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SL Tribune editorial: LEOs need ability to kill large #s of people
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | January 24, 2013 | Salt Lake Tribune editorial

Posted on 01/25/2013 2:05:02 PM PST by kiryandil

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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Problem is most of Obamas cabinet and people that are supporting this are Jewish communists.”

I’ll tell you right up front, EQAndyBuzz, that we have a small contingent of leftist infiltrators here on FR - long time commie sleepers - who will accuse you of anti-semitism if you point to any Jewish gun-grabber, such as Feinstein, as being a commie or a Nazi.

They’re using political correctness to blunt any criticism of certain high-profile individuals in this administration who are advocating gun control and the murder of conservatives.

We need to recognize the enemy, who they are and their associations.


41 posted on 01/25/2013 3:55:56 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"The ruling libtards are afraid. They want to disarm us because they are going to do things that are grossly unconstitutional and they don’t want people to rightly revolt and remove them from office for most likely treason and more heinous unconstitutional legislation."

Exactly so. The tell is the actions of Obama and friends in the wake of Manuel Zelaya's attempt to overthrow the Honduran Constitution, and his subsequent (constitutional) removal and exile.

42 posted on 01/25/2013 4:00:42 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: duffee

Please do, and if you find more to add let me know so we can keep that list growing.


43 posted on 01/25/2013 4:19:33 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: duffee
Here are more quotes:

Joe Biden
Vice President of the United States

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.", 18 November 1993, as U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, Associated Press interview

Nelson "Pete" Shields III, known as "Peter Shields"
Founder of Handgun Control, Inc., now the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

"We'll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily ... given the political realities ... very modest. We'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law and again and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is going to take time. The first problem is to make possession of all handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions) totally illegal.", 26 June 1976, New Yorker Magazine

" Our ultimate goal - total control of all guns- is going to take time ... The final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition - except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs and licensed gun collectors - totally illegal.", 26 July 1976, New Yorker Magazine

"We're going to have to take this one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily - given the political realities - going to be very modest. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal- total control of handguns in the United States- is going to take time...The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced...The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of handguns and all handgun ammunition- except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors- totally illegal.", 26 July 1976 New Yorker Magazine

Sarah Brady
Chairman, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, formerly Handgun Control, Inc. & Wife of James "Jim" Brady

"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough.", 1 July 1988

"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.", January 1994, In a letter to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator.

"We must get rid of all the guns.", September 1994, Phil Donahue Show Interview

"There is no personal right to be armed for private purposes unrelated to the service in a well regulated militia.", 6 June 1997, Richmond Times-Dispatch

"I don't believe gun owners have rights.", October 1997, "Handguns in America", Hearst Newspapers Special Report

"I believe that the interpretation of the second amendment does not necessarily give every individual the right to keep and bear arms. However, I, personally, am not against the ability for any law abiding person to keep and bear arms for legitimate purposes.", 9 February 2001, ABC News Interview

James Brady
Board Member, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, formerly Handgun Control, Inc. & Husband of Sara Brady

"It is not a loss of freedom. It's a measure to protect it.", 21 March 1991, On gun control, congressional testimony.

"I just believed that what I was doing was right. I told the NRA (National Rifle Association) I would make it my life's ambition to see you all don't exist anymore and I will do this until I put them out of business. That keeps me going when I have to deal with rude people.", 21 May 1994, Hartford Courant

"For target shooting, that's okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that's why we have police departments.", 26 June 1994, Parade Magazine Article

Diane Finestein
United States Senator, Liberal Democrat, California

"And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.", 27 April 1995, C-Span

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.", 18 November 1993, Associated Press

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in,' I would have done it.", 5 February 1995, CBS, 60 Minutes, Interview

Janet Reno
United States Attorney General, Clinton Administration 1993-2001 Dade County Florida State Attorney

"The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to outlaw the possession of any type of firearm by the civilian populace.", 1991, Speech to B'nai B'rith, Ft. Lauderdale FL Gathering

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.", December 1993

"Gun registration is not enough.", 10 December 1993, Good Morning America Interview

Howard Metzenbaum
United States Senator, Liberal Democrat, Ohio

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns.", 1993, Brady Bill Debate

Charles Schumer
United States Senator, Liberal Democrat, New York

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!", 8 December 1993, NBC Interview

Michael K. Beard
President of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

"Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun. In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and regulation. Ultimately, that may mean it would require court approval to buy a handgun.", 6 December 1993, Washington Times

Mary Ann Carlson
Vermont State Senator

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. .If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."

Charles Krauthammer
Washington Post, writer

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea ... Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.", 5 April 1996, Washington Post

Jose Cerda
President Clinton White House Official, Specializing in gun control

"We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns [to ban]", 22 October 1997, Los Angeles Times

Mel Reynolds
U.S. House of representative, from Illinois, Liberal Democrat

"If it were up to me we'd ban them all [firearms].", 9 December 1993, CNN Crossfire

Carl Rowan
Washington Post, writer

"We must reverse this psychology (of needing guns for home defense). WE can do it by passing a law that says anyone found in possession a a handgun except a legitimate officer of the law goes to jail- period!", 1981, Washington DC Syndicated Columnist

"A complete and universal federal ban on the sale, manufacture, importation and possession of handguns…”, 1985, Washington Post Article.

Note: Rowan in 1988 was arrested and tried for shooting a teenager skinny dipping in his pool that he shot with an unregistered .22 caliber pistol.

John H. Chafee
RINO Senator from Rhode Island.

“I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs). . . . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!”, 15 June 1992, Minneapolis Star Tribune

Warren Burger
Former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice

"If I were writing the Bill of Rights now there wouldn't be any such thing as the Second Amendment... This has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word 'fraud', on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies - the militia - would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kink of weapon he or she desires.", 14 January 1990, Parade Magazine

44 posted on 01/25/2013 4:20:15 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: kiryandil
SL Tribune editorial: LEOs need ability to kill large #s of people

They killed something like 76 at Waco. Is that what the author has in mind?

45 posted on 01/25/2013 4:22:22 PM PST by GingisK
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To: sergeantdave

Let them accuse me. I am Jewish, so using the lefts criteria for who can say what about whom, I am immune from criticism by the Jewish gun grabbers.


46 posted on 01/25/2013 4:36:21 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: CodeToad

Thanks for quoting Mel Reynolds! It’s like winning the Lotto!


47 posted on 01/25/2013 4:47:12 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Travis McGee

Travis, One might say yes to the following situations:

1) The only need for civilian ownership of firearms is for hunting

2) The left is afraid of the right and therefore wishes to limit their legal right to own certain firearms

3) A socialist government has the responsibility to restrict the ownership of firearms to maintain public order and saftey

4) There is no need for the average citizen to own firearms in a socialist state.

As a country we have seen the socialist’s ever creeping agenda with respect to civilian firearms ownership since the 1930s. The socialists have never told the truth about their true agenda when it comes to civilian firearms ownership and they never will.

However, the socialists in U.S. must feel that they are fairly close to achieving their primary goal. Their primary goal being suspension of the U.S. Constitution and the establishment of a socialist state. The obvious reason for government control of civilian firearms ownership is the prevention of resistance to a socialist coup d’etat. No other reason truthfully exists.


48 posted on 01/25/2013 4:48:41 PM PST by .44 Special (Taimid Buarch)
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To: GOPJ

Gun Laws and the Fools of Chelm†
Jan 29, 2013 12:00 AM EST

The individual is not only best qualified to provide his own personal defense, he is the only one qualified to do so. By David Mamet.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/01/28/gun-laws-and-the-fools-of-chelm-by-david-mamet.html


49 posted on 01/25/2013 6:22:08 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: kiryandil

Bookmark.


50 posted on 01/25/2013 6:35:25 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: kiryandil

Bookmark.


51 posted on 01/25/2013 6:35:45 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: sergeantdave

‘The world is in fact so broken, why are you all so upset worrying about the next maniacal individual? What is a certainty is the fact that all the individual criminals and maniacs the world has ever known have not come close, could never come close, to racking up a death toll anywhere near any of the totalitarian regimes of the last century.
They murdered, under color of authority, over 150 million of their own subjects. And countless billions were left living in fear and slavery and squalor as a consequence. How much less effective would those murdering regimes had been had their subjects been privately armed as are Americans?

George Will


52 posted on 01/25/2013 7:34:17 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Tublecane

“Besides, Miller was bogus.”

I agree yet in recent past years the antis have quoted parts of Miller as justification for their positions.

The “military style” arguement now prevailing in the anti rhetoric is equally bogus given the intent of the Framers to preserve the people’s right to overthrow a government’s tyranny.

The Kentucky and Pennsylvania rifles common to the general population were superior to the military muskets of the day. To assert that the people should be restricted to inferior weapons than the government is equally bogus.


53 posted on 01/25/2013 8:06:25 PM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: CodeToad

BTTT....thank you for that list!!!


54 posted on 01/25/2013 8:14:08 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: .44 Special

Of course, yes.


55 posted on 01/26/2013 4:44:13 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: kiryandil
The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a mere statistic... Joseph Stalin
56 posted on 01/26/2013 7:06:50 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: dirtboy

“...along with DiFi’s gun-grabbing bill ...”

If she succeeds then she will soon have to write a follow-on bill covering pitchforks, baseball bats, hairspray & potatoes, etc.

Spud Gun Bullet thru Car Fender http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP8oCvacvAg

Weekend Project: Potato Gatling Gun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHUyKrJeNv0

Wait until “those bitter clingers” in “Flyover Country” start bringing out the heavy artillery.

Punkin Chunkin 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWjHlU5rGiY

Watch for Background Checks and a Waiting Period at the Produce aisle next.


57 posted on 01/26/2013 7:15:58 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Tublecane

“There is call for police to be slightly more heavily armed than civilians.” - TC

Not even close - It is the citizenry that is responsible for keeping the security of the free state. Keeping it free from enemies of the constitution both foreign and domestic. These enemies are like to have full-auto battle rifles, tanks, fighter planes, and helicopters.


58 posted on 01/26/2013 7:59:22 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: onyx

Well written.


59 posted on 01/26/2013 2:42:48 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Tublecane; Political Junkie Too
There is call for police to be slightly more heavily armed than civilians.

Not according to Alexander Hamilton (he got this one right). His retort from Federalist #29:


...if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.

(hat tip to PJ)

60 posted on 01/26/2013 2:52:54 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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