of the end of the BSA, and that many units or sponsoring organizations would decide at this point that they no longer wanted to affiliate themselves with the national BSA organization.

226 posted on 01/30/2013 12:09:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Another article about this disgusting detsruction of an excellent and worthy institution.

A comment I saw elsewhere:

---- went to a meeting tonight. Here's his words, since he doesn't have an account here I figured a 1st person report was better.

I am on the committee of our son's troop. In the wake of yesterday's announcement by BSA we had an unplanned meeting with our district representative. I had half expected a canned speech encouraging us not to jump to conclusions, hang together, etc., but I couldn't have been further from the truth. He essentially said that the local district and council just got wind of this whole thing yesterday when it broke on the news. His opinion was that although the BSA won't officially make a decision until sometime next week, the deal has already been done behind closed doors. (I say this not to discourage anyone from contacting BSA to voice their objections, just to set realistic expectations. I myself intend to call, and would encourage any of you to do so as well.) It seems that since the Supreme Court "victory" that BSA won recently, there have been many corporate sponsors that have decided to discontiue their support either quietly or with public fanfare. The career scouters at BSA headquarters probably saw that their jobs were in danger, and are deciding in favor of income preservation over principle.

Anyway, he seemed to think that it was the beginning of the end of the BSA, and that many units or sponsoring organizations would decide at this point that they no longer wanted to affiliate themselves with the national BSA organization.

227 posted on 01/30/2013 12:10:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: manc

I’m hoping that now the leftist revolutionaries are taking their masks off and their demands and acts of abominable treason will become more and more outrageous, that more people will realize that they have nothing to lose by speaking up and acting on their principles.

It’s going to get very bad on all fronts IMHO. Soon. ALready getting much more intense, everyone can feel it and read about it. And experience it.


228 posted on 01/30/2013 3:16:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ron C.

The new BSA will become the Brown-shirted SA to fulfill Obama’s dream of the National Civilian Security Force he so desires!

They already have the correct color shirt with the only thing missing is the proper indoctrination and sodomization!


229 posted on 01/30/2013 3:17:38 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: All

972-580-2330

is the number to call.

homosexual groups have been pushing it for at least 48 hours.

email the number to all your lists, talk shows, church groups, sunday schools, republican clubs, and any other list you can think of.

even post it on facebook.

There are a mere two corporate busybodies on the bsa board that are pushing for homosexual access to minors. (odd yes?)

again the number is:

972-580-2330

972-580-2330


230 posted on 01/30/2013 4:56:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: little jeremiah

Pehaps local chapters need to start making their disaffiliation votes knows now.

That story seems more about damage control and preventing the mass exodus.

BTW the number to call is 972-580-2330


231 posted on 01/30/2013 5:00:00 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MacNaughton

Quite a history, thanks. As reflected in the rest of society, the issue of the safety of young males in the presence of repressed or not repressed homosexuals (who are really also are pedophiles, boys only).

The part in the history of LBP about his interest in seeing the photos of nude male students, recalled to me why these photos were taken in those days. Students had photos made of them for medical evaluation of range of motion of the limbs, to assess spinal alignment (detect scoliosis) and polio development. This was done in males and females, and was part of medical training in orthopedics and pediatrics, and a standard of medical practice. Was done in the US from the 1880’s and recent scandal as to where the photos ended up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League_nude_posture_photos

Does seem odd an interest in the male photos only. From a time period of emphasis on classical education (Greek/Roman classicism) then the human form was glorified (not unlike the nordic/aryan propaganda of the nazis in film and photo) but also provided cover for the prurient.

It has indeed been a problem for scouting, and with girl scouting as well. What is most irritating is the “dumbing down” demanding agenda that this is normal— when it isn’t, even as they try to make some moral equivalence to rabid heterosexuality. Point missed is that both are wrong in childhood development, and the innocent are preyed upon. As a student of history, obviously cultural norms were very different in ancient Greece (and arguably led to the downfall of Greece and the Roman empire). Strange world we have to deal with to raise our children, and the statists are not “moral” at all.


232 posted on 02/03/2013 11:29:34 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Myrddin

You are entirely correct!! That wonderful Medal of Great Honor will go with me to my grave! I will take action to stop this revolting move that the National BSA is considering!


233 posted on 02/05/2013 2:25:57 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: Neoliberalnot

AMEN! Everyone needs to study and digest your post on the perversions of Homosexuals! Now, they are bombarding kids from the youngest ages in public schools about how “COOL” being “GAY IS!”
Our wonderful Society is collapsing! and I am so thankful to have lived before this total degeneration of American Ideals and Culture!


234 posted on 02/05/2013 2:57:55 PM PST by True Republican Patriot (May GOD SAVE OUR AMERICA from ALLAH and his Prophet, HUSSEIN OBAMA!!)
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To: True Republican Patriot

How could such a group of mentally deranged creatures gain such power to dictate to the normal populace?


235 posted on 02/05/2013 3:49:27 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: All

supposedly this issue was on todays agenda for the BOD. So far nothing has been released. The MSM has put out some propaganda trend pieces regarding panetta sodemizing the military and england forcing homosexual fetish based marriages, but nothing from the scouts.

any FR ears on the ground?


236 posted on 02/05/2013 4:10:08 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: John S Mosby
232 ... why these photos were taken in those days ...

This is why FR is so great. Thank you for that ray of illumination. With a handle and tag like yours, you must be a Virginian. Always liked the Virginia state motto. BSA may have dodged a bullet today. The months running up to the next annual National business meeting over May 22-24 at the Gaylord Texan Hotel in Grapevine, TX, should be interesting to say the least.

237 posted on 02/06/2013 1:44:05 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Yep, VA but lived a lot of other places, and worked with Brock when on an Executive Council (community based council of business leaders). Yes the upcoming meeting will be interesting. The real message to BSA needs to be— stop taking the money from corporatists who subscribe to the greater agenda that compromises Boy Scout values as originally envisioned. It is the incoming leaders from these outfits that think they will change the organization to their agenda (one wonders what their predilection is)- they need to be voted OUT, removed, contrary to the charter. Period.

It is a private organization, and should resist the “expansionist” agenda that requires more and more donations with strings. Tell verizon, et al to pound sand, and go private donation only— no united way, nothing like that— accept corporate that has no strings. There are enough legacy Scouts to support this, including Scouts who may have suffered assault. It would mean a smaller leaner organization which true Americans would want their children involved with for ALL the correct reasons, and with the expectation their child would not be compromised.


238 posted on 02/06/2013 4:52:10 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: MacNaughton

Just realized reading over the link, that somewhere in the Smithsonian is a photo of Wellesley freshwoman Hillary Clinton (but I bet not). Would be interesting from the perspective of “what in the hell did bill see in her?” Cause later a manlier woman was her look, and one unfortunate misguided child.

That all is personal, not political, but when trying to figure out why someone is such a failure (despite all dem PR efforts to tell us how great she is)- it could complete the picture. sad really, except it got an ambassador killed (him notably homo, too).


239 posted on 02/06/2013 5:10:30 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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