NBC Exclusive: Boy Scouts Close to Ending Ban on Gay Members, Leaders

NBC News ^ | Monday, January 28, 2013 | Pete Williams

[Happy Rain]

Pederasty, not pedophilia...these are grown homosexuals seeking new teenage boy hunting grounds and nothing else.

There were no pedophile priests either but evil homosexuals raping young men...pedophilia is a totally different mental illness.

[Smokin' Joe]

NO. (period)

[Squantos]

I will stop all support of and send my Eagle Medal and Certificate back to the BSA Headquarters with a letter telling them the award has no honor anymore.

Won’t tolerate such crap as they ignore the scout laws and oath in exchange for cash.

Don’t do it BSA ... Don’t do it.

[Theophilus]

Genesis 19:9
And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

[boop]

I'm really confused. I "get" that the ACLU wants to destroy the BSA because it represents "traditional values".

But why are gays so damn obsessed with access to little boys? Whay are gay "leaders" never asked this question?

If unmarried heterosexual men were fighting tooth and nail to be "Girl scout" leaders and members, what would the MSM, and the public think of that?

I seriously doubt they'd think it was keen.

Even liberal dads would say: "Over my dead body! Keep your perverted paws off my little girl!"

[Elsie]

Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

 

Psalms 12:8      The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

      More?

Isaiah 3:9   The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b  Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

 

 

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 4.  For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,  putting them into gloomy dungeons  to be held for judgment;
 5.  if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
 6.  if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
 7.  and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
 8.  (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
 9.  if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
 10.  This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature  and despise authority.   Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
 11.  yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
 12.  But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
 13.  They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

[Elsie]

Disobey Him and there will be Hell to pay in the form of harrassment, regulation, condemnation, fines and imprisonment.

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Acts 5:29

But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.

[the OlLine Rebel]

What does the original Boy Scouts - UK - do?

I’d figure Euros would allow homos but who knows?

[AppyPappy]

The question is this : Do you want to know if a Scout Leader is gay?
Personally, I don’t care but a lot of parents would like to know whether a Scout Leader is gay. It should make for an interesting meeting tonight, which I will avoid because of work.

[Elsie]

The ACLU sues these smaller entities who cannot put up the legal defense that the entire BSA did

Do NOT defend!

IGNORE!

[Elsie]

The BSA won’t budge unless the LDS do first.

That sounds real encouraging!!!

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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp

[Elsie]

The Mormon troops would leave.

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I'm a MORMON ...

 

 

 

http://www.affirmation.org/

[Elsie]

 

The Mormon troops would leave.

http://www.google.com/search?q=gay+mormon+associations&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS475

 

 

 

[Elsie]

...wait for further word from a more trusted source....or wait for an "announcement" from a BSA muckety muck.

How about one from an LDS M&M???

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

January 21st, 2013

The message for this month is -

Fellow MORMON Christians!!

I've been getting strange messages from GOD in my sleep. Things about GAYS, and Joseph Smith's re-translation of the KJV of the bible, and our vast landholdings in Florida and Hawaii.

 

Troubling thoughts that awake me in a sweat.

 

I'll try to keep all of you faithfull fully informed as the meassge becvomes clearer.

 

Until then; CTR and wear your garment!

 

Tommy

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

January 21st, 2013

The message for this month is -

Fellow MORMON Christians!!

I've been getting strange messages from GOD in my sleep. Things about GAYS, and Joseph Smith's re-translation of the KJV of the bible, and our vast landholdings in Florida and Hawaii.

 

Troubling thoughts that awake me in a sweat.

 

I'll try to keep all of you faithfull fully informed as the meassge becvomes clearer.

 

Until then; CTR and wear your garment!

 

Tommy

[Graybeard58]

The mormon republican presidential candidate was all for it.

[Elsie]

What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?

 

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"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982

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"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

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"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65

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"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196

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"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.

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"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965

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"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155

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"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.

[Elsie]

I think SLC has greater worries than fondling under the duvet!!

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[IrishBrigade]

Clinton twice, mind you never got a huge percentage of the vote, Gore almost won, but now a new low with Obama twice, and with him being totally open about his pro abortion anti Christian positions.

Look to the sky, look to the Lord Jesus...

...don’t forget Hilary in 2016...you can book that one too...

[Elsie]

Part of the problem with my denomination is that there are many folks in positions of authority who really belong with the Unitarians, and they lack the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that.

And just WHO is responsible for them BEING in those positions?

Grow some 'nads and get RID of them!!

[JimRed]

Homosexuals should never be in any position of power over children of the same sex. Homosexual males should no more be scout leaders than straight males should be girl scout leaders.

Homosexual, because there’s nothing gay about it.

[Elsie]

...national policy or disband....

There ARE other options.

[Elsie]

......pedophilia is a totally different mental illness.

No; it is not.

It's a SIN!!!

Put the word BACK into your vocaulary and use it OFTEN!!!

[Elsie]

Just ONE of the 'other' options...

"Over my dead body! Keep your perverted paws off my boy!"

[IrishBrigade]

Traditional Catholic parishes (if any actually sponsor BSA — I doubt it) WOULD fight tooth and nail. But many everyday Catholic “new church” type parishes would have no trouble with this at all...

...all too true, I’m afraid...my town’s parish, a fairly affluent suburban bunch, have a BSA troop, and there would be no questions asked...

...some of the men might grumble in the beginning, but their women, obsessed with ‘community’ spirit, and who really run these suburban churches, will eventually have their way...

[Elsie]

 

 

Matthew 10:15

 Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.

 

 

See what lying GAYS have to say about the bible record found in Genesis:

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Sin-of-Sodom.html

 

[newzjunkey]

My kids will never join the Boy Scouts of America, if they decide to allow declared homosexuals as members or leaders.

The first clause is enough. One needn't an additional reason than those already existent.

[Suz in AZ]

The LDS church has it’s own scouting program set up and ready to replace the BSA at a moment’s notice. They already have it in countries like Switzerland, where the scouts are a co-ed organization so the LDS church has their own program and do not affiliate with the BSA sister organization.

If they pull their funding and support, that’s the end of BSA.

[selfdefense]

“The question is this : Do you want to know if a Scout Leader is gay?”

The question for me is, if a scout leader is out publicly and pushing for gay rights, then he or she is not to be trusted. They have an agenda to push the normalcy of the life on everyone else and their children. I think they have some major issues emotionally ( like every other far left Christian hating liberal in my opinion ) and should not be leading or mingling with children. What you do is your business (and you can answer to the man upstairs) if you keep it that way. That is not where openly gay militants are coming from.

[Candor7]

I plan to get my kids past pubescense and into adult hood without any fudgepackers having a crack at re defining their life style. Then they are on their own.

The Boy Scouts may be lost, but Scouting can be what the People want as an institution, not what a bunch of politically correct fudge packers want, who wanty more than beiong a Scout, the fudgepackers want to have political power based on their sexuality.Not in the constitution.

[Some Fat Guy in L.A.]

This sounds like pure cowardice - leave the local chapters to face the lawsuits and the hate. Either they stand for what’s right or they don’t - they can’t have it both ways.

[MacNaughton]

108 What does the original Boy Scouts - UK - do? I’d figure Euros would allow homos but who knows?

I read a posting on a U.S. scouting forum in the last 6 months where an adult Scouter in the UK informed us Yanks that the British scouting association was dropping its references to God. They have been open to homosexuals for some time now, just like the Canadians.

What's interesting is the upcoming 2014 World Scout Jamboree near Oak Hill, WV, which is being co-hosted by BSA/Scouts Canada/ and the Mexican scouting association. How does BSA reconcile the homosexual issue?

For those coming late to the party, Scouting in Germany was wrecked in the 1930s by the homosexual adult leadership of the Hitler Youth. See ...

The Pink Swastika

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

[crosshairs]

The new Boy Thcouts.

[crosshairs]

Nancy Boy Scouts.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

And you understand that the difference between then and now is that now, if this passes, homosexuals will be able to become scout leaders as OPEN HOMOSEXUALS.

That has the same impact as it does in the military (where homosexual men served bravely in the past but none knew they were homosexual), that their real motivation is not to serve but to ensure that everyone knows that they are homosexual, and that it is a homosexual that is serving.

In short, they become a hyphenated-member of the organization. Just like a hyphenated feminist or a hyphenated American.

That hyphenation subordinates what should be their primary motivation (serving) to a position of less importance to what their true primary motivation is (pushing the homosexual agenda).

THAT is why this is such a serious problem.

[MSF BU]

Easier said than done, look what has happened with most mainline churches.

[Norm Lenhart]

Any supportive parent of a scout troup/supporters thereof, needs to be forced to watch gay porn ‘twink’ videos before any debate on gays in scouting.

I am quite serious. Let them see the reality of gays and ‘simulated’ young boys. enough of this BS. MAKE these people cast an informed ‘vote’ on the matter.

And yes, the non supportive types should see for themselves what they are actually fighting against. It would cement their resolve.

[Norm Lenhart]

Any supportive parent of a scout troup/supporters thereof, needs to be forced to watch gay porn ‘twink’ videos before any debate on gays in scouting.

I am quite serious. Let them see the reality of gays and ‘simulated’ young boys. enough of this BS. MAKE these people cast an informed ‘vote’ on the matter.

And yes, the non supportive types should see for themselves what they are actually fighting against. It would cement their resolve.

[Ghost of Philip Marlowe]

If this goes through, it just dawned on me how this all came about.

Not too long ago, the BSA was forced to admit that they’d had their own “homosexual priests” issue going back for decades.

I guarantee that Obammie and his Commies sent their Uncle Vito mafia mouthpiece named Holder to the BSA and told them, “Here is the list of BSA representatives that we will prosecute for JAIL TIME and this is the amount we will sue the BSA for...if you do not change your stance on OPENLY HOMOSEXUAL ADULTS LEADING the Boy Scouts.”

If this goes through, I have no doubt this is what caused the 180-degree shift.

[Liberty Valance]

[GeronL]

Let the BSA whither away

[narses]

Under the proposed change, said BSA spokesman Deron Smith, “the Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents.”

[narses]

Under the proposed change, said BSA spokesman Deron Smith, “the Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents.”

[narses]

Under the proposed change, said BSA spokesman Deron Smith, “the Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents.”

[Elsie]

Of COURSE it’s not ‘easy’; but, by GOD!, it MUST be done!

Instead of DEALING witht the problem(s) in our churchs; we have ‘voted’ with our feet.

(feel free to subsitute CITIES for CHURCHS if you wish.)

[Elsie]

 

The PROBLEM...  

2 Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being

 

The ANSWER...

1 Timothy 5:20.
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

 

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

 

1 Peter 1:16 restates Leviticus 11:44: "Be holy, because I am holy."

If we ignore blatant sinfulness within the body of Christ, then we fail to honor the Lord's call to be holy and live for his glory.

[Elsie]

Under the proposed change, said BSA spokesman Deron Smith, “the Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents.”

That's good to know.

Let the TEAM decide who pitches and who catches!

[TArcher]

>> leaving local sponsoring organizations free to
>>decide for themselves whether to

Whether to consume the poison of subjectivism?

The Scout LAW requires morality. Homosexuals are amoral and antagonistic toward that requirement.

As an Eagle Scout, I will never recognize or accept the membership of homosexuals in the organization.

[dforest]

Boy Scouts should just close and disband. It is no longer what it used to be.

[TArcher]

>>This would shortly be followed by an LDS-only group

Maybe the LDS should consider why it’s RINO for president campaign got its Deseretian arse handed to it before it starts dicktating policy to the BSA.

What’s the Reformed Egyptian/Kolobian translation of - “NO SALE”?

Oh and, let’s not forget the fact that SLC rivals SanFransisco for it fame as a homosexual population center.

FAIL.

[King Moonracer]

Duty to God and be morally straight. Where does sodomy fit in??? Can’t those lazy homos just start their own scouting group, so libtards can pimp their children to them? That’s right, libtards want to pimp our children,their own kids are too busy playing video games and looking at porn to join BSA.