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NBC Exclusive: Boy Scouts Close to Ending Ban on Gay Members, Leaders
NBC News ^ | Monday, January 28, 2013 | Pete Williams

Posted on 01/28/2013 10:15:05 AM PST by kristinn

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To: kristinn

IF they do this, they will become like the U.S. military.

The deconstruction continues...


51 posted on 01/28/2013 10:55:56 AM PST by Amish with an attitude
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To: kristinn

Sounds like the media being the usual willing accomplices to the homosexual mafia. I’m sure they want this brought up again to drag the BSA through the wringer, hoping to wear them down bit by bit.


52 posted on 01/28/2013 10:57:30 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: kristinn

If this is true, then I will take some, but not much comfort in the ability of local organizations to set their own policy....and this is why. The books, magazines, (Boy’s Life), merit badge pamphlets and all of the rest of the publications emanating from the BSA will have to reflect this change. The content will be “diversified”. And the “two deep” leadership policy will have only limited effectiveness....what if both leaders are homosexual now?

This is tragic.


53 posted on 01/28/2013 10:58:29 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: DuncanWaring

Indeed.

Call me cynical but I think the ACLU and other liberal type lawyers pushing this have the intention to then turn around and sue the BSA for allowing it(if they actually rescind the current ban) when the incidents of pedophilia sky rocket.


54 posted on 01/28/2013 11:00:05 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: MarineBrat

Oh well, that’s the end of it for my nephews too. I don’t want no degenerate fudgepacker molesting my nephews.


55 posted on 01/28/2013 11:01:20 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: tanknetter

Not sure I believe the MSM story but if true ...

Some of my dues and fundraiser proceeds go to the national organization. Even if they push the choice to the local level, I will still be forced to support the national organization that chose to punt.


56 posted on 01/28/2013 11:02:07 AM PST by a_screen_name
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To: tanknetter
I would expect the Mormon and Roman Catholic sponsored BSA councils etc to fight tooth and nail. Both have VERY deep pockets.

Well, the Roman Catholic Church doesn't have as deep of pockets that it used to. They allowed homosexual leaders in their organization and it didn't work out so well.

57 posted on 01/28/2013 11:02:31 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: who knows what evil?

NBC managers, owners and newsies are always hoping they can start hopping on Boy Scouts ~ but it’s not going to happen.


58 posted on 01/28/2013 11:03:45 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: kristinn

I don’t believe this “news” from NBC.


59 posted on 01/28/2013 11:04:21 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: B.O. Plenty

I agree before we debate the wisdom of making a change to the BSA policy regarding gay members lets wait for them to announce a change.

May be a ratings ploy to get the gays and their sympathizers tuned in to see Brian Williams.

One thing at a time...


60 posted on 01/28/2013 11:04:54 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: kristinn

Don’t know how true this story is but after seeing “Atlas Shrugged” Part 1 this past weekend, I think the BSA should simply “go Galt” and shut down operations before they allow this. Just like Hostess did with the union/Twinkie debacle a couple of months ago.


61 posted on 01/28/2013 11:05:15 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: tanknetter
A recurring problem over the years have been church sponsors who cave to the importunements of pedophiles ~ which requires the council to take action to shut down the troop.

If this were the national policy to just leave it up to the locals that would bring in the pedophiles like nothing you've ever seen.

62 posted on 01/28/2013 11:06:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: kristinn

America is almost to the point of no return...The almost is questionable.

We should not be surprised really, people started to openly choose evil over good when they voted for Jimmy Carter,perhaps even before, but now it`s just more in your face rebellion against The Lord God.

Clinton twice, mind you never got a huge percentage of the vote, Gore almost won, but now a new low with Obama twice, and with him being totally open about his pro abortion anti Christian positions.

Look to the sky, look to the Lord Jesus


63 posted on 01/28/2013 11:08:13 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: kristinn

Not saying the pressure did not work, but my first thought is we should strongly consider the source of this “report”.

Nobama and his MSM strongly beleive in propaganda by outlandish rumor for divide and conquer.


64 posted on 01/28/2013 11:09:59 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: T-Bird45

Our local LDS troops already segregate quite a bit. They don’t even attend the local camp anymore(largest Council owned facility in the country). It’s been suspected they will leave anyway to create a coed youth group like Venture Crew.


65 posted on 01/28/2013 11:12:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: kristinn

Talk about a lose-lose. The kind of parents who think this is OK usually don’t enroll their kids in activities like Scouting anyway. However the parents who DO enroll their boys in scouting are typically traditionally minded, and that’s not event taking into account the vast numbers of families who, regardless of their social philosophies, simply would rather not leave their children in the company of sodomites.


66 posted on 01/28/2013 11:13:33 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: kristinn

Alternate title: BSA close to halting acquisition of new members from Christian households.


67 posted on 01/28/2013 11:14:02 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: AppyPappy

The greater problem for the Mormons are the stakes out there in the wilderness where they are the ONLY one and they’ve got these boys...... serious youth camp facilities are very expensive ~ always have been. Something Mormons could do in Riverside County, Utah, Snake River Valley or even Phoenix just can’t be managed in those other places.


68 posted on 01/28/2013 11:16:02 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: kristinn

I think the Boy Scouts are being blackmailed. Apparently, they have had molestation issues that they tended to cover up rather than refer for prosecution. It’s the same old story that we have seen with Penn State and many religious denominations, most notably the Catholic church.

Whatever.

The Boy Scouts are now dead. What loving parents would entrust their sons to an organization that willingly allows homosexual “leaders” to take them off into the woods?


69 posted on 01/28/2013 11:17:32 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: kristinn

Just remember.....every fag is a predator. How do you think they get their victims?


70 posted on 01/28/2013 11:20:33 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Here's what will happen: the BSA leaves it up to individual councils.

. . . and those individual Councils would likely leave it up to individual chartered organizations.

It's been done before. People forget that the Cradle of Liberty Council (Philadelphia) voted in May 2003 to end discrimination based on sexual orientation.

In 2003, however, the BSA sent the Cradle of Liberty Council a cease and desist letter, the Cradle of Liberty Council rescinded its nondiscrimination policy, and the COL Council went on to battle the city over rights to its building.

71 posted on 01/28/2013 11:26:08 AM PST by Scoutmaster (More wag. Less bark.)
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To: Lancey Howard

“according to scouting officials and outsiders familiar with internal discussions.”

Where’s the evidence that this is true? The lying media?


72 posted on 01/28/2013 11:30:22 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: kristinn

Too bad. It was once a great organization.


73 posted on 01/28/2013 11:30:32 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: kristinn

if so, my kids will never join.


74 posted on 01/28/2013 11:36:02 AM PST by dadfly
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To: kristinn
it would represent a profound change on an issue that has been highly controversial

Only in the morally bankrupt and perverted atmosphere of New America would the idea of freedom of association within a private organization be deemed "controversial."

If this goes through, NAMBLA won't be able to contain its excitement.

75 posted on 01/28/2013 11:47:50 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: kristinn

It is only Christians who believe that homosexuality is a sin.

How many Christians in America?

Pray for revival.


76 posted on 01/28/2013 11:52:17 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Candor7
I suppose your kid also will never join the NRA the AMA the ABA, becomes a teacher, a judge, a plumber, an airline pilot, engineer, goes to University, joins a college fraternity, enrolls in mensa, the National Honor society, the US military, becomes a cop or fireman, joins a church, joins 4-H, or affiliates with any other organization or profession or social organization that "allows" homosexuals as members

balderdash

ultimately a parent can decide whether his kid joins a troop headed by a rump ranger or forms his own Boy Scout troop. Why give “them” the Boy Scouts?

77 posted on 01/28/2013 11:57:10 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: MarineBrat

like the US Marines for example?


78 posted on 01/28/2013 11:58:25 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: kristinn

The closeted gays have finally wormed their way to the top of the Scouting leadership. This will never be voted on by the membership and will as usual be dictated from the top.


79 posted on 01/28/2013 11:58:41 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

The radio version never mentioned the word “close”.


80 posted on 01/28/2013 12:05:59 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Where’s the evidence that this is true? The lying media?

That's a very good question.
I don't trust NBC as far as I can throw a mouse fart.

81 posted on 01/28/2013 12:06:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: laweeks
Basically, that’s what they want, right?

Actually, no: They want to get into the BSA because in their mind, anything that represents moral purity must be destroyed.

And the way they are going to do that is by boffing the kids and turning everything into a scandal.

82 posted on 01/28/2013 12:10:39 PM PST by Houmatt (Generic tag line.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Good point. Once my son reaches the age of consent I can’t make him do anything. However, my recommendation today would be against joining the USMC.

When the first state secession happens, I recommend joining that state’s militia in the fight to protect that state from the fed monster.

I recommend fighting for God and freedom, wherever he and it may roam.


83 posted on 01/28/2013 12:19:43 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: silverleaf

Yes, like the Marines. I would no longer recommend any son of mine to join. The fight is for God, family and country. When country becomes evil, items 1 and 2 take precedence.


84 posted on 01/28/2013 12:23:42 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: silverleaf

I suppose your kid also will never join the NRA the AMA the ABA, becomes a teacher, a judge, a plumber, an airline pilot, engineer, goes to University, joins a college fraternity, enrolls in mensa, the National Honor society, the US military, becomes a cop or fireman, joins a church, joins 4-H, or affiliates with any other organization or profession or social organization that “allows” homosexuals as members>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I can tell you were never a Boy Scout. Has your gay Boy Scout Counsellor slept in the same tent as your kid on a wilderness hike?

Buahahahahahaha. Put words into your own mouth not mine. You can have the fudgepackers. I choose not to.


85 posted on 01/28/2013 12:24:52 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Tzar
7 Don’t buy it. This is mere psyops. ABC claimed the same malarkey less than a year ago so I called BSA headquarters. They assured me that it was just the media causing trouble.

I am not so sure. The timing is propitious. BSA's founding anniversary is FEB 8 (1910). Its by-laws established that it must submit an annual report to the BSA Honorary President (who happens to be the POTUS). Traditionally, this report is hand delivered to the White House sometime in FEB.

BHO was heavily lobbied by athesits/agnostics/homosexuals in JAN 2009 to resign his Honorary Presidency of the BSA. He hasn't, to date. BHO's State of the Union Address is scheduled much later than normal, FEB 12. It seems reasonable that his WH staff reached out to BSA National in Irving, TX, and told them if they don't back down, he will resign the Honorary Presidency.

The progressive opposition to BSA calls this maneuver the "local option", i.e., letting the individual charter institutions, i.e., the churches, decide who their adult and youth membership will be. The UCC, TEC, ELCA, PCUSA, and UMC churches will shout hallelujah.

This is going to cause problems between Cub Scout packs at Pinewood Derbies and Day Camps and Boy Scout troops at district camporees, council camporees and summer camps, national jamborees, and the 2014 World Jamboree at The Summit near Oak Hill, WV.

The fallout from this has major disastrous potential for the survival of BSA

86 posted on 01/28/2013 12:26:31 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Tzar

They might actually be crying Uncle this time.

Obama just got another uninterrupted 4 years to steamroll them.


87 posted on 01/28/2013 12:31:04 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: T-Bird45
I'd say the LDS-sponsored units would simply drop their BSA affiliation. This would shortly be followed by an LDS-only group

I wouldn't be too sure of that.

Love One Another: A Discussion on Same-Sex Attraction

Official mormon church statement

"The experience of same-sex attraction is a complex reality for many people. The attraction itself is not a sin, but acting on it is. Even though individuals do not choose to have such attractions, they do choose how to respond to them. With love and understanding, the Church reaches out to all God’s children, including our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters."

88 posted on 01/28/2013 12:33:33 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: kristinn

Anyone only needs to recall what happened when the Catholic Church provided gay priest access to altar boys to see what will happen the day that the Boy Scouts provide gay scout leaders access to the boys. The lawsuits that will be forth coming against the Boy Scouts when the perverts get through will financially destroy the entire organization.


89 posted on 01/28/2013 12:33:43 PM PST by Saltmeat
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To: tanknetter
I would expect the Mormon and Roman Catholic sponsored BSA councils etc to fight tooth and nail.

Well some will. But...The Mormons have recently run tv ads showing a tolerance of homosexuals. As in they don't really approve, but they're welcome to join anyway. Traditional Catholic parishes (if any actually sponsor BSA -- I doubt it) WOULD fight tooth and nail. But many everyday Catholic "new church" type parishes would have no trouble with this at all.

BTW, I just heard a Fox News Radio report on this. Said it would be up to individual councils to decide. Maybe the best decision would be to leave and form a new, conservative organization.

90 posted on 01/28/2013 12:41:35 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Tzar

I am hoping that you’re right and that the Mormons will kill this. My church, the RC is totally useless it seems stopping or steming this stuff.


91 posted on 01/28/2013 12:56:05 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: Candor7

bwaaahah ha hah ha

you can’t tell feces, even though you have an interesting obsession with them

started my own Scout troop
no fudgegacker troop leader that way!
just lots and lots of great experiences and fun

enjoy your family wilderness hikes, take your own kids and go.

Be sure they never go to college or join a church youth group or the military... they might have to sleep in the same building, nay the same room as...... a homosexual

aaahhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!


92 posted on 01/28/2013 1:02:20 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: MSF BU

Your RC church better never sponsor troops that have leaders who are living in what the Church says is a sinful relationship, or shame on them

otherwise no kids should belong to that troop. The parents have ultimate control over who is their kid’s troop leader. In fact it is up to the straight married parents to step up and lead their own troops.


93 posted on 01/28/2013 1:05:24 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: kristinn
For those who need it straight from the horse's mouth ...

http://www.scouting.org/membershippolicy.aspx
MEDIA STATEMENT
Boy Scouts of America
Monday, Jan. 28, 2013
Attributable to: Deron Smith, Director of Public Relations

“For more than 100 years, Scouting’s focus has been on working together to deliver the nation’s foremost youth program of character development and values-based leadership training. Scouting has always been in an ongoing dialogue with the Scouting family to determine what is in the best interest of the organization and the young people we serve.

“Currently, the BSA is discussing potentially removing the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation. This would mean there would no longer be any national policy regarding sexual orientation, and the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs. BSA members and parents would be able to choose a local unit that best meets the needs of their families.

“The policy change under discussion would allow the religious, civic, or educational organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting to determine how to address this issue. The Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents. Under this proposed policy, the BSA would not require any chartered organization to act in ways inconsistent with that organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs.”

94 posted on 01/28/2013 1:08:08 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: silverleaf

Part of the problem with my denomination is that there are many folks in positions of authority who really belong with the Unitarians, and they lack the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that.


95 posted on 01/28/2013 1:10:20 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: MacNaughton

The ACLU would use the fact that the national organization does not ban homosexuals to force the locals to comply. With the new “civil right” status of homosexuality, it won’t be long before you either comply with the national policy or disband.


96 posted on 01/28/2013 1:14:13 PM PST by Conservative_Rob
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To: tanknetter

Some individual Catholic church groups do, what makes you think mormons with fight this based on their very recent statements and their long term history.


97 posted on 01/28/2013 1:16:51 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: AppyPappy

“You realize, of course, that the BSA has always had gay Scout leaders. The leaders just kept it quiet.”

True, just like in the military and every other walk of life. The difference now is it is being promoted and even celebrated as being okay, acceptable, in other words indoctrination of young minds who don’t have a well rounded view of the world. It was better in the closet where there was at least an undercurrent of moral fiber left as far as what is right or wrong whether it be homosexuality, adultery, whatever. Look at what an anything goes society has brought us.


98 posted on 01/28/2013 1:23:44 PM PST by selfdefense
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To: Tzar
Don’t buy it. This is mere psyops.

Agreed. I don't see anything that says the boy scouts are actually going to do this.

I'll believe it when I see it myself. NEVER trust the MSM. They work for the dark side.

They've been purposely "agitating" the right wing ever since Oboma was given affirmative action. They want to incite us to anger, and then use that anger as a weapon against us. (BIG - and affective - Alinski tactic.)

99 posted on 01/28/2013 1:28:10 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: tanknetter

Pushing it down to Councils is NOT a good idea at all. The BSA is a national affiliate of a worldwide movement. In the US, the BSA sets out national policies, national standards, and a national brand.

What the Councils do will ultimately reflect on the national org anyway. The press is going to see to it.


100 posted on 01/28/2013 1:28:29 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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