Skip to comments.Absolute proof that women can not compete with menin the Infantry or Special Forces
Posted on 01/26/2013 2:34:33 PM PST by NKP_Vet
Since delusional liberals think that there is no difference in men and women, that women can do anything a man can do, and they want them in the army infantry, Navy Seals and other Special Forces, here is what REAL EQUALITY is........
The NFL will now be 50% females, at all positions.
The WNBA will be abolished, women will have to play in the NBA.
The NHL will be 50% female. They will play with men.
Professional boxing will be for both men and women.
The MMA (extreme fighting) will be for men and women, they fight each other.
All professional FEMALE teams will be abolished and they will be either compete against men, or go they will not compete in professional sports.
Let me be the first to say there is a reason why women and men do not compete in this contact sports. Women would get killed without anyone shooting at them. No women could compete in any of these sports.
Let me also say that Navy Seal training and Army Ranger training is harder and tougher than any of the above mentioned sports. But for some reason there are liberals that actually think women could compete the special forces training and be the same as their male counterparts. What planet do these people live on?
I have just given any liberal that can think straight the reason why WOMEN CAN NOT BE IN ARMY INFANTRY OR ANY OF THE SPECIAL FORCES. It's called a very fast death.
Two infantry soldiers are in a fox hole - a 190 pound man and a 125 pound woman. The man gets hurt and she needs to help him. Throw him over her shoulder and carry him a mile for help. Don’t think so.
Nice socio experiment. Can America stand seeing their daughters and wives killed, mutilated and what not? To satisfy the nags?
The fools pushing this don’t have a clue about what they’re demanding.
All one has to do is look at either Olympic or World records in Track and Field.
In many events a very good High School boy can beat the Women’s world record.
Some of the events are purposely skewed to make women look better. For instance women use a lighter shot, they run a 100 meter High Hurdles but men run 110 meters over higher hurdles.
In any event requiring speed, strength or power, they are not even close.
A 120 pound woman has the equivalent strength of a 8th grade boy. So we are sending 13 year olds into combat?
Rest assured the standards will be lowered and the public will not be told. I understand that the tests to be a pilot were lowered and at least two women have already died.
In addition, unit cohesion will be destroyed by a "diverse military." A diverse military becomes beholden only to their Imperial benefactor for their pay and perks.(The Roman legion comes to mind.) Our soldiers will become little isolated atoms easily destroyed by a non-diverse military. One can rely on technology only so far. Further the loyalty of a "diverse" military will be to the one creating them not to the constitution. In short, Caesarism. A side effect will be ease in shooting the Amercian civilian population.
The problem will be little better in Armor than in Infantry. I spent 3-1/2 years as an Armor officer in a tank unit back in the late 70s, then spent another 17 years in the Army Reserve. Being an Armor crewman is a physically demanding job. Just riding around in a tank is not the entire job. As an example, to load ammunition into an M-60 tank, you had to have one crewman on the ground lifting each round as a dead weight from the ground over his head to hand it to another crewman who was squatting on the side of the tank. That crewman then had to stand and lift the round over his head and hand it to a third crewman in the turret, who had to stoop down and put it in the rack. Not a job for weaklings.
Then there was changing a track - a job for four strong men.
Are there women who could do this? Probably. But there aren’t many.
This doesn’t even begin to address the pysical demands of being in the field (not to mention combat) for weeks at a time. Men begin to break down, even when physically conditioned.
Again, are there women who can stand up to this? Probably, but not enough to make a difference.
The only way this will work is if they lower the standards - and that is what they are going to do. Some poor tank crew is going to be saddled with a woman, who will stand “guard” while they do the heavy lifting. Then when they get shipped into combat, she will either physically break down, get pregnant, mentally break down, or some other variant. It happens to men (except the pregnant part, of course), but will happen to women quicker.
This isn’t to say that women don’t belong in the military. I served with many women who were terrific soldiers - but not in Infantry, not Armor and definitely not Special Forces.
Our military is getting weaker by the day.
Thanks to all of you who felt they had to not vote or vote third party - you are part of the problem.
“A 120 pound woman has the equivalent strength of a 8th grade boy. So we are sending 13 year olds into combat?”
Well, no. The 13 year old would have a “teenager” attitude whereas the 120 woman in the combat unit would have a Demi Moore attitude.
I’d take the teenager...
Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday that with women now eligible to fill combat roles in the military, commanders must justify why any woman might be excluded and, if women cant meet any units standard, the Pentagon will ask: Does it really have to be that high?
For every one female that deserves a place at the tip of the spear there are probably a couple of thousand who dont. They will be allowed to slide and when the lead starts flying they will be sacrificed on the altar of Progressiveness. That means there are thousands of little girls growing up right now who are being sentenced to rape, mutilation and death by this line of reasoning. Its not their fault but because of their genes they dont stand a snowballs chance in Hell in combat. Lying about it changes nothing.
Hug your daughters and granddaughters.
“A 120 pound woman has the equivalent strength of a 8th grade boy. So we are sending 13 year olds into combat?”
Well, no. The 13 year old would have a “teenager” attitude whereas the 120lb woman in the combat unit would have a Demi Moore attitude.
I’d take the teenager...
It does make women feel equal and more likely to vote Democrat. Mission accomplished.
Pray for America
DOH! slipped out as I caught the “lb”.
Can’t wait for the Army, Navy, and USAF academy football teams to go 50% female - if woman cant make the Academy football teams than maybe the standards are just too hhigh and need to be lowered
I’m sure the Pentagon 4-stars can figure out the locker room privacy issues
The way the Falcons played this year it might be an improvement. :)
The problem is not the potential for women to perform well in war, but the mixing.
Sun Tzu, the ancient expert on war, was asked this question if women could perform as well as men in war if properly trained, and he answered in the affirmative.
In the 1890s one-third of the army of Dahomey, today Benin, were females, actually elite troops. They fought two wars against France and the Legionnaires who opposed them had high praise for the female troops, both their courage and skill.
But mixing is another story entirely.
“The fools pushing this dont have a clue about what theyre demanding.”
But they do, the further destruction of the military plus possibly a few volunteers that would like the opportunity to fire on American citizens.
Ryan Smith: The Reality That Awaits Women in Combat
America has been creeping closer and closer to allowing women in combat, so Wednesday’s news that the decision has now been made is not a surprise. It appears that female soldiers will be allowed on the battlefield but not in the infantry. Yet it is a distinction without much difference: Infantry units serve side-by-side in combat with artillery, engineers, drivers, medics and others who will likely now include women. The Pentagon would do well to consider realities of life in combat as it pushes to mix men and women on the battlefield.
Many articles have been written regarding the relative strength of women and the possible effects on morale of introducing women into all-male units. Less attention has been paid to another aspect: the absolutely dreadful conditions under which grunts live during war.
Most people seem to believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have merely involved driving out of a forward operating base, patrolling the streets, maybe getting in a quick firefight, and then returning to the forward operating base and its separate shower facilities and chow hall. The reality of modern infantry combat, at least the portion I saw, bore little resemblance to this sanitized view.
I served in the 2003 invasion of Iraq as a Marine infantry squad leader. We rode into war crammed in the back of amphibious assault vehicles. They are designed to hold roughly 15 Marines snugly; due to maintenance issues, by the end of the invasion we had as many as 25 men stuffed into the back. Marines were forced to sit, in full gear, on each other’s laps and in contorted positions for hours on end. That was the least of our problems.
The invasion was a blitzkrieg. The goal was to move as fast to Baghdad as possible. The column would not stop for a lance corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, or even a company commander to go to the restroom. Sometimes we spent over 48 hours on the move without exiting the vehicles. We were forced to urinate in empty water bottles inches from our comrades.
Many Marines developed dysentery from the complete lack of sanitary conditions. When an uncontrollable urge hit a Marine, he would be forced to stand, as best he could, hold an MRE bag up to his rear, and defecate inches from his seated comrade’s face.
During the invasion, we wore chemical protective suits because of the fear of chemical or biological weapon attack. These are equivalent to a ski jumpsuit and hold in the heat. We also had to wear black rubber boots over our desert boots. On the occasions the column did stop, we would quickly peel off our rubber boots, desert boots and socks to let our feet air out.
Due to the heat and sweat, layers of our skin would peel off our feet. However, we rarely had time to remove our suits or perform even the most basic hygiene. We quickly developed sores on our bodies.
When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers.
Yes, a woman is as capable as a man of pulling a trigger. But the goal of our nation’s military is to fight and win wars. Before taking the drastic step of allowing women to serve in combat units, has the government considered whether introducing women into the above-described situation would have made my unit more or less combat effective?
Societal norms are a reality, and their maintenance is important to most members of a society. It is humiliating enough to relieve yourself in front of your male comrades; one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex.
Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position. Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.
“Can America stand seeing their daughters and wives killed, mutilated and what not? “
I can imagine that married women in the testosterone corps having to strip nekkid and the joy she will give her hubby when she describes this activity to him.
He will be so proud!!!.
Libs are sooooo blind.
Understand, this woman is an outstanding officer and a tough, proven leader. From the mental-toughness perspective, I would have no issue serving in combat with her, but she's not even in the neighborhood when it comes to the necessary physical strength and that's a no-go.
I suspect there are very effective applications
for women in the Special Services.
I just don't see front line combat being one of them
I understand the Israelis see this differently
The announcement I heard the other day (which could certainly be wrong) was the the inclusion of women did not include Special Forces and similar units.
Everyone is missing the point. This is about the left implementing more of their complete destruction of the US military. It is that simple. They will not stop with their tinkering until we make the mexican army look like a world super power.
Agreed. Women have no place wearing a uniform, being cops, ordering people around. no I am not a hundred years old, I’m a child of the 80s in fact. Seeing a woman wearing body armour is weird. It’s just so.. masculine. I also read about the unprecedented number of sexual assaults in the armed forces. It SHOULD be men only. I also read a very interesting report by a high ranking member of the US forces that the only time he’s seen a person fall HEAD FIRST down a ladder was a homosexual. He said- and I quote “the gays are the most clumsy, worthless group I’ve ever had the displeasure of leading”. I bet if you ask any member of our military what they honestly think about gay troops you’ll get a similar response. Personally, I am very anti-war period, and I do believe our soldiers were sent to war as a sort of blood sacrifice as some sort of sinister plot. If Israel wants war so badly, send THEIR guys over! Not ours. Our men have been brainwashed into this bizarre untruthful idea that we are being “attacked” and “must fight for democracy” along with other jingoistic buzz words that just don’t make any sense.
You’re right, about 99% of the time a woman soldier is not going to have the strength of a man, which is vital. And I don’t even like the thought or term of ‘woman soldier’.
I can see a few exceptional cases where having highly trained women of Muslim or Arab descent could be useful for infiltrating different environments, largely for information. But that doesn’t mean they should be tossed in willy-nilly with regular male special forces.
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Like they said in 2003: Mr. President, send your daughters first.
That's a given ... no way, with very few exceptions, could a women pass the physical demands of special operations units as they currently stand. It would be the equivalent of a women making it in the NFL, NHL, or NBA ... can't happen unless the standards are lowered.
It's interesting how all this BS got started with Slick Willie (draft dodger), 'O' bummer with no military experience (his draft registration like many other documents appears to fraudulent) and Panetta with two years stateside duty in Army intelligence nearly 50 years ago.
So you swim across naked, pushing the raft, then shake off the water and dry yourself down with your hands and the tops of your socks, then dress very fast.
In subfreezind weather, bare ass naked, just after emerging from a freezing cold lake or river.
I'd like to see some girls....never mind.
Not a good idea.
In Football they call this “Sending in the second string”. (and the first string is just fine!! WTF !!)
A point that bears mentioning here is that whether or not women can compete with men in the regular combat military or the Special Ops forces is totally irrelevant. The stated justification for women in combat is to help grease the path to flag rank, so women can share equally in power. That’s the end game, equality of power.
Any means that furthers that goal is fair game. If it means abandoning standards for the general military, and even abandoning qualification standards for admission to the SEAL, SF, or Delta communities, then it will be done. Actual combat doesn’t really matter, just getting the combat ticket punched as one more step on the road to flag rank. We’ll live in a world of female admirals and generals, combat tickets punched, who know nothing of combat. But that won’t matter. This is the revenge of Hillary and Pat Schroeder on men for the sin of existing.
Nearly 3000 were killed on US soil by Islamic terrorist on 9/11/2001. That is many more than died on December 7, 1941 as a result of the Japanese sneak attack at Pearl Harbor ... the following day FDR declared war on both Japan and Germany.
Liberals seem to think that everybody is exactly equal, and that differences are due to discrimination.
But they are the first to squawk when someone suggests mixed-sex teams (except in bowling).
Liberals will never get their heads around this idea, but there are differences, and those differences are good. People have different abilities and talents, so that they can complement each other.
Someone once told me a female paratroop would whistle on the way down......
If the president and the Pentagon want women in combat then the they should also make women subject to the draft, just like young men. Just like men, no registration would mean no student loans, no government employment, as well as the potential for fines and jail time. Now that would be equality.
Yes ! Exactly!
In the Summer of 1976, my Special Forces A Team (ODA- 222, 10th Special Forces Group) was tasked to give Summer Training at West Point for the Cadet Class of 1979 (Yearlings) who had just finished their first year at the Academy. The class was broken down into eleven man squads and Squad Leaders were designated by class standing.
The course we taught was a basic RECONDO course that involved two weeks of patrolling in West Points heavily forested and mountainous Field Training Area. The skills we taught were basic map reading, land navigation, field-craft, basic patrolling techniques, raids, ambushes, etc. etc. For many of these Cadets, this was the first time they had ever been required to live in the woods, sleep on the ground, prepare and eat C-Rations, shave and bathe in the local streams, toilet whenever and where ever necessary and use field sanitation techniques we taught. None of them had ever before had to move through the forest at night and during inclement weather, and just to add to their experience, Hurricane Belle (a Class 1 Hurricane) turned and went straight up the Hudson River in July 1976.
Even after all the training I’ve provided to soldiers over my twenty-six years in U.S. Army Special Forces, I still clearly remember that Summer of 1976 simply because that was the year that females were permitted entry into the U.S. Army Military Academy at West Point and our Summer Training was being used to determine what problems, if any, these female Cadets would encounter during the following years Summer Training. In order to find and address any problems these female Cadets might encounter during the Summer Training of 1977, the Army brought in twelve volunteer female soldiers (Known as WACs at that time) from throughout the U.S. Army to fill in the twelfth position in the Cadet squads. I dont know what the selection criteria was for these WACs, but whatever criteria it was, it produced twelve high quality young female soldiers who very quickly assumed leadership of the Cadet squads.
My team was made up entirely of Vietnam Veterans and we thought we had seen it all, but we had never seen anything like that. The difference between these WACs and the Cadets was startling, as the WACs had obviously been selected for their physical toughness, motivation, and aggressiveness, and the Cadets were there simply because they had been politically appointed to the Academy. This experience also reaffirmed my faith in God, as only Devine Intervention could possibly transform those Cadets in three more years from sniveling cry babies into Second Lieutenants and leaders of men. It also proved to me, and everyone there that Summer of 1976, if realistic standards are applied, there are female soldiers out there who can be just as good at soldiering as their male counterparts, and maybe even better.
There may not be many females out there who can meet the required standards to be combat infantrymen, and probably even fewer who would even want to. However, even if there are a few females out there who can meet the standards to be a combat infantryman and think they might want to try it, would their addition to a combat unit improve the combat effectiveness of the unit, or would it detract from its combat effectiveness?
Never forget that we keep a military not as a social experiment but for the sole purpose of closing with and destroying the enemy, and war is played for keeps; the loser ceases to exist.
How many days before the testicles come home to the sack? :-)
On another thread last night, I pointed out that the Soviets had this same brain fart in the early days of WWII.
Marxism and some such nonsense about ‘equality’.
When the bodies started to pile up, they did the commie pig thing: say nothing, just very quietly “phase out” the stupid policy and pretend it ‘never existed’.
I’m confused, why is she a “troll” or a “fool?”
Please explain yourself!
In the entire history of humans, what nations have tried this cute little social experiment and are still around to set an example of how it’s done and why it works?
However, even if there are a few females out there who can meet the standards to be a combat infantryman and think they might want to try it, would their addition to a combat unit improve the combat effectiveness of the unit, or would it detract from its combat effectiveness?
Why do we need to find out? It seems we know the answer. Your "story" not withstanding.
There are some areas in which some women will do surprisingly well. They are capable of hard work and endurance. they can also be fierce when protecting their children.
On the other hand, they are not capable of competing with men in areas which require brute strength, or power. They cannot chuck heavy rocks or throw javelins (in modern times hand grenades) They cannot carry really heavy loads etc.
I will say every now and then you run into one who will surprise you. In 1966 I was riding a bus to a job in the N.C. mountains and discovered two girls were going to the same place. One of them was a strikingly pretty blonde. I later found out that she had grown up on a farm with 5 sisters, not very far from where I live.
Several days after we got to the Summer retreat, she and I were on a fairly short hike up one of the nearby mountains. I had told her that I could run really fast. To my surprise she challenged me to a foot race of about 100 yards.
Now I knew I could beat her as I could beat the women’s world record in the 100. I decided I would just stride along side of her then pull ahead near the finish line. When we started, she took off like a rocket. I immediately fell behind and had to run as fast as I could to catch then pass her.
As I said, sometimes they can surprise you. BTW she was later crowned queen of our staff of around 450 college students.
Why do liberals think that women are just guys with different plumbing?
You think Israel, surrounded as it is by hordes of bloodthirsty, Jew-hating Muslim savages, is the aggressor? REALLY?
BTW good post.
Agree....once you put males and females together you have all the social training come to the fore...men protecting women, the sexual dynamics, the years of “modesty” with the other sex...etc.
The physical requirements and mental issues are irrelevant becuase SOME women could meet those..its the social and psychological issues that are key.
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