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Boy Scouts of America considering dropping its ban on gay members
Fox News ^ | 1/28/2013 | Greg Norman

Posted on 01/28/2013 12:21:34 PM PST by Ron C.

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To: ryan71

Following in the foot steps of Hitlers Youth. Hitler ended up taking over all of Germany’s youth organizations and putting them under government control.

No need for our donations then.


101 posted on 01/28/2013 3:41:40 PM PST by USAF80
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To: surroundedbyblue

TEC perhaps means the Episcopal Church?


102 posted on 01/28/2013 3:49:28 PM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: RightFighter

Exceptionally well written letter to the BSA. I hope the top leadership gets to read this.


103 posted on 01/28/2013 3:49:28 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SandRat

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2982729/posts?page=103#103

My response .... Pray the BSA isn’t this stupid / infested .

Morally straight ....

Stay safe !


104 posted on 01/28/2013 3:51:05 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: CodeToad

>> “ What will they do with 14 year old homosexuals at camp?” <<

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Here’s one from the wayback machine.

I was about 13 at the time. We were at Camp Wolfboro, a BSA camp on the Stanislaus river in the Sierra.

Any normal alolescent boy at that age is very interested in the opposite sex, and when staying at a boys camp, the sight of a pretty girl will gather a crowd of said boys like bees to a blossom. So when most of the boys in the camp began spending as much time as possible at the dispensary it is logical to assume that the presence of Dr. Gray’s teenage daughter was the reason. But there was one boy in our camp platoon that never went near the place, and when we talked about miss Gray at the mess hall or campfire, he would act offended, and call the rest of us sissies for being so interested.

He soon found himself completely alone, and complained to our counsellor that we were shunning him. There was to my knowledge no organized effort to do so; it was just nature in action, but we got a lecture nevertheless.


105 posted on 01/28/2013 3:54:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Solson
.............This will effectively end the Boy Scouts as an organization..........................

Ah, but this may be the operative mission to create the

"Obama Junior SS Cadet Troops,"

With merit badges in jihadism; goat roping; beheading, IED placement; proper veil ettiquite during rape; toilet squats; rock throwing; fire bombing; seventh century living; cave maintenance.

106 posted on 01/28/2013 3:55:51 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Solson
.............This will effectively end the Boy Scouts as an organization..........................

Ah, but this may be the operative mission to create the

"Obama Junior SS Cadet Troops,"

With merit badges in jihadism; goat roping; beheading, IED placement; proper veil ettiquite during rape; toilet squats; rock throwing; fire bombing; seventh century living; cave maintenance.

107 posted on 01/28/2013 3:56:15 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: SandRat
yup, they'll never get another donation from me...
108 posted on 01/28/2013 3:57:46 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SandRat

Thank you for the ping. Most disheartening. No more BSA donations from me.


109 posted on 01/28/2013 4:00:48 PM PST by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Ron C.

They will be removed from my will....more money or the few remaining non-profits with a conscience and a soul.


110 posted on 01/28/2013 4:01:57 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Ron C.

There is a direct link between homosexuality and pederasty. When Gay travel magazines compare over 100 countries for the availability of little boys for sex, that’s a link. When the Gay Platform contains objectives like the repeal of all sodomy and age of consent laws, that’s a link. When even Kinsey stated that 47 percent of the homosexuals he interviewed admitted to deviant sex with underage boys, that’s a link. When more recent research finds that the homosexual rate for child molestation is through the roof compared to heterosexuals, that’s a link. When the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and its’ modern counterpart, B4U-ACT, both petition for the removal of laws and stigma of man-boy sex, that’s a link. When Elton John holds a concert with male dancers, dressed as Boy Scouts, who writhe suggestively on stage, and the crowd goes wild, that’s a link. I think the Readership gets the idea that we’ve seen enough headlines about Scoutmasters, dirty homosexual priests and high school and college (ie Sandusky) coaches have been raping little boys for so long that we have come to the inescapable conclusion that a vast majority of homosexuals have a salivating interest in little boys.


111 posted on 01/28/2013 4:08:41 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: RightFighter

Fantastic letter.


112 posted on 01/28/2013 4:09:36 PM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: surroundedbyblue; Gaffer

I didn’t make it up but I don’t remember where I first hear it.
Mabye I should change my tag line.


113 posted on 01/28/2013 4:11:09 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: SandRat

I find this very disturbing.


114 posted on 01/28/2013 4:15:12 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Ron C.; Chode

Well the BSA was a great organization while it lasted.


115 posted on 01/28/2013 4:17:00 PM PST by Morgana
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To: CodeToad

“What will they do with 14 year old homosexuals at camp? Oh, that’s right, accept that behavior as “normal”.”

Guess now there’s gonna be a merit badge for fudge packing.


116 posted on 01/28/2013 4:22:50 PM PST by Morgana
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To: surroundedbyblue; Bigg Red
36 Pardon my ignorance, but what is “TEC”? Thanks, & us Catholics are happy to have your help.

102 TEC perhaps means the Episcopal Church?

Correct. Changed from ECUSA a few years ago. The other turds in the BSA punchbowl are ...

UCC = United Church of Christ
TEC = The Episcopal Church
ELCA = Evangelical Lutheran Churchof America
PCUSA = Presbyterian Church of the USA

UMC = United Methodist Church. They are brushing up against schism over the issue of acceptance of homosexuality.

Girl Scouts national professsionals went lesbo several years back. Membership continues to decline (just like BSA). Conservative Girl Scouters have broken away to form their own association.

The LDS (Mormons), RCC (Catholics), and SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) are in the last line of defense of Christian orthodoxy regarding teaching of sexual sin, i.e., fornication, adultery, and active homosexuality. While the SBs are not as involved in Scouting, they do have a stake in this fight.

117 posted on 01/28/2013 4:23:10 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Morgana
yeah they had a good run...
118 posted on 01/28/2013 4:25:31 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RaceBannon
In 1972, there was a gay scoutmaster in my home town who molested a kid.

Was in the boy scouts around the time also, similar thing. Scoutmaster was accused, prosecuted and went to jail.

Epilogue: Many years later, I read a book about seasoned cops and their stories. One particular cop who caught pedophiles, likened to Law and Order SVU, made some profound comments on these pervs that changed my way of thinking. First the pedophiles decide at a very young age that they like young people. There, er, feelings, are significant enough that they make career decisions based on their perversions. So they gravitate to where they can be around their young prey and, importantly, in authority. Thus, they gravitate to the obvious positions of priest, preacher, youth minister, teacher, coach and of course, scoutmasters. So, the unsuspecting parents and kids do not realize that the creep they are talking to has spent years (decades) positioning himself as a spider builds a web.

The cop went on to say (paraphrase) these creeps are masters of disguise and deception. For instance, they may be married and have kids. They are very patient. It could take months or years to actually perpatrate their crime on one individual.

And usually...get this...they are very cool, as in hip and with-the-times. The cop said that upon getting arrested, the people who know these clowns are suprised and even deny that the perv could have possibly done these horrible things. "He is just so good with kids". "He would never hurt my boy". "He is such a big brother to my son".

My point is that even today, I am eyeing coaches, teachers, youth pastors who are just too cool. Who have all the latest kid gadgets, xbox, smart phones, hot cars, etc. Who love to help the single mom with her "troubled" boy. Who does not seem to have any friends except his mother.

119 posted on 01/28/2013 4:25:37 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: SandRat

My contributions will cease....

Have they not read their own oath lately? They are “in charge” of something they don’t even believe in? Disgusting if they do this!!


120 posted on 01/28/2013 4:28:26 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska ((~ RIP Brian...heaven's gain...the Coast Guard lost a good one.~))
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To: ryan71

The greatest recruitment tool that NAMBLA will be the BSA now...you know the lawsuits are coming and it will cost them plenty by bending over ant taking it where the son don’t shine.


121 posted on 01/28/2013 4:38:20 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

The greatest recruitment tool that NAMBLA will be the BSA now...you know the lawsuits are coming and it will cost them plenty by bending over and taking it where the sun don’t shine.


122 posted on 01/28/2013 4:41:05 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Ron C.; crosshairs
The Boy Scouts of America is considering dropping

They're not "considering", they've been forced by the govt.......A recent lawsuit said they can't discriminate against homosexuals. They have no choice in the matter......

123 posted on 01/28/2013 4:46:00 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Ron C.

And to what gain? What moral value is being served? Baden Powell must be rolling in his grave.

This is a very sad and strange time for the formerly great nation of America.


124 posted on 01/28/2013 4:50:25 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Ron C.

Well, if this comes to pass, the BSA has seen the very last donation from me.


125 posted on 01/28/2013 4:51:52 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: svcw

I think there are many that would no longer contribute their sons to the Boy Scouts.


126 posted on 01/28/2013 4:56:21 PM PST by dforest
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To: Kathy in Alaska
I don't think they live by it.

She S*** of the Fox Spews program in reporting this situation on-air is talking like it is a done deal for the penny-loafer crowd. DISGUSTING!!!

127 posted on 01/28/2013 5:02:52 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: He'sComingBack!
On my honor, I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and MORALLY STRAIGHT.
128 posted on 01/28/2013 5:07:11 PM PST by TheDon (Criminalizing self defense contributed to the Sandy Hook massacre.)
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To: dforest

Or our Grand Sons.


129 posted on 01/28/2013 5:07:36 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: All
As a former Scoutmaster for 11 years and a supporter of the Boy Scouts the past 24 years. This is a decision will make it impossible for me to support the BSA any longer. This is a travesty to all previous Scouts & supporters. Looks like I will be supporting the RA (Royal Ambassadors).

We hear “Not all gays are phedophiles”. But in scouting all gays are phedophiles. The temptations is to great.

130 posted on 01/28/2013 5:12:55 PM PST by sleddogs
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To: All
As a former Scoutmaster for 11 years and a supporter of the Boy Scouts the past 24 years. This is a decision will make it impossible for me to support the BSA any longer. This is a travesty to all previous Scouts & supporters. Looks like I will be supporting the RA (Royal Ambassadors).

We hear “Not all gays are phedophiles”. But in scouting all gays are phedophiles. The temptations is to great.

131 posted on 01/28/2013 5:13:02 PM PST by sleddogs
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To: Ron C.
Boy Scouts of America considering dropping its ban on gay members

If they do that the BSA will no longer receive yearly contributions from me!

You & me both!

More importantly however, I cannot even fathom or imagine that ANY parent would send their 8-12 yr old boy on any camping trip any longer. In fact I would not trust even the scout meetings held at churches or schools. It's not like there has never been any molestation occurring in these institutions in the past.

How could any legitimate parent with an ounce of decency or common sense, put their young son into a predator rich environment for some homosexual queer pedaphile to fondle, molest & even sodomize?

There's a reason the homos & queers want to be in the BSA. After all, what better place to coerce & recruit young boys into debauchery then in an environment filled with young boys.

If this does happen, I hope & pray that the BSA sees all their membership rolls plummet & go out of existance.

132 posted on 01/28/2013 5:19:23 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: Ron C.
Obama pledges to divide Jerusalem.

Obama pledges to divide conservatives.

Obama pledges to divide Republicans.

Obama pledges to divide gunowners.

Obama pledges to divide Boy Scouts.

Obama pledges to divide Americans.

Obama pledges to divide races.

Obama pledges to divide ... [fill in the blank].

Anybody else see a pattern here???

133 posted on 01/28/2013 5:24:21 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: editor-surveyor
After I departed my troop, I heard stories about specific scouts that I knew from the troop. It turns out that some of them were queer and preying on the younger scouts on camping trips. One of the assistant scoutmasters was caught molesting young children at the daycare facility operated by his wife. He went to prison. His son dropped out of sight. The "two deep" rules appeared after I left. That would not have done anything to stop the predatory scouts going after other scouts.
134 posted on 01/28/2013 5:27:27 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: rcrngroup

“There’s a reason the homos & queers want to be in the BSA. After all, what better place to coerce & recruit young boys into debauchery then in an environment filled with young boys.”

I’ve gone camping/backpacking with my sons; they’ll never spend a day in the Boy Scouts for that very reason. I appreciate the stand the Scouts have already taken, but like the clergy there is a first time for everything. My sons aren’t going to be anyone’s first victim. Not all people involved in scouting or the clergy or education are pedophiles, but pedophiles do gravitate towards those fields for that very reason (access).


135 posted on 01/28/2013 5:28:09 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Ron C.

The Marxist march through all of our institutions is now about complete including the church. The Boy Scouts is one of the last ones.

Good Morning Amerika!


136 posted on 01/28/2013 5:39:38 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: robowombat

Excellent post and excellent points. Pantheism, sodomy,violence (not to mention feudalism but that’s another post!) etc is the default mode of human beings without the Judeo-Christian order.


137 posted on 01/28/2013 5:43:00 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: PROCON

Is BSA federally funded?


138 posted on 01/28/2013 5:44:47 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: Ron C.

Another victim on the Left’s attack on traditional American masculinity.

It is no accident that they have targeted so many institutions that promote godliness, moral absolutes, integrity, self-reliance, boldness, a willing to fight for one’s belief, a willing to fight to defend others.

That is why they have attacked our military, manly sports, and the BSA for the past two decades.

They want a nation of limp-wristed, faggot sheep that are terrified of all the big bad wolves out there and seek the herd to protect them.

If the BSA does this, they get no more funding from me as caving from the pressure of a perverse homosexual lobby in order to infiltrate the organization and subvert its purpose by “recruiting” young boys is antithetical to what their purpose used to be.


139 posted on 01/28/2013 5:45:00 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: SandRat

You are reading too much into this. National is saying that they will bow out of this and leave it to the local councils to decide what they want to do. For 99% of the country this would mean no change to the eligibility requirements for scout leadership. They also specify that charter partners have a say so too can you see LDS or Catholic church agreeing to this? Now a few local councils San Fran and Mass come to mind may chose to allow gay scout leaders. We will see where that road takes them. As conservatives do we not always preach that the level closest to the people should make the local calls. This is BSA national in Texas saying OK you out there in scout land make your own decision. National is about the $ and always has been.


140 posted on 01/28/2013 5:48:03 PM PST by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: Morgana

Without question we can expect a “Rainbow Badge” for meritorious support for “Inclusive Activities”, which will include organizing Boyfriend of Scouts events at Gay Day rallies. I am not even remotely kidding.


141 posted on 01/28/2013 5:48:14 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Gene Eric

It’s about more than that.

It is about forcing what used to be a religious, traditional organization to allow openly homosexual men women access to what the homos term as “recruits” (people they can convert to homosexuality).

Let’s keep in mind that the issue with priests attacking young boys is not an issue of Catholic theology, it is an issue of homosexual predators seeking out an occupation that allows them access to potential victims.

The homos have shifted focus to the Catholic church aspect of the issue away from the root issue which is that of homosexual predators.

If that predation happened so flagrantly where it is not condoned, imagine how it will proliferate in an organization where it is openly condoned.

What we have learned over the past four years is that an overwhelming majority of blacks hate whites and always will and will take from whites whatever they can whenever they can.

We’ve also learned that the homos will never, ever stop attacking any person or institution that calls their behavior abnormal or perverted. Their primary target is God and the Bible, but they attack His people by proxy. And they will not stop until Christians turn away from Biblical teaching on the issue and choose the friendship and acceptance of the homos over God’s word.


142 posted on 01/28/2013 5:50:49 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: scottteng

“”National is saying that they will bow out of this and leave it to the local councils to decide what they want to do”

BS. The same pressure causing this decision is the same pressure that will be used later to force the locals to allow homosexual activities in the scouts. Incrementalism is the name of the liberal game; always has been, always will be.


143 posted on 01/28/2013 5:51:52 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: SandRat

That is sad but wise, SandRat. The homos are not fighting so hard to get in so they can build campfires out in the woods with the scouts.

They banned queers because a long standing, massive child molestion ring threatened to break the bank in lawsuits. Hate to say it, but like JoePa at Penn state, they looked the other way while the animals operated at camps and other activities until the law suits began.

This is what life will be like for boys in homo America; a boy’s public life centered around homo butt activity, which is their whole idenity. It’s hard to beleive we have fallen to this insanity.

We had two males of my generation molested in the Scouts.


144 posted on 01/28/2013 5:52:07 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: dfwgator

I don’t know what form molestation will take in the future, but in the past, sending boys off to summer camps or to any activities outside your group, was a bad idea. : (


145 posted on 01/28/2013 5:57:00 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: max americana

I think we’re all becoming max americana’s in our lack of tolerance for all those that are destroying this country.


146 posted on 01/28/2013 5:58:33 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Agreed.

And my point of view on so-called “gay marriage”: Laws promoting “homosexual marriage” are about persecuting those that refuse to support homosexual behavior.


147 posted on 01/28/2013 5:59:16 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Sans-Culotte

All NAMBLA members should be stood up against a wall and shot.


148 posted on 01/28/2013 6:07:22 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Hot Tabasco
123 The Boy Scouts of America is considering dropping ...
They're not "considering", they've been forced by the govt.......A recent lawsuit said they can't discriminate against homosexuals. They have no choice in the matter......

Citation please?

149 posted on 01/28/2013 6:40:35 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: madameguinot
Is BSA federally funded?

The short answer is no. Cub and Boy Scout units were once chartered on U.S. military bases but the ACLU put the kybosh on that in the early 2000s. Same goes for the National Jamboree which was hosted by the U.S. Army at Ft. A.P. Hill, VA, from 1980-2010. Those days are gone.

The confusion among volunteers at the unit (Pack, Troop) level is the difference in funding for the national council, the local council, and the individual units. Basically, the units are expected to fund themselves. They do get some help from the local councils during the annual fall popcorn sale (proceeds are split between the units and the council with the units getting the lion's share).

Local councils are mostly funded by ...
1. local United Way Chapters
2. annual Friends of Scouting (FoS) drives
3. annual Trails End popcorn sale (the Cubs are the biggest sellers)
4. private donations (individual endowments, corporations)
5. cyclical capital campaigns (~every 7 years, foundation grants)
6. annual membership dues
7. Mutual of Omaha offers accident and sickness insurance coverage to Scouts and Scouters which furnishes medical reimbursement in case of death, accident, or sickness within the policy amounts. Most likely, BSA gets a commission for policies sold.
8. special events - charity trap/skeet shoots, charity golf tournaments, recognition/motivational banquets
9. trading post sales during summer camp
10. Scout Shop sales at local council service centers.

150 posted on 01/28/2013 7:02:04 PM PST by MacNaughton
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