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IF 'ASSAULT WEAPONS' ARE BAD...WHY DOES DHS WANT TO BUY 7,000 OF THEM FOR 'PERSONAL DEFENSE'?
The Blaze ^ | Jan. 26, 2013 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 01/27/2013 6:57:16 PM PST by forty_years

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines.

Citing a General Service Administration (GSA) request for proposal (RFP), Steve McGough of RadioViceOnline.com reports that DHS is asking for the 7,000 “select-fire” firearms because they are “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters.” The term select-fire means the weapon can be both semi-automatic and automatic. Civilians are prohibited from obtaining these kinds of weapons.

The RFP describes the firearm as “Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) – 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required.” Additionally, DHS is asking for 30 round magazines that “have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.”

Republican New York state Sen. Greg Ball also issued a press release this week bringing attention to the weapons purchase request.

Calls made to DHS seeking information regarding whether or not the RFP was accepted and fulfilled were not immediately returned on Saturday.

Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Thursday introduced legislation that would enact a so-called “assault weapons” ban. The bill would ban more than 150 firearms and limit magazines to 10 rounds. There is no expiration date on Feinstein’s bill.

Get all the details on the bill, including a list of firearms that would be banned, here.

Critics of such a ban on semi-automatic rifles are already arguing that the government is showing its hypocrisy by essentially saying they are good “personal defense” for them, but not for American citizens. When civilians own semi-automatic rifles, they somehow become “assault weapons.”

That being said, it is reasonable for the Department of Homeland Security to request these rifles as they are indeed effective personal defense weapons. The agency is tasked with keeping Americans safe from those who wish to do the country harm, and its officials should be equipped with all the tools they need to do so effectively.

But what about Americans who want to keep themselves and their families safe from threats? Is a semi-automatic rifle unacceptable for a civilian’s “personal defense” in his or her home? According to some Democratic lawmakers, like Sen. Feinstein, it appears the answer is yes.

Just last week two students in Rochester, N.Y. scared off a pair of home intruders by simply brandishing an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. One of the students said he believes the weapon saved their lives.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assault; banglist; bias; bloodoftyrants; constitution; democrats; dhs; govtabuse; guncontrol; policestate; secondamendment; tyranny; waronliberty; weapons
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1 posted on 01/27/2013 6:57:30 PM PST by forty_years
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To: forty_years

When guns are outlawed, only the outlaw government will have guns.


2 posted on 01/27/2013 6:58:45 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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3 posted on 01/27/2013 7:01:09 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: beethovenfan

When guns are outlawed, only the outlaw government will have guns.

Which is why our FOUNDING FATHERS PASSED THE SECOND AMENDMENT. They foresaw the Obama-like tyrant over 200 year ago. They fought off King George.

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.

Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

4 posted on 01/27/2013 7:07:00 PM PST by forty_years
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To: forty_years

Are these full-size or short-barreled? I would think that a sub-11” barrel and a 30 round mag would be great for personal defense.


5 posted on 01/27/2013 7:12:31 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

11.5” is minimum. Below that, a lot of the power just gets turned into ear-splitting noise (on top of the fact that a normal-length AR15 is already very loud). Slap a suppressor on a sub-11” barrel and the back pressure becomes destructive; many top suppressor manufacturers will not warranty their cans on such short ARs.

That said, I do think an 11.5” barrel and a 30 round mag of 5.56 is ideal for home defense (to wit room-to-room CQB). Maximum penetration and stopping power balanced with good maneuverability, capacity and mitigated over-penetration.


6 posted on 01/27/2013 7:23:25 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: forty_years

Can you BELIEVE that the liberals are SO blind that they turn to the right, and say, “NO ONE needs an assault weapon for personal defense....”....

And they turn to the left, and say, “Homeland Defense needs assault weapons FOR PERSONAL DEFENSE because they are the best weapons for close-in situations”!!!!!!

The hypocrisy of the Marxists becomes more blatant every day.....


7 posted on 01/27/2013 7:28:08 PM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“A personal defense weapon (PDW) is a compact semi-automatic or fully automatic firearm similar in most respects to a submachine gun, but firing a (often proprietary) rifle round, giving a PDW better range, accuracy and armor-penetrating capability than submachine guns, which fire pistol-caliber cartridges. The class of weapon as it exists today evolved as a hybrid between a submachine gun and a carbine, retaining the compact size and ammunition capacity of the former while adding the ammunition power, accuracy and penetration of the latter.”

Silly rabbits—mere citizens can’t be trusted with such nifty weapons: PDW’s!
Only hired hands of government alphabet-soup agencies that sound like something Orwell would dream up, if he reported to Heinrich Himmler circa 1940, are qualified to handle them.
(Naming contest, 2nd Place: Department of Fatherland Schutzstaffel)


8 posted on 01/27/2013 7:30:14 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: forty_years

Not to quibble over language, but liberals in Congress have won and we’ve lost the battle of language to the idiots creating their own vocabulary to enhance their personal power. (See “doublespeak” as in Orwell’s 1984).

“also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. (snip) DHS is asking for the 7,000 “select-fire” firearms because they are “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters.” The term select-fire means the weapon can be both semi-automatic and automatic. Civilians are prohibited from obtaining these kinds of weapons.”

“Assault Weapon” is a legal term created by congress that has no relationship to an assault RIFLE which is a selective fire (selective between fully automatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle. Military weapons are NOT the same as the US legal term assault weapons.

So we have a federal law enforcement agency, operating domestically, who will have weapons that its citizenry has been prohibited from owning and is in the process of disarming the closest, semi-automatic weapons that can be used against a tyrannical government.

Sounds like a case being made for the 2nd amendment.


9 posted on 01/27/2013 7:33:01 PM PST by Optimist
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To: forty_years

The president is building an army that will not be restrained by the Posse Comitatus act.


10 posted on 01/27/2013 7:36:22 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: forty_years

Why? So they’ll have them and you won’t...


11 posted on 01/27/2013 8:02:13 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: forty_years

Let’s see if anyone goes Ronnie Barrett on them...


12 posted on 01/27/2013 8:23:27 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: forty_years

WHY DOES DHS WANT TO BUY 7,000 OF THEM FOR ‘PERSONAL DEFENSE’?


Thats easy.. to use to intimidate a public that only has pistols.. or nothing..
Could be a good time for a black market in guns and ammo to organize..


13 posted on 01/27/2013 8:31:13 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: forty_years

As a civilian you cannot purchase an “assault” weapon. Get it right America.


14 posted on 01/27/2013 8:36:09 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The president is building an army that will not be restrained by the Posse Comitatus act.

Which is why it is so critical for people to get an idea of who their neighbors are and what they do for a living. If you think you've got LEO or alphabet agency people in the neighborhood, make an effort to identify and get to know them. Some are patriotic, genuinely great people and good to know for that reason alone, and some bear watching for other reasons.
15 posted on 01/27/2013 8:52:29 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: forty_years

companies producing these weapons should not sell to any agencies promoting the infringement of the 2nd amendment. customers of these companies should also encourage these companies to avoid selling to any govt agency, or security agencies providing services to such agencies.

if they want a gun free America... then let them have one


16 posted on 01/27/2013 9:06:53 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: forty_years

BFL


17 posted on 01/27/2013 9:14:43 PM PST by ssschev (Pick up the can, throw out the trash.)
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To: tumblindice
Silly rabbits—mere citizens can’t be trusted with such nifty weapons: PDW’s! Only hired hands of government alphabet-soup agencies that sound like something Orwell would dream up, if he reported to Heinrich Himmler circa 1940, are qualified to handle them.

Edward Abbey:

"The tank, the B-52, the fighter-bomber, the state controlled police and the military are the weapons of dictatorship. The rifle is the weapon of democracy .... If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government - and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws."

18 posted on 01/27/2013 9:20:04 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: hosepipe

You are not asking the right question, which is, WHO within DHS is going to get these weapons? Secretaries, drivers, intelligence analysts, etc?

Which DHS agents are authorized to carry weapons? Just generic titles, such as Field Agents, Building Security, Protective personnel (i.e. armed escorts), etc.

Does the DHS have personnel who need weapons for protection in their work? Yes or no. If yes, who (by title)? It’s that simple.

Surprisingly, some people who are field agents for, say, Dept. of Agriculture, Interior, Park Service, Bureau of Land Management, IRS, etc. do carry sidearms for protection from wild animals, drug farmers/traffickers, etc.

That is a legitimate reason to arm them.

The last thing I want is for Janet Napolitano to carry a weapon. Let her bodyguards (poor job description if I say so myself) carry them.

If there is a legitimate need for DHS personnel to carry firearms, just state it clearly. No one would object. However, if it is to create a new type of armed DHS presence, then we should know about it now.

[In the alternative, why can’t plain civilians also have a need to legally carry a weapon without being branded nuts and mass murderers in waiting? Walking some of the streets of our Democratic controlled cities is more dangerous than being a cop].

Trust me on this. I know what I’m asking about.


19 posted on 01/27/2013 11:13:27 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: forty_years

Time to reverse the 1968 Gun Control Act. Let the People have some of those Personal Defense Weapons.


20 posted on 01/28/2013 4:29:16 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: forty_years

FReepers, this is what just went to my Congressional reps:

I am reading on Fox News that Department of Homeland Security is ordering 7000 MACHINE GUNS for use against the American people. A MACHINE GUN is defined as a weapon capable of fully automatic fire. And Obama wants to keep semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of the American people? This arming of the government for use against American citizens is exactly why the Founders crafted the Second Amendment, and I encourage you to defund this request from Homeland Security and resist any attempt by the Obama Administration to erode our God-given, not government given right to defend ourselves against tyranny.


21 posted on 01/28/2013 5:37:37 AM PST by patriotsblood
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To: patriotsblood
patriotsblood:
this is what just went to my Congressional reps

Good for you. The only way to stop this anti-gun foolishness is to bombard our elected reps with emails, letters, faxes, and phone calls.

I've set up a page that provides all the info, like TRUTH about "assault" weapons, finding your reps' contact info, and links to contact them here.

TAKE ACTION NOW TO PROTECT GUN RIGHTS

22 posted on 01/28/2013 6:47:26 AM PST by forty_years
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To: forty_years
If you want to contact your reps from here... Write a polite and factual letter to the president and each of your elected representatives in Washington. Keep it short and sweet and to the point (e.g., "I urge you to oppose Sen. Feinstein's gun control legislation" and/or "why is the Dept. of Homeland Security buying 'assault' weapons for 'personal security' yet denying good citizens the same right?"). State the facts. Follow up by calling each of your elected reps, making a short statement emphasizing what you composed in your letter. Using any/all of the following links, you'll find the resources you need to:

You can also find contact information for all your elected representatives by clicking on these links:


23 posted on 01/28/2013 6:54:36 AM PST by forty_years
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To: 1010RD
Time to reverse the 1968 Gun Control Act. Let the People have some of those Personal Defense Weapons.

Easier than that: Write your congress critters and say the following:

"In order to create more manufacturing jobs and show the support for the 2nd Amendment, I urge you to insert a repeal of 18 USC 922(o) as either a stand alone law, or an amendment to any future legislation". Thank you!

24 posted on 01/28/2013 7:11:00 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Look for the UNION label.....then buy something else!)
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To: forty_years

Bumped


25 posted on 01/28/2013 7:22:48 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: forty_years
Why? Because...


26 posted on 01/28/2013 9:01:49 AM PST by Peet (TurboTax: "So simple even a Secretary of the Treasury can run it!")
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