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Boy Scouts of America considering dropping its ban on gay members
Fox News ^ | 1/28/2013 | Greg Norman

Posted on 01/28/2013 12:21:34 PM PST by Ron C.

Edited on 01/28/2013 12:27:27 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: SandRat; scottteng
140 You are reading too much into this. National is saying that they will bow out of this and leave it to the local councils to decide what they want to do. For 99% of the country this would mean no change to the eligibility requirements for scout leadership. They also specify that charter partners have a say so too can you see LDS or Catholic church agreeing to this? Now a few local councils San Fran and Mass come to mind may chose to allow gay scout leaders. We will see where that road takes them. As conservatives do we not always preach that the level closest to the people should make the local calls. This is BSA national in Texas saying OK you out there in scout land make your own decision. National is about the $ and always has been.

Sorry, you are you missing a major part of the picture. The following denominations will openly embrace homosexuals into their Packs and Troops.

1. UCC - United Church of Christ
2. TEC - The Episcopal Church
3. ELCA - Evangelical Luthern Church of America
4. PCUSA - Presbyterian Church - USA
5. Moravian Church

6. UMC - United Methodist Church. They are approaching a schism over the issue of homosexuality. They are the 2nd largest denomination which charters BSA units.

7. CJC&LDS - Mormons. The LDS Church officially adopted BSA as their male youth program in 1913. They are the 1st largest denomination which charters BSA units. It remains to be seen what impact Bishop Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential candidacy and outright support of homosexuals in BSA will have on the LDS Church. 140

151 posted on 01/28/2013 7:15:29 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Ron C.

I sent my scathing nastygram to National Council 10 minutes after I heard about this. I am a Scoutmaster. I told them point blank, they need us, we don’t need them. I can cancel our charter tomorrow and start a new outdoor oriented organization for boys. I told them that American Heritage Girls would probably start a boys only chapter real quick without all the nonsense.

Morals and standards mean something.


152 posted on 01/28/2013 7:28:45 PM PST by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: Ron C.

Homosexuality and the Boy Scouts go together like a fish and a bicycle. The Boy Scouts organization should refuse to allow any participation by the NAMBLA types which are the ones who are interested in them, or they might as well disband as an organization because they will have lost their worth.


153 posted on 01/28/2013 7:56:30 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Eight years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: Ron C.

They are not “gay.” They suffer from same-sex attraction disorder, a mental and spiritual disorder that manifests as a compulsion to engage in disgusting perversions. They should not be allowed *any* contact of any kind with children or adolescents.

Goodbye, BSA.


154 posted on 01/28/2013 7:59:36 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Myrddin

In the first troop I was in, the scoutmaster was a neighborhood child abuser (a thug). He was also a High School teacher. He tried to suffocate the younger brother of my best friend by shoving a garden hose down his throat and turning on the water.

I was really glad to get out of that troop!

The next troop I joined was fabulous. The scoutmaster was an ex marine who had served in recon in the Phillipines in WW II. We did all kinds of things, like build boats and take them down the Sacramento river from near Shasta dam to Sacramento, and the scoutmaster was the only adult with us (he’d be jailed for that now I guess - child endangerment or some such crap).


155 posted on 01/28/2013 8:04:56 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Ron C.

Troop 388 - Albuquerque NM - ‘65 & ‘66


156 posted on 01/28/2013 8:05:37 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Ron C.

I’m a Cubmaster - they will notice my resignation.


157 posted on 01/28/2013 8:12:05 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: MacNaughton

That’s very informative. What could be other reasons for this turn around? New leadership?


158 posted on 01/28/2013 8:25:35 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: editor-surveyor

New meaning for the Boy Scouts of America with the same letters:

Butthole Surfers of America


159 posted on 01/28/2013 8:31:20 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: cyclotic; Last Dakotan

Clint Jr is an Eagle Scout. I’m Trained, Mrs Suhks Esq. is General Counsel for the local Council.

We are all gone if this happens.


160 posted on 01/28/2013 8:36:41 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (The amount of ammo you need is determined after the gunfight.)
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To: SandRat
RE :”If adopted by the organization’s board of directors, I will quit as an adult volunteer and I will forbid my Grandson from ever Joining.”

I donated a few $$$ for 2012 but they will see nothing in 2013 if they do this.

161 posted on 01/28/2013 8:44:00 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: madameguinot
159 That’s very informative. What could be other reasons for this turn around? New leadership?

Short answer - yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Brock
Wayne Brock is the Chief Scout Executive of the Boy Scouts of America, having assumed the BSA's highest professional position in September 2012. He had previously served as Deputy Chief Scout Executive since October 1, 2009. His predecessor was Robert J. Mazzuca (born 1947) who was the 11th Chief Scout Executive of the Boy Scouts of America. His term started in 2007, and he retired on August 31, 2012.

Speculation among volunteers is that Mazzuca saw the handwriting on the wall and got out while he could.

The other major contributing issue is all of the corporate CEOs serving on the national (volunteer) executive board. If you haven't noticed, diversity/LGBTQ rights has completely penetrated corporate America's human resources departments which results in the re-writing of charitable giving rules against organizations which discriminate for whatever reason.

The national council in Irving, TX, has lots of costs which have to be funded. The local councils don't contribute to those usual expenses, e.g., ...

1. payroll
2. benefits
3. real properties, especially the national high adventure bases
4. program support of printed materials - the real core of BSA

It is quid pro quo, BSA gets $$$ from the corporations and the national board of directors get input into the operations of the BSA.

Two CEOs on the BSA national executive board, James Turly of Ernst & Young and Randall Stephenson of AT&T, pledged to work inside BSA to change its membership policy to include homosexuals. Stephenson is expected to be selected as the BSA national president in 2014. 158

162 posted on 01/28/2013 8:49:58 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Ron C.

Morally straight?


163 posted on 01/28/2013 9:02:26 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Ron C.

You want to piss off 90% of your supporters to placate the 2% of pervs??


164 posted on 01/28/2013 9:09:28 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Ron C.; Revolting cat!

That’s gay.


165 posted on 01/28/2013 9:20:12 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Ron C.

EVERYTHING these liberal social engineering progressives do is designed to break down societal Boy Scout norms of family, faith, country and honor.

Give us your guns, fireworks, cigarettes, and money. We’ll give you gay marriage and 12 million Mexicans.

They could start their own club. Like letting people who want to smoke have their own bar. Instead we get...

If you don’t let gays join your private club we’ll sue.


166 posted on 01/28/2013 9:24:12 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Ron C.

Herein lies the death of the Boy Scouts.


167 posted on 01/28/2013 10:05:09 PM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

Another of the self-inflicted wounds so liked by the American people


168 posted on 01/28/2013 10:07:06 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: SandRat; WakeUpAndVote

I am glad I became an Eagle Scout at a time when it still meant something.


169 posted on 01/28/2013 10:30:31 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Darren McCarty

Pedophiles are people who are too insecure to relate to other adults. There are adult male gay and straight pedophiles, and there are adult gay and straight men who only want an adult male or female sexually.


170 posted on 01/28/2013 10:55:43 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: NKP_Vet

In all reality there will be very few. Most of the scouts are chartered by religious organizations. The Mormons and Catholics are dominant in the charter. Those of TEC would probably allow for pederasts as they are OK with them as priests and bishops.


171 posted on 01/28/2013 10:58:54 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Ron C.

Once the parent delegates morality to the child, the child loses all morality.

If they decide at the top to let local sponsors decide,
then it’s only a matter of time before all units are forced to prove they are being fair to gays.

Scouting will be just as dead as our nation in a matter of months to a few years.


172 posted on 01/28/2013 11:06:19 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

The goal is no doubt to destroy Scouting because the men who were Scouts have been real leaders of the nation.

Acceptance of homsexuals on any Scouting board was a horrible mistake.

And the BSA should never have even tried to cover up any molestation but pressed for prosecution and civil penalties.

Only by firmly and publically showing their determination that Scouting be safe could they have avoided damaging lawsuits. By doing even a little coverup the organization took on itself guilt for the crimes of the perverts.


173 posted on 01/28/2013 11:16:50 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Jim from C-Town
171 In all reality there will be very few. Most of the scouts are chartered by religious organizations. The Mormons and Catholics are dominant in the charter. Those of TEC would probably allow for pederasts as they are OK with them as priests and bishops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America#Traditional_membership
Top 10 Chartered Organizations associated with the Boy Scouts of America, by Total Youth (2010)

1. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
2. United Methodist Church
3. Catholic Church
4. Parent-teacher groups other than PTAs
5. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
6. Lutheranism (combined ELCA, LC-MS, LC-WS)
7. Groups of Citizens
8. Baptists (combined SBC and independents)
9. Private schools
10. Parent-Teacher Association/Parent Teacher Organization

174 posted on 01/28/2013 11:19:32 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: sickoflibs

I no longer buy Girl Scout cookies because of that organization’s policies and teachings.

It is bad enough my tax money funds so much anti-family,anti-God,anti-American activity;at least I won’t voluntarily support similar activity.


175 posted on 01/28/2013 11:20:51 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: SandRat
It appears this might be to leave the matter up to individual councils in order to deflect the homonazis assault on the national organization. All that will do is place individual councils and troops on the front line.

It might behoove all who care about the organization to examine how directors are selected, and replace the offending members of that board.

For that matter, any who so much as waver should be strongly considered for removal. In this instance, leadership begins at the top as well.

176 posted on 01/28/2013 11:22:47 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SoFloFreeper

That and the United Way. Stopped giving to them period, when the funds could not longer be directed to the local Boy Scout Council, by their own rule (later stated because of “exclusionary practices”— really.
Was a member of Executive Bd. of Directors for a BSA Council, and candidly, we had to deal with furtive fruits several times-one arrested for cruising bathrooms at a rural park.
One wonders what this decision, should it happen, would mean for a Scouting leader who has a sexual molestation background upon checking. Is he now OK to be around young boys? I think not.
The purpose of this push by the homo agenda is to destroy the Boy Scouts, and to destroy the ethics, the knowledge (merit badges) and the comradery of normally developing young males who would and have grown up to be leaders of this nation.
Along with this agenda is the agenda of the media to “make as truth” whether Lord Baden-Powell (the founder of Scouting) was homo or bi-sexual, or at minimum repressed homo (because uh, everybody is according to the toots in the media). Everybody in a distinct minority (one composed of a lifestyle choice and/or a mental disorder— I don’t care what the psychiatrists say, cause they are even more screwed up) is demanding the rest of society accept their behaviour as normal, when it really is not.

This is very troubling news. And one more example of the marxist agenda (family breakup, and destruction of morals or religion based morality).
What will it take- the maomau in WH being caught with a live boy... or a dead girl (less likely)when he isn’t out shooting skeet “all the time” (LOL).


177 posted on 01/28/2013 11:59:29 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Old Sarge

I am not about to pull a john kerry and throw my awards away either. But, this perversion would keep my kids away if there was a leader in their troop that was out.


178 posted on 01/29/2013 3:01:13 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote
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To: WakeUpAndVote

The organization will be committing suicide. Scouts Canada is a shell of its former self. And how did their appeasement of homosexuals affect the boys who were entrusted to their care? Predatory homosexuals used the Scouts as their hunting ground. The leaders did nothing because they feared being accused of “homophobia”. And now the media is shocked, shocked, that boys were abused. They allege the perpetrators are pedophile’s, when the truth is the vast majority are homosexual pederasts following their usual modus operandi. The US Scouting movement is about to sacrifice your kids on the altar of political correctness and will end up just destroying themselves. So tragic. So predictable.

“Boy Scouts covered up years of Canadian’s sexual abuse of boys”

“Rick Turley was 18 when he learned that Scouting offered a unique opportunity to meet boys.

He would show up in a uniform with a sash full of merit badges, charm parents with claims of being a “top” leader and offer to take their preteen boys out for a swim or drive. Then, often after plying them with alcohol, he would fondle or rape them — once going so far as to kidnap a boy in a stolen plane.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1080365—boy-scouts-covered-up-years-of-canadian-s-sexual-abuse-of-boys


179 posted on 01/29/2013 3:36:19 AM PST by littleharbour ("All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree. ~ James Madison)
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To: Ron C.

hopefully this will bring a schism.

The BSA that my son is an assistant scoutmaster of has become a weenie version of the BSA that existed when my oldest boy first joined.

the mothers seem to run the show both at the troop level and at the district level. the safety rules are completely out of control and the kids are coddled and babied.

the whole self assuredness that the kids get from roughing it has gone and I am not surprised to hear that the bone smugglers may soon have a place.


180 posted on 01/29/2013 3:58:53 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
...the mothers seem to run the show both at the troop level and at the district level. the safety rules are completely out of control and the kids are coddled and babied.

This seems to be a problem at so many levels...

181 posted on 01/29/2013 4:02:24 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Ron C.

Will they have a merit badge for “cornholing”?


182 posted on 01/29/2013 4:02:24 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: WakeUpAndVote

So when do the following go into effect for the New and Improved Boy Scouts.

The new pink uniforms

New requirements for only fabulous hairstyles

Merit badges for fashion design, raising children in a gay home, and spending alone time with your Scout Master

I’m just curious...


183 posted on 01/29/2013 4:10:55 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Past Your Eyes

>>What one generation tolerates, the next embraces.

“...because of this, God gave them over...”
Romans 1++

Are we there yet?


184 posted on 01/29/2013 4:30:01 AM PST by TArcher
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To: TArcher
Are we there yet?

Yes...I have believed that for some time...my pastor addressed Romans 1 this past Sunday. We are currently under G-d's judgement, and homosexuality is one of the tools that He is employing.

185 posted on 01/29/2013 4:34:22 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Ron C.

“If they do that the BSA will no longer receive yearly contributions from me!”

It breaks my heart to say that the mere fact that the council is even considering this has halted our contributions to the BSA, effective immediately.

No more spaghetti dinners, etc.

No more cash donations.

No more items donated for fundraisers (garage sales, etc).


186 posted on 01/29/2013 4:43:25 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: who knows what evil?

>>my pastor addressed Romans 1 this past Sunday.

Good for him.

Meanwhile, the last time I sat in an LCMS pew, the wolf in the pulpit was preaching around Romans 1 with the same “made in the image of God” dribble that poisoned the ELCA.

“Fallible and uninspired men have assumed dominion over the faith of others...”
—Thomas Jefferson

Same ol’.


187 posted on 01/29/2013 4:51:25 AM PST by TArcher
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To: Ron C.

This has nothing to do with Boy Scouts, but is something amusing I read. In one of my quilting magazines, there’s an interview with a homosexual quilter. One of his responses: “I had the quilt made for my life partner’s 40th birthday and unfortunately we’re not together anymore...” You’d think the editor would’ve redacted the word “life” if they’re not together anymore. So much for the (alleged) “stability” of gay partnerships.


188 posted on 01/29/2013 5:19:32 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: panaxanax

I agree. We gave up buying girl scout cookies a long time ago and no more boy scout popcorn if this pans out.

Those who stand up for nothing will fall for anything. My husband got his Eagle Scout. My nine year old son will not.

Homosexual men are pedophiles. It’s that simple. The catholic church made the mistake of allowing homosexual men through the seminaries because they were afraid of decreasing numbers of vocations... we all know how well that has worked out. A tragedy for the church and I say this as a practicing catholic.

What parent of a young boy would allow their son to go camping with pedophiles? Sandusky wishes this change had been made earlier for him.

In our culture Evil is disguised as “tolerance” “understanding” and “equality”. The goal is to destroy what is good and to celebrate sin while giving God the middle finger. Wonder how well that will work out?


189 posted on 01/29/2013 6:32:35 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Ron C.

The dominoes are falling..............


190 posted on 01/29/2013 6:50:00 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: crosshairs

“Kowtowing cowards.”

They are being financially squeezed and harassed on many fronts. I don’t agree with this but I think it has to do with survival. \

Naturally a gay scout org is the end of the old order and end of scouting as we have known it.

I suspect that their financial troubles are just beginning, unless FedGov steps in and makes Boy Scouts part of the Obama Youth Corps.


191 posted on 01/29/2013 6:56:18 AM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

I’m sorry, but if I have 2 gallons of water available a day from my well, and suddenly decide to start a farm, I’m not ‘forced’ to buy more water, I’m making a choice.

Same with the executive council: They started after the corporate donations to expand their abilities, and now that they have it, and are spending that money like crazy, they now ‘need’ that money to continue to spend money like crazy.

If these are the strings that come with the money, then the executive council needs to dissolve and go back to just being a volunteer organization. Scouting survived and thrived without a professional organization; the professional organization has been nothing but a detriment to Boy Scouts. There were other ways to accomplish the goals at the time, and they should have been more fully explored rather than turning away from the values of Scouting.

And before anyone imagines that their local council is safe; go take a look around. If there’s a BSA building, check the roster there. If there’s an HR position, then your local council likely depends upon corporate donations to continue to survive. And they will follow National’s path to continue paying salaries and benefits.

To take a quote from the liberals: No means NO! Scouting has already tried letting homosexuals near our children, and surprise, the children were molested.


192 posted on 01/29/2013 7:07:26 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: ryan71
If they do this they’ll be finished, gone in 10 years. The public assumption will be that all boyscouts are gay. That will run all the straight kids away. Gay mission, accomplished.

100% correct. If this is true, I will pull my 15 year old, who is close to his Eagle, and my 11 year old who just started.

193 posted on 01/29/2013 7:11:48 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: kingu

Thanks, I was not aware that they are spending like liberals.


194 posted on 01/29/2013 7:20:43 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Ron C.
oh gee i don't know about this one, how do they even find out about their members?
195 posted on 01/29/2013 7:46:08 AM PST by johnsondavid841
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To: July4

I would not count on the Catholics too much. I may have LOST my BEST friend about a week ago—over the “gay issue”.

Too many catholics (and for that matter—ALL “Christians”), want to keep “one foot in the bible—and one foot(and sometimes more than one foot) in the WORLD!!

As for me—I WILL NOT COMPROMISE MY BELIEFS—FOR ANYONE. I KNOW how DANGEROUS fags can be—I was nearly a “Jessie Dirkising” in January of 1987.....and had to quit a job to PREVENT being one.


196 posted on 01/29/2013 8:41:20 AM PST by Rca2000 ( Still too shocked to have a tagline....)
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To: scottteng
You are reading too much into this. National is saying that they will bow out of this and leave it to the local councils to decide what they want to do. For 99% of the country this would mean no change to the eligibility requirements for scout leadership. They also specify that charter partners have a say so too can you see LDS or Catholic church agreeing to this? Now a few local councils San Fran and Mass come to mind may chose to allow gay scout leaders. We will see where that road takes them. As conservatives do we not always preach that the level closest to the people should make the local calls. This is BSA national in Texas saying OK you out there in scout land make your own decision. National is about the $ and always has been.

No, I think you are trivializing it. It's going to start a shift, and the people pushing this will push harder. Read the comment boards... They are already complaining it's "optional bigotry" and that's not fair. They will push for a national pro-gay stance for all local levels..
197 posted on 01/29/2013 9:03:00 AM PST by xenob
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To: editor-surveyor
My first troop in Springfield, VA had lots of active duty Marine, Army and Navy dads who accompanied the troop on our frequent hiking/camping trip. Good leadership by example. You really have to check out the details of a given troop before turning your sons loose. Some are great. Some are awful.
198 posted on 01/29/2013 9:12:12 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Smokin' Joe

The real problem is large activities like summer camp, camporee’s etc. If a local charter allows homosexuals to inhabit their ranks, that is up to them. We will not support scout summer camps any further.


199 posted on 01/29/2013 9:24:57 AM PST by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: SoldierDad

She doesn’t care about the likelihood, even more likelynnow, that her young sons might be preyed upon by men who will see this action by the Boy Scouts as practically condoning their pedophilia? Because that’s what it does. Sodomites love young boys, and here they’ve just been given a free buffet. They won’t be able to help themselves-they never are. Now they don’t even have to hide their sodomite proclivities. She doesn’t care that her sons will be in a high target area for dodomites seeking prey? Wow.


200 posted on 01/29/2013 9:34:41 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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