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Holder begins gun-control push
The Hill ^ | 1/25/2013 | Megan R. Wilson

Posted on 01/25/2013 10:28:34 AM PST by xtinct

The Justice Department is taking the first steps toward carrying out President Obama’s executive actions on gun control.

Attorney General Eric Holder on Friday released three proposals to strengthen the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which was one of the 23 actions ordered by Obama last week to tackle gun violence.

The proposed regulations would give local law-enforcement agencies access to the gun-sale database that is maintained by the FBI. The rules would also preserve records of denied weapons sales indefinitely.

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KEYWORDS: 113th; agenda; banglist; bho44; bhodoj; domesticenemy; fastanddeliberate; fastandfurious; guncontrol; holder; rkba; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/25/2013 10:28:40 AM PST by xtinct
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To: xtinct

“gun-sale database that is maintained by the FBI”

WTF does THAT mean?

Record of Denials only?


2 posted on 01/25/2013 10:32:27 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: xtinct

Begins, Begins....

He has been doing it his entire career, except of course when sending guns to mexico...


3 posted on 01/25/2013 10:32:34 AM PST by GraceG
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To: xtinct

It will not stop. They will “try” to take your Guns, It is time....

Molon Labe

When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty - Thomas Jefferson


4 posted on 01/25/2013 10:32:56 AM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416)
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To: xtinct

Where is the instant database to check for illegals?


5 posted on 01/25/2013 10:39:15 AM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: xtinct
The proposed regulations would give local law-enforcement agencies access to the gun-sale database that is maintained by the FBI. The rules would also preserve records of denied weapons sales indefinitely.

If I recall correctly, the above statement means that the so called "justice department" is in violation of federal law by keeping such records. The FOPA of 1986 specifically OUTLAWED the FBI or any other federal agency from keeping such records.

If they have such a database, the congress needs to subpoena records from that database immediately, and find out who authorized the creation of said ILLEGAL registry of gun owners.

But the Obama regime breaking laws should not really surprise anyone, given the sheer number of laws broken by Obama and his minions since he took office.

Mark

6 posted on 01/25/2013 10:40:02 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: GraceG
He has been doing it his entire career, except of course when sending guns to mexico...

Exactly. I bet these Orders and the steps to follow after the Orders were given have been laid out SINCE Fast and Furious since all of what they are doing now is what they hoped they could have pulled off with the guns flowing to Mexico!
7 posted on 01/25/2013 10:40:28 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: xtinct

Is that the Gun Sale Database from NICs that is expressly forbidden by previous legilsation?


8 posted on 01/25/2013 10:43:13 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: G Larry

I’m just guessing but when ATF goes into a gun store and copies all of the 4473 forms they are permanently saved in a database somewhere along with any pre-sales checks. Surely the ATF wouldn’t be stupid enough to throw all that power away just to comply with the law.

There are probably a lot of holes in the database but everyone would eventually turn up buy buying Ammo, or various parts and accessories with a credit card.

They would just go directly to the credit card company and get their freak on. They don’t need to know you bought an AR-15. They know you bought 5 Magpul magazines and 500rds of .223.


9 posted on 01/25/2013 10:47:21 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: xtinct
So, it starts
10 posted on 01/25/2013 10:49:10 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: MarkL
the congress needs to subpoena records from that database immediately

Good luck with that. I've been melting down the phones of my reps in DC, and they're either not answering or are responding that they are "looking into every option available."

These "representatives" view themselves as law makers. I wouldn't count on them actually enforcing the laws.

The liberals are FRANTIC to get gun control passed, because they know good and damn well that the Obamacare mandates are going to go into full swing in January of 2014, and the amount of civil unrest that will be born from that is going to be absolutely historic.

11 posted on 01/25/2013 10:49:46 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: MarkL
the congress needs to subpoena records from that database immediately

Good luck with that. I've been melting down the phones of my reps in DC, and they're either not answering or are responding that they are "looking into every option available."

These "representatives" view themselves as law makers. I wouldn't count on them actually enforcing the laws.

The liberals are FRANTIC to get gun control passed, because they know good and damn well that the Obamacare mandates are going to go into full swing in January of 2014, and the amount of civil unrest that will be born from that is going to be absolutely historic.

12 posted on 01/25/2013 10:50:13 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: MarkL
...If I recall correctly, the above statement means that the so called "justice department" is in violation of federal law by keeping such records. The FOPA of 1986 specifically OUTLAWED the FBI or any other federal agency from keeping such records...

What Holder is proposing is illegal. Holder is sending the message that he and Obama are above the law.

13 posted on 01/25/2013 10:51:08 AM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: xtinct

So legislative branch is rendered useless.

The Feinstein/Biden show is for distraction only.


14 posted on 01/25/2013 10:52:45 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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Holder's also sending the message that they know who you are, where you are and how to find you. Should Americans consider this a veiled threat?
15 posted on 01/25/2013 10:55:54 AM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: xtinct

whatever happened to these politicians or office holders “defending the constitution of the United States of America?”


16 posted on 01/25/2013 10:56:03 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: xtinct

Sandy Hook is giving these enemies of the Second Amendment the boost they didn’t get from their Fast and Furious plan. They are capitalizing on the death of 20 six-year-olds, much more effective than the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans.

These are evil people.


17 posted on 01/25/2013 10:56:21 AM PST by txrefugee
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18 posted on 01/25/2013 10:58:54 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: EXCH54FE
It will not stop. They will “try” to take your Guns

For those who say registration does not lead to confiscation, I introduce as evidence to the contrary California Assembly Bill 174.

AB 174, as introduced, Bonta. Weapons: grandfather clauses.
Existing law prohibits the possession of various weapons. Under existing law, certain of these bans exempted from their scope weapons that were possessed prior to the ban, if prescribed conditions met, are authorized.
This bill would declare the intent of the Legislature to subsequently amend this bill to include provisions that would end all of those exemptions.
Digest KeyVote: MAJORITY Appropriation: NO Fiscal Committee: NO Local Program: NO

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Bill Text

The people of the State of California do enact as follows:

SECTION 1. Under current law, certain banned weapons are permitted under various “grandfathering in” clauses. It is the intent of the Legislature to subsequently amend this measure to include provisions that would end all of those exemptions.

So all you cats who registered your "assault weapons" back in the day now lose them. And those of you with "bullet buttons," well Leland Yee is grabbing for them with SB 47.

And to all you people in the free states (especially the punks in Rochester NY - you know who you are) who make fun of us, leave California gun owners twisting in the wind and put "NO SALES TO CALIFORNIA!" on your gunbroker ads, even for perfectly legal stuff. What goes around comes around and part of me (a very tiny part) hopes that you enjoy your taste of tyranny. Remember they have an absolute majority in CA and test drive all this crap here before trotting it out on the national stage.

19 posted on 01/25/2013 11:12:05 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: xtinct

Except for firearms given to and/or sold to Mexican drug cartels; unlie merican citizens with their constitutional protections, Holder doesn’t mind at all seeing them provided the very latest.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 11:18:42 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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